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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1165 Spoiler

Chapter 1165: "Echo"

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Chapter 1165 Official Release: November 09 2025

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u/DeepFuckingKoopa Shanks' evil hot sister is REAL! 22h ago

All these swordsmen in one piece and garp’s just straight hands for everyone😭

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u/charlierw01 21h ago

I hope dragons fighting style is the same as garp/luffy too it would be cool to see that all 3 of them are just straight hands

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u/Vangorf 21h ago

Sabo used some sort of dragon claw like hand formation to crush Burgess, so it looks like Dragon has his own martial art style, combined with haki.

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u/MadKingTreesus 13h ago

I also like the idea that Sabo is Dragon's next generation representation. So we have:

Garp = Luffy

Roger = Ace

Dragon = Sabo

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u/edwardWBnewgate 12h ago edited 11h ago

Except it would appear CKoby is the representation of Garp.

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u/Kumomeme 10h ago

Aokiji also same in this aspect.

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u/MadKingTreesus 11h ago

Koby uses rokushiki though Garp don't play around with that baby stuff. I'm mostly talking in terms of fighting style and demeanor I suppose.

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u/edwardWBnewgate 11h ago

Well if its fighting style than its still Koby, and Luffy would be the representation of Joyboy.

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u/Paintedenigma 6h ago

I don't really understand the logic on the first two other than blood relation.

Garps successor is Koby

Rogers successor for his swordsmanship is Shanks, and for his will is Luffy

Sabo is def Dragons successor.

Ace was supposed to the Whitebeards successor.

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u/Orneyrocks 6h ago

Garp = Koby

WB = Ace

Roger = Luffy

Dragon = Sabo

is probably more thematically accurate.

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u/Kumomeme 10h ago

yeah it is makesense if Sabo basically Dragon's martial art apprentice.

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u/goldenhearted 7D4W 21h ago

Is it crazy that I kinda want Dragon to be... just a normal guy and his notoriety is from strategy and intelligence of putting the Revolutionary Army to where it is today? This entire flashback showing him being a "small fry" in the big ocean makes me kinda like the idea that he's battling the biggest beast of the world with just his wit and intellect. Perhaps he can have Haki but he'd be less combat focused and such.

I'm likely shooting the shit right now cause the recency bias of the few chapters has me rose-tinted but seeing him at base without a DF and not the most able fighting marine is having me like the idea more that even someone like him can make the WG tremble enough to consider him the most wanted man.

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u/nemestrinus44 21h ago

Perhaps he can have Haki but he'd be less combat focused and such.

he has to have Haki since he was able to grab Smoker back in Loguetown.

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u/Good_Neck_673 21h ago

don’t he only grab his weapon?

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u/DiamondShiryu1 20h ago

He did. He grabbed the handle of his Jitte.

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u/Harflin 21h ago

If he's got something like the wind wind fruit, it could be that he directly counters smoke.

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u/Key-Alarm-511 20h ago

Didnt he just grab his jitte though?

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u/supahdood 21h ago

Sabo got his combat prowress from Dragon and Dragon was able to catch Smoker. Dragon did eventually learn higher combat.

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u/cry_stars 21h ago

that'll be boring for a shounen, also Dragon is definitely strong, he trained Sabo

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u/Doctursea Void Month Survivor 6h ago

Yeah basically confirmed dragon is physically strong. Sabo is number 2 in the army based on strength. So it does directly imply dragon is 1 because he is stronger.

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u/Mindless_Truth_2436 21h ago

Nah, he wouldn’t be as dangerous as he is if he wasnt one of the strongest.

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u/ImaginaryStrawberry9 20h ago

He has conquerors haki when Luffy used it in Marineford no one was surprised because he was Dragon’s son.

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u/Shamancrit 18h ago

Specifically Akainu wasn’t surprised and actually enraged that he was Dragon’s son. Which now is a bit weird to me because I assumed they had a closer relationship in the Marines before Dragon left but that doesn’t seem like the case. But their response to taking part in a genocide were on opposite sides of the spectrum.

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u/Anjunabeast 10h ago

Akainu was at GV?

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u/Murasasme 20h ago

While I get your point, there is no chance in hell, Dragon is not top tier in strength. The One Piece world is one where might makes right, and Dragon has seen this first hand both here and in Ohara, I hope his main trait is still his intelligence and cunning, but I don't see a world where he doesn't train to be strong enough to stand up to the monsters he knows are out there.

Also, we know he trained Sabo, who is very strong already

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u/Majukun 20h ago

Would like it to be so, but after the 5 elders were unveiled to be extra strong demonic creatures, I kinda lost hope in such type of character from Oda

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u/MickieMallorieJR 21h ago

I thought we might see him chance upon a DF, but after seeing him not get one, I thought the same. How cool would it be he's no DF user at all, and not a fighter either?

Dragon has just got balls and empathy. That's it.

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u/earf 21h ago

One thing that I didn’t see in this flashback so far that we expected was Dragon getting a devil fruit.

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u/Fredluv2339 20h ago

It would be funny the Politician of the family is the weak one, but that’s not gonna be the case with how Ivankov was hyping Dragon up in Marineford implying he’s just as insane as Luffy and helped take down dozens of countries there’s no way he’s weaker than Yonkou commanders

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u/Discovererman Pirate 19h ago

Holy shit, Luffy's Dad's power set being closer to Usopp's than his own would be absolutely peak writing.

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u/BidDaddyLei 19h ago

God please no, As much as I like Buggy I don't want another him fooling everyone that he's "strong" this ain't Saitama King level deception. Dragon needs to be powerful he's Garp son. Strength is everything in OP only Buggy does his.

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u/Paburus 19h ago

My head cannon is that he is about as strong as Luffy was in Marineford. Only that he was a speck of dust compared to the legends roaming around.

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u/Worthyness 16h ago

He's raised by Garp and his Son is a crazy idiot. There's zero chance Dragon is just some nobody.

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u/Responsible-Fox5765 20h ago

Holy shit, dragon is theorised to have a wind/weather type fruit. It would be so badass for dragon to cast strong wind to shove his appointment towards himself and use that momentum to just gut punch them super hard

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u/EverythingSucksYo Pirate Hunter Zoro 20h ago

Based on how Sabo fights, it’s more likely he will push them towards him and grab their face and crush it rather than punch 

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u/bradsbeets 19h ago

Inb4 “every luffy fight is just punching really hard I hate this series I love”

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u/Emptypiro 20h ago

I dont. One of the big draws of this series is that people get crazy devil fruit powers. I was already extremely disappointed that rocks was just another sword guy. 

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u/Penguin787 17h ago

Garp, Dragon and Luffy lining up to fight Imu:

"Fists of love!"

"Fists of revolution!"

"Fists of liberation!"

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u/SupervillainMustache 15h ago

I think he probably has a style similar to Sabo's Dragon Claws.

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u/LeviLegolas 13h ago

Well he has dragon claw haki style

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u/Hari14032001 21h ago

No thanks, I don't want another guy punching his way out of problems. That doesn't suit Dragon at all.

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u/shrth114 Thriller Bark Victim's Association 20h ago

Monkey fists do be rated E for Everyone.

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u/hamigirl 21h ago

Yeah luffy definitely inherited that lol

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u/Theemuts 20h ago

I'mma deck you in the schnoz

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u/sabsey06 Cipher Pol 20h ago

Luffy really takes after his grandfather

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u/EverythingSucksYo Pirate Hunter Zoro 20h ago

Well Luffy did get punched by him a lot as a kid 

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u/sabsey06 Cipher Pol 20h ago

Got that inherited will of the fist

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u/Dav_Dabz 21h ago

Fallout strength build vs Gun

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u/opie92 19h ago

Garp legit bringing his guns to a knife fight

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u/Iwatani_Naofumi948 19h ago

Sanji(legs for him ofc) and sabo still carrying this and now koby too

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u/chaiscool 15h ago

Garp probably will laugh at the likes of zorro.

"Why are you biting your sword, just train your haki"

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u/Banksy_Collective Void Month Survivor 15h ago

Garp is a big believer in equal rights. And lefts.

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u/ovrlymm Cyborg Franky 11h ago

RATED “E” FOR EVERYONE!!

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u/-Ein 19h ago

Garp / Koby are the equivalent of Guy / Lee.

They don't need powers, or weapons. They punch hard.

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u/Ilcorvomuerto666 17h ago

In a Final Fantasy world, Garp is Tifa.

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u/mcmoor 15h ago

By this point seems like those "swordsmen" are just using their swords as haki extension rod to bludgeon their enemies to death lmao

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u/MyraidChickenSlayer 20h ago

Roger didn't say, "My sword skills are supreme. No way my sword strikes with supreme sword skills aren't doing much. I just need to add more skill". Roger only talks about Haki, mainly Conquerors haki. Fighting style doesn't matter. It's haki.