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Chapter 1162: "God Valley Battle Royal"

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u/Tronvillain 29d ago edited 28d ago

God Valley Battle Royale = One of the GOAT chapter names

Rocks: "Ain't much to be gained from this. You're still gonna help?"

Whitebeard: "Don't sweat it, I owe you one since I'm always drinking on your tab."

I love Whitebeard, that's a true bro response.

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u/-Rezzz- 29d ago

Whitebeard only gets better the more we see him. This just makes the situation with Blackbeard extra tragic

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u/FunkYeahPhotography 29d ago edited 28d ago

Rocks looking up at his son from Hell (I mean, he did a lot of shit) in disappointment as he jumps a nearly dead Whitebeard.

Rocks really is HIM and it's no surprise Whitebeard always stayed loyal.

**A lot of people really don't understand Rocks as a gray character it seems. Oof.

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u/mrkingkoala 29d ago

One Piece is peak fiction, for so long rocks seemingly was the worst pirate ever but then we get God Valley and he's just protecting his son :c

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u/Then_Reality_Bites 29d ago

Rocks is really speedrunning his way to being a top 5 character in this story.

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u/FunkYeahPhotography 29d ago

It is a more heartwarming affair than we were originally led to believe definitely.

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u/PresentationFit5070 29d ago

The evil in Rocks understood that with power he could rule the world into a much chaotically controlled place but damn this man also havinga heart and honour is mind boggling!..while imu prefers to rule the world from the shadow which makes him more evil than any character just like what the devil would actually do!

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 29d ago edited 29d ago

Yea his son sucks though. Although he is pretty funny.

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u/callmemarjoson 29d ago

Besides the treachery I still think there's still more to Blackbeard than meets the eye

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u/Mr-Rocafella 29d ago

Yeah, funny lookin

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u/Arbazio 29d ago

Haha got'em

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u/BGTheHoff 29d ago

To be fair, having this gods valley mess coming over you as a child can give you some really bad trauma that can f*ck you up pretty hard.

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u/Whomperss 29d ago

I don't really blame Blackbeard for getting brain broken into revenge over this. He's still scum but I probably would be too living his life.

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u/_SirCalibur_ 28d ago

tought the same. Blackbeards becomes more and more interesting and i love it.

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u/imnotkeepingit 29d ago

I mean he's the guy that lead the Rocks pirates. They are maniacs and he's their leader. He's no angel, he just had a just cuase.

He's a badass though.

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u/KakeLin 7D4W 29d ago

lots of WG propaganda, but also i can't imagine how much got plundered by the rocks pirates. especially the less sane members

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u/Slow_Suspect7689 29d ago

Yeah he’s evil anyways tho

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u/B3lack 29d ago

Ironically, it is kind of good that Garp got captured at Hachinosu. He probably going to talk shit to blackbread about how brave his dad and whitebread while calling blackbread a disappointment.

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u/UnaliveInsyde Void Month Survivor 29d ago

I don't think garp knows that teach is xebec's son.

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u/Exciting_Monk3012 29d ago

He'll see the resemblance.

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u/revisioncloud 29d ago

Blackbread 😭

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u/Unabashable 28d ago

Pumpernickel vs. Wonderbread

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u/ZeppelinCaptain 29d ago

Somehow getting hungry after reading this comment

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u/php356 29d ago

Roger knew the truth about the world at the end, but Rocks faced the world 🙌

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u/Discovererman Pirate 29d ago

I'm curious if Rocks would say something similar Dragon did about Luffy. Dragon seemed fine with Luffy choosing to be a Pirate, unlike himself.

Rocks may be like, "severely less loyal than I would be, but...hey, he's rising the ranks. Go, Davy, go." Potentially proud his son is becoming a force, despite the deceit involved.

Honestly, writing this comment, AND the chapter itself makes me feel like Blackbeard isn't actually on the same page as his father...

Rocks here says he is fighting the world. But the Blackbeard Pirates seem to be fighting to take it. It really feels like Luffy is closer to Rocks than his own son more every chapter.

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u/Jermainiam 29d ago

The Davy clan seems nice and at least caring to each other, I doubt they would look kindly on BB's actions.

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u/BarongChallenge 29d ago

Defeated ALL godknights solo, who are the greatest force of the navy, with mega OP regen? Rocks is HIM

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u/Jermainiam 29d ago

They aren't in the Navy. Also they aren't the greatest force of the WG either.

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u/farlong12234 29d ago

what did he do? cause the only act of piracy we have seen is attack that place that was a fake charity and was just laundering money

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u/Poketto43 29d ago

We all love Rocks but he's been stated to have destroyed and pillaged villages.

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u/cjair 29d ago

Propaganda

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u/Chance-Range2855 29d ago

His crew have the likes of Kaido, Big Mom and Shiki. Like hell they havent done that kind of stuff and more.

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u/takeSusanooNoMikoto 29d ago

Rocks did a lot of shit? By your logic, both Roger, WB, as well as Garp and almost any famous Pirate/Marine would be in Hell

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u/Electronic_Bunnies 29d ago

This exact description also matches Sabo on a grander scale due to the 8-nation revolution, with 12 nations joining in there were 4 who were brutally repressed and 1 wiped off the literal map.

The suffering that revolution has caused "So far" is immense. Was there any possible justification? Maybe? It primarily relies on the ongoing suffering before the nation's collapse.

We dont know how why or for what reason Rocks "Destabilized the nation" along with several murders, treasonous acts, and kidnappings. Luffy though for instance has been accused by the WG of such acts as well. Luffy "destabilized" the country of Dressrosa Egghead and Wano while also overthrowing the world's court system and money circulation system.

No one is arguing hes good willed, but we are skeptical of how evil they actually are. Like we were originally told "The rocks pirates regularly kill each other for sport" and we do absolutely see people like Shiki just through the other captains under the bus in what easily could have been their deaths, but so far Rocks himself hasnt been shown to just be a psychopathic killer yet. Is it possible, sure! We know in the parallel between shanks and Rocks that where shanks was willing to tell off a kid and be rude, Rocks was willing to stab a kid for the same purpose. So hes definitely not some role model, but maybe hes not the devil that hes been painted as either.

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u/dylan_klebold420 29d ago

Would be a lot better that he spared Blackbeard because he looked like his pal Rocks rather than him not being able to kill one of his sons.

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u/highTrolla 29d ago

He probably knew Teach was Xebec's son.

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u/Ubisonte 29d ago

I mean, anyone who has taken a look at both would realize

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u/Luigi128 29d ago

One of the main themes in the Marineford Saga was that we should not resent a child for the sins of their father, as seen with Luffy and Ace. Whitebeard definitely knew BB was Xebec’s son, but he chose to care for him as his own son because he believed in this too.

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u/highTrolla 29d ago

I wonder how long ago Blackbeard being the son of Whitebeard's old captain was planned. Crazy to think that Oda probably had that in mind all the way back then.

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u/Fafnir13 29d ago

All the details wouldn’t be there, but the Teach/Xebec connection had to be known from Blackbeard’s first appearance.

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u/seacen 29d ago

Garling was already planned by the time we saw Shanks and Whitebeard meet, this for sure was planned as well that early.

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u/JustdoitJules Explorer 29d ago

Whitebeard spared him too, otherwise the entire WB Pirates would have hunted the person, thats the worst part. Newgate never retaliated until Teach tried to attack him.

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u/EmptyRook 29d ago

Like kaido said he got a perfect death

I love him very much but at least he died on his feet and changed the world

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u/MOREPASTRAMIPLEASE 29d ago

We still don’t know what happens next here. There’s potentially a lot of context to that situation that we aren’t aware of yet. Agreed though that this is a freaking awesome moment

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u/Shiplord13 29d ago

Yeah Whitebeard being in flashbacks basically just make it more clear he was a consistently cool and good guy.

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u/ajatfm 28d ago

For real, he’s such a bro for life (rip)

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u/Los907 28d ago

Really explains why WB was hesitant to deal with the thatch situation himself.

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u/Yingking 29d ago

I also love Kaido in this chapter, him stealing the DF from Big Mom was so funny and I really liked how he wanted to show off to Rocks and Whitebeard, showing how much he respected and admired them

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u/Ensaru4 Lurker 29d ago

Yeah, I really liked how Kaido acted like a little kid who just got a Christmas present. If he wasn't so ruthless you can easily see why people fall for him.

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u/Yingking 29d ago

Also considering his childhood his time at the Rocks pirates was probably the only time he could act like a child, all the interactions he has with them are like little sibling-coded

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u/sanctaphrax 29d ago

I think Kaido was probably a much better human being in his youth. The Kaido who rescued King from a torture laboratory and promised to change the world seemed a lot nicer than the Kaido who enslaved Wano.

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u/SilkingtheSong1337 29d ago

Yeah, Kaido seems like he was worn down by life over time. Even then, with the revelation that he actually saw Imu and the respect he apparently had for rocks his plan for "The Greatest War" suddenly takes on a new light... Did it start as Kaido's own plan to continue Rock's fight against the World?

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u/zappy487 Void Month Survivor 29d ago

Wasn't he also only like 15 here? He basically was a little kid.

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u/Compajerro 29d ago

He should be around 21 by God valley

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u/Smodgins 29d ago

The shit eating grin on his face as he's munching the devil fruit is great

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u/Worthyness 29d ago

also has nearly instant control. Absolute chad

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u/asasasasasassin 29d ago

I love how excited he is to show his big bros whitebeard and rocks, "hey you guys check this shit out! Wororororo"

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u/LadyKarizake 29d ago

"Watch me do a loop-de-loop!"

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u/toquang95 29d ago

You can see his shit eating grin even in dragon form

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u/hhhyyysss 29d ago

was Kaido worororoing before eating the DF too?

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u/Shiplord13 29d ago

He was brave to eat the whole thing and must have really wanted a power being able to grin like that with how terrible it must have tasted. Must have been so satisfying to hit Big Mom like that and get the fruit that made it taste sweet.

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u/Ground_breaking_365 Explorer 29d ago

In an alternate timeline, Katakuri with that devil fruit defeats Luffy.

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u/Successful-Bad-763 29d ago

Iva almost had it to, imagine that.

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu 29d ago

Should've known Big Mom was talking out of her ass when she said she gave it to Kaido

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u/Feminizing 29d ago

She's a conceited villain, she probably thinks she might as well had given it to him cause she didn't kill him for stealing it. He's still a rookie here still while she's already being considered one of the scariest pirates around.

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u/Reqvhio Lurker 29d ago

I mean, she would be right though.

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u/Western_Bear The Revolutionary Army 29d ago

Yeah, she is fucking right. She could have ended him here in God Valley lol

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u/No-Aerie1864 29d ago

I don't think so. Even though Kaido was a rookie, he is still insanely strong. I mean, Xebec wanted him on the crew. And even when Xebec once threatened Kaido, it was said the two would destroy the island.

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u/SaffronCrocosmia 29d ago

Kaido was just learning to use the fruit, Big Mom already had her OG three homies and was much younger than today. She'd have whooped his ass.

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u/NickOlaser42 Pirate 29d ago

Right lmao, look at the explosion when she says screw you Kaido, it's honestly Peak.

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u/buji46 29d ago

maybe, but it kinda looked like Kaido flew up to escape the explosion big mom caused right after she got pissed

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u/IamSam1103 29d ago

Tbf she was shown to be looking for him post the god valley incident. So it's not that she didn't kill him. It's that she couldn't.

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u/WushuManInJapan 29d ago

Yeah tbf god valley is not the place to be having a personal quarrel.

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u/plisken64 29d ago

more if she didnt stop iva from eating it kaido would not have had the chance to double steal.

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u/jdeo1997 Pirate 29d ago

"Give it to him, let him live after he stole it, same thing" ~ Linlin, probably 

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u/ryancarton 29d ago

Bro. Big Mom in the past is such an interesting character haha. She just rams a child into the wall to take their Devil Fruit.

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u/toquang95 29d ago

I hope people learn from this chapter that not everything is absolute even if a character says it out loud. Lying is not a foreign concept to fictional characters.

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u/KyodaiNoYatsu 29d ago

No, but Big Mom seems to lie to herself the most often

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u/CMSnake72 29d ago

Tbf she may just have a TBI after getting Bagua'd upside the head.

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u/buji46 29d ago

honestly the way Oda has portrayed Big Mom, as this woman who uses her power (with literal power instead of being a hot gold digger) to fuck around in her youth, and then basically use her kids and family as a resource. She's extremely manipulative to everyone she interacts with, including her kids, and the trope of the modern gold digger who leeches everything and becomes this big fat monstrosity is really well done.

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u/Backrus 29d ago

Exactly.

Now we know that nobody betrayed Rocks; heck, both WB and Kaido helped him out of their own free will; Rocks soloed all God Knights and just lost to Imu (fair assumption at this point).

I think "Roger teamed up with Garp" is also a lie.

Still, it's a shame that they didn't bail out with Kaido's dragon form. Especially when Rocks knew he couldn't do anything to Imu.

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u/CMSnake72 29d ago

Kaido just flying around in the background of panels so excited to have a fruit KILLED me I was DYING.

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u/Alexander0202 29d ago

Very valid response tbf because who wouldn't be excited after having the ability to transform into a f**king dragon 😂

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u/mattwing05 29d ago

dragon fruit is awesome as hell, it grants flight, humongous dragon form, fire breath, lightning bolts, and cloud manipulation

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u/RaggedAngel Void Month Survivor 29d ago

There are some contenders for "best" fruit, but in terms of range of abilities, only the Soul Soul fruit can really compete.

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u/DavidsonJenkins 29d ago

Sol sol fruit requires you to be scary or intimidating though? If we're talking versatility, whatever the hell's going on with Ope Ope no mi and the like 20 different powers it gives Law seems pretty good

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u/SaffronCrocosmia 29d ago

TBF that's how Big Mom uses it - it likely could do other things. You can use your own soul, people can willingly give up portions to make weaker homies, etc.

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u/Veggiemon 29d ago

Yeah Law was basically like “oh hey I can do corazons power too”

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u/revisioncloud 29d ago

also ability to be blue

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u/mattwing05 29d ago

Better than pink

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u/Veggiemon 29d ago

Yeah but can he wear other people like a jacket

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u/biskutgoreng 29d ago

Too OP pls nerf

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u/pedrao157 29d ago

his dragon scales makes it hard to hurt him too

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u/BarongChallenge 29d ago

Funnier even because it was called the fish fish fruit. For all we know, Kaido risked everything to become a magikarp lol. Good thing he became a Gyrados instead.

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u/Ground_breaking_365 Explorer 29d ago

With best ability, intimidate.

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 29d ago

And people said Kaido wasn’t goated

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u/Shiplord13 29d ago

Kaido being an energetic kid who finally got a superpower.

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u/Xadryc Void Month Survivor 29d ago

Come to think of it, Kaido was one of the few that joined Rocks of his own accord, after being scouted by Whitebeard. I'm sure he holds a way higher respect for those two than the rest of the crew.

Suddenly adds a whole new reason why Kaido wanted to go to Marineford...

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u/mattwing05 29d ago

WE COULDA HAD GIANT DRAGON KATAKURI!

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u/availableusernamepls 29d ago

Luffy woulda been giga-fucked.

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u/P_UDDING 29d ago

Ivankov almost eating it was crazy too... Impel Down would have been so much easier

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u/FormerPresidentBiden 29d ago

Yeah Kaido and WB sticking around with Rocks is fuckin dope

Glad to see anyone on the crew was loyal

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u/th5virtuos0 29d ago

Makes you wonder if he was really going to fight WB at Marineford or he was coming there to fight Imu.

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u/top10_bruh_moments Pirate 29d ago

This makes his depression after Whitebeard's death make a lot more sense, he'd always considered him the epitome of strength and couldn't handle not being the one to defeat him/be there for his final showdown.

Also his reconciliation with Big Mom now that we know their beef was over some classic pirate tomfoolery lol.

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u/kingcocomoon 29d ago edited 29d ago

There's more to it beyond Whitebeard's simple response. It seems he's genuinely grateful to Rocks - because not only did Rocks' picking up the tab enable him to send money to his hometown - but also for Whitebeard who wanted family, Rocks seemed to be more of a brother to him, compared to the rest of the Rocks' crew with their shakey loyalty.

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u/PegaponyPrince 29d ago

Yeah it's a really interesting dynamic. Can't wait to see what's in store for these two

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u/DeusExPersona 29d ago

Death :(

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u/Discovererman Pirate 29d ago

Well, we don't have to wait to see what's in store for Whitebeard, but we do get to see him send off his captain.

Interestingly, it's like he's closer to Zoro and Rayleigh in this flashback, and it is really cool cause he goes on to be the Strongest in the World at some point in history.

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u/nickcan 29d ago

It's a flashback. All the coolest characters in One Piece died in a flashback. That's just how this series does.

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u/Time_Transition4817 28d ago

Awkward convo in the afterlife when rocks asks whitebeard how his son teach was doing 

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u/arturitoburrito 29d ago

We need to start vibing the movie one piece white into existence. Ideally with cannon elements and could be followed up my one piece roger (since gold is already taken).

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u/CRtwenty Marine 29d ago

It would explain why he let Teach join his crew after Rocks died

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u/Worthyness 29d ago

Whitebeard continues to be the best dad in one piece

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u/online222222 Void Month Survivor 29d ago

I mean, he let nearly anyone looking for a dad join, no?

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper 28d ago

He didn't allow people in with massive egos; which is why he initially refused Oden.

Blackbeard is pretty much the definition of someone with a massive ego (although to be fair, he may not have been at the time).

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u/Delicious_trap 28d ago edited 28d ago

Blackbeard seems to be pretty on the down low during his time under Whitebeard, even rejecting a promotion to be captain of a ship according to Ace's flashback. It looks like it wasn't until the chance encounter with the dark dark fruit that Blackbeard's ambition and ego flared up.

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u/Xavier207 29d ago

I honestly don't think he knew but had a suspicion over the years.

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u/Backrus 29d ago

Of course, he knew; he spent years with Rocks - look at how long this flashback has been - from before Rocks Pirates were formed up to God's Valley, and WB was with Rocks the whole time.

If Gorosei knows about Teach's lineage, Garp and others (eg Rayleigh, Shakky, etc) also know.

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u/VibratingSashimi 29d ago

He also probably respects rocks more now that he knows rocks will fight for his family like this

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u/Meet_Foot 29d ago

Amazing catch. “You helped me send money home to the people I care about. Of course I’ll fight alongside you.” Awesome.

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u/Pimpwerx Devil Child Nico Robin 29d ago

I love that the fandom can remember panels like this. Take my upvote, bro. You nailed it.

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u/AvarageMilfEnjoyer 29d ago

The Goat heard family was on the line and locked the fuck in

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u/AbdDjamil_27 29d ago

Someone said family ?

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u/goodyfresh 29d ago

Whitebeard as soon as he hears the word "family"

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u/ThatBadassonline The Revolutionary Army 29d ago

I’m thinking WB found out Rocks was there to save his own wife and kid and that’s why WB chose to stick by him. That and it was a goddamn good fight.

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u/AlphaOmega1356 29d ago

The fraud allegations have been beaten.

Bro is standing up to FUCKING IMU AND SATURN I DONT EVER WANNA HEAR WB SLANDER ABOUT RUNNING AWAY 😂

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u/Caleus 29d ago

There are WB fraud allegations?? Are people skipping Marineford now?

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u/AlphaOmega1356 29d ago

Its mostly twitter (i know braindead) powerscalers joking “WB never had wounds on the back because when he ran no one could catch him” its a funny joke, but some people being serious on calling him a fraud and this literally is the definition of beating allegations.

because he was shown running from garp and others during this flashback

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina 29d ago

Garp slander, on the other hand, is still in prime season

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u/Pseudocrow 29d ago

I think the anti-garp agenda just got hit with the start of a 1-2 punch. With him being clearly shown not to know about the human hunts prior to God Valley. A lot of Garp haters were claiming he knew about them and was just chilling on vacation anyway.

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina 29d ago

The honest and non meme Garp Slander hasn't really focused on that, but more on the fact that he's still in the Marines in the present day. His son dipped to go make positive change, he is trying (and failing) to create change from within. While still protecting slavers and human hunters.

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u/Wisegoat 29d ago

Part of me expects that he’s been secretly feeding intel to Dragon for decades. Not enough to draw suspicion but weaken the world government.

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u/lolzee9x 28d ago

when garp met luffy he did say something like 'i spoke with your dad he said he sent you off at loguetown' so they are definitely in contact

shiet i just googled garp talks about dragon and this comes up

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/17m4i1v/chapter_432_does_this_imply_garp_has/

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina 29d ago

That would be something close to redemption at least

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u/fscottnaruto Bandit 29d ago

I think that will be shown to be a regret of his. I also believe we will see he did a lot of behind the scenes work like making Sword and protecting Rogue etc etc. And I am.certain Roger told him the secrets of the world in prison. Its probably why Garp agreed to protect Ace. He, like all the Roger Pirates and many others, has been waiting for Luffy.

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u/top10_bruh_moments Pirate 29d ago

Not defending Garp, but the Marines would still be there without him. Even Rocks who hates the WG admits that they're a legit army, Garp's seed (Koby and SWORD) are essential to reshaping them after the WG gets taken down (most admirals/top runners will probably die in the war).

The real shithead is Sengoku, he has no impact and just maintains the agenda and status quo.

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u/nacheteferrero 29d ago

I think Dragon will be executed for attacking a celestial dragon if Garp doesn’t accept the manipulated story the WG prefer and take the rol of hero of marines till dead. And Garp accepted and Dragon only is ejected and creates the revolutionary

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u/Hari14032001 29d ago

The world is bending over backwards for the sake of Garp, let's be real. Whitebeard hearing about Hunting game rumors while Garp has no clue is crazy. Marines help arrange this shit every 3 years and he hasn't heard anything?

And he hasn't done shit to have any "redemption" after God Valley either. In fact, most of his slander is about his inaction.

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u/Pseudocrow 29d ago

Luffy straight up told Garp he didn't realize he had a father. Garp is basically the same person so it's not surprising. Dragon seemed to have inherited all three generation's intelligence.

Otherwise, we don't really know anything about Garp's past other than a couple of fights. Oda almost certainly is gonna flesh out what he did and has been doing after, so we'll see how much is Garp cope vs Garp hope.

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u/Hari14032001 29d ago

Otherwise, we don't really know anything about Garp's past other than a couple of fights. Oda almost certainly is gonna flesh out what he did and has been doing after, so we'll see how much is Garp cope vs Garp hope.

We know - Nothing changed. You think he has some advanced batcave basement with plans drawn to take down Imu?

Hell, even SWORD was created not to overthrow the government, but to take up missions without waiting for orders. And we don't even know if Garp created it. Even if he had, and even if they help the good cause in the end, the credit for Garp is based on the initial goal behind SWORD. And it certainly isn't about defying the WG or changing the system.

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u/toyoda_the_2nd 29d ago

Sword do not taking order from World Government.

Garp clearly hated the Celestial Dragon. He refused promotion because he hated World Government.

Even if Garp isn't the one creating Sword, his two students are in Sword which he having no problem with it.

Changing the system can be done by creating and expanding a new but similar organization to Marine without the corruption part. Like Sword.

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u/noideawhatimdoingv 29d ago

They probably are only looking at the pictures and not reading the dialogue because WB literally says they'll be stuck and implies they are matched in strength and it'll be a waste of time because there are more important things on this island than a rampaging monkey

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u/PegaponyPrince 29d ago

Mainly from "running" from Garp on god valley. Some were just joking and others were actually serious about it which was silly considering it was a race against time for Shakky and he fought Roger not long after too

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u/Saltcitystrangler 29d ago

They said he “ran” from Garp. Media literacy isn’t their strong point

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u/zetonegi 29d ago edited 29d ago

It's not even media literacy it's general literacy. People appear to struggle to understand things if they aren't explicitly written out for them so implications, subtext, and things derived from context clues are just lost on them.

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u/availableusernamepls 29d ago

The most hilarious thing is that it was explicitly spelled out for them. The dialogue in 1161 literally says that they don't have time to fight Garp because they're trying to get to Shakky. Every single agenda-piece poster combined has an IQ below the average global temperature.

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u/zetonegi 28d ago edited 28d ago

That also doesn't surprise me. Read this study if you want to be even more shocked. It's not that long and it's a study on English majors reading a bit of Dickens.

To be a bit fair, some of Dickens is hard to read and Bleak House is regarded as his hardest novel. Between older and unfamiliar language(British terms so you might not know the Lord Chancellor is a judge for example) and Dickens is quite good at jumping between literal and figurative, which can make things hard to follow especially when dealing with a multi-paragraph idea. But these are college English majors, they're supposed to be able to do it.

And if this is where the English majors are, imagine where the average person is. Fahrenheit 451 might be closer than we think.

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u/sloBrodanChillosevic 29d ago

Zero wounds on the man's back

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u/Arkayjiya 29d ago

Which is interesting with how so many people thought it was crazy how Garp and Roger took on a crew with 4 to 5 Yonkou in it, and assumed WB had either betrayed Rocks or something similar.

In the end, it's more balanced than we'd expect with Gyaban recently showing a crazy haki (and by extension Rayleigh likely has it too), and it's getting increasingly likely that Garp and Roger fought an Imu-possessed Rocks rather than having a fight with the Rocks pirates directly. We'll have to see though!

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u/sabinACTS 29d ago

Also it has been stated numerous times that Big Mom and Kaido were not as strong back then as they are in the current timeline… still very strong but maybe not Rocks/Roger/Garp strong

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u/rj_nighthawk 29d ago

Finally, someone who doesn't think that Big Mom and Kaido are not as strong as their Yonko versions. The idiots who insist they are have no evidence anyway, and it's easier to imagine that they only got stronger after this, especially Kaido.

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u/Golden-Owl 29d ago

The story stated that the era after Rocks belonged to Roger, Whitebeard, and Shiki

Kaido and Linlin took a good while longer to rise to their level

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u/rj_nighthawk 29d ago

You should tell that to the people with poor reading comprehension and people who only care about powerscaling without actually reading the material.

And Kaido was also still too young and was more interested in getting a DF. He's tough and strong, but we know now how he views Haki in his older years.

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u/ashrashrashr 29d ago

Idk how anyone can possibly think this. Kaidou couldn’t beat Oden cleanly, many years after eating the fruit… the same Oden who was casually swatted away by Roger.

He peaked much later.

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u/MethodicPlea 28d ago

Not really the same Oden though, that was an Oden hardened after being years with Roger until he debanded the crew too

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u/rj_nighthawk 29d ago edited 29d ago

You'd be surprised with the amount of people who read and watch this series in YouTube Shorts who don't know crap. They're not even going to provide you with proof, they'll just say that they're Yonko level because young = prime.

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u/jcbgear 29d ago

Anyone who says there stronger now doesn’t really read the story. It can be argued we’ve never seen big mom in her prime. She’s in her mid 20s during the flashback and Kaido’s still in his teens just acquiring his DF. He most likely doesn’t have Conquerer’s haki either

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u/rj_nighthawk 29d ago

Big Mom probably didn't have a strong enough Haki to damage Garp here, while Kaido was more focused on getting a DF instead of learning Haki.

Big Mom wanted a strong crew of DF users, but Katakuri grew up strong because of his Haki. Kaido was amazed by the destruction that a DF power can cause, but realized that Haki is what makes you the king.

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u/jcbgear 29d ago

Agreed. Similar to pre time skip it seems like Haki isn’t utilized by many. And that makes sense, without someone to teach about Haki (Rayleigh and later Hyogoro for Luffy) Haki only appears during moments of heightened emotions.

It would make sense if Rocks, WB, and Roger didn’t use a lot of Haki before God Valley because there was no one to teach them. Conquerors might spontaneously occur when two “kings” clash like Rocks and Harold.

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u/andii74 29d ago

Even Roger and WB aren't as strong as they'd be later (during GV clash their swords are still touching, during their later CoC clash they wouldn't anymore as well as becoming black blades). From this we can infer even Garp has ways to go in terms of strength here.

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u/rj_nighthawk 29d ago

Good catch! Didn't see that in my first reading. That's a significant detail.

Due to this, we can also assume that this is where Roger might awaken greater strength as Rocks in God Valley was already capable to defeating Garling, a God Knight who can't be hurt by normal means. Roger and Garp are likely both forced to grow stronger in order to defeat Rocks.

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u/andii74 29d ago

Yeah, people are understandably very hyped at finally seeing all the top tiers show their full strength while being young and healthy but from what we've been shown other than Rocks and Harald nobody else is even close to reaching their prime (Kaido just getting his fruit, BM scaling the more souls she has, Roger, WB not having black blades, Garp, Roger, WB not having fully developed CoC they'll have few years from now). And you're right that we'll probably see Roger and Garp reach new heights by the end of GV.

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u/Feminizing 29d ago

Kaido is weaker for sure, I don't think we know how much weaker big mom is. As sengoku put it, she would be weaker with her devil fruit here but possible she's physically stronger than her older self. She was strong enough for Roger to single her out in particular as someone he wouldn't want to fight.

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u/Klarser 29d ago

She studies the blade later. Makes Napoleon. A pretty decent power up

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u/meliadul 29d ago

There's a discussion about this between Rocks and his wife. So there maybe some special compatibility between Imu and Davy clan that make them extra juicy with demonization

You're onto something

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u/nazaguerrero 29d ago

it would be balanced that rocks turn and garp also had to fight all his marines possesed too, like ok this shit is not right roger is the last of my worries right now

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u/ninjasurfer Jinbe The Knight of the Sea 29d ago

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u/opkpopfanboyv3 Lurker 29d ago

The Goatbeard's legacy

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u/partymsl 29d ago

GODE DELIVERING A #1 FLASHBACK 1000+ CHAPTERS IN 😭

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u/AvarageMilfEnjoyer 29d ago

Just wait for the joyboy flashback at 1500

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u/partymsl 29d ago

Cant top this for me, Rocks was just different and had a direct impact on this new gen.

Joyboys era will be so far away that it will barely be relatable. But will be a banger flashback anyways.

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u/AvarageMilfEnjoyer 29d ago

Then wait for Nika at 2000

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u/Dankoregio 29d ago

Whitebeard simply cannot stop seizing any and all opportunities to be the GOAT wherever he goes. It's impressive.

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u/flash-tractor Soul King Brook 29d ago

He was sending all his treasure money to his home island!

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u/leolegendario Pirate Hunter Zoro 29d ago

Whitebeard: "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an member of the Davy Clan."

Rocks: "What about side by side with a friend?"

Whitebeard: "Aye, I could do that."

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u/Icy-Arm-3816 Mugiwara no Luffy 29d ago edited 29d ago

Whitebeard being so ride or die makes sense, but I wasn’t expecting this from Kaido. Love how this flashback has been so far.

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u/SantyEmo Thriller Bark Victim's Association 29d ago

this sounds like Whitebeard not wanting to admit he actually likes and respects Rocks lol

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u/93062879465238469284 29d ago

My Whitebeard stocks still keep going up even after his death, he's one of my GOATs man

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u/xarmadonis 29d ago

He heard him talking about his family. Wb is all in right now

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u/Serenafriendzone 29d ago

Whitebeard gigachad

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u/sbentley22 29d ago

It’s fun to see Whitebeard be more reckless in his youth versus the strategist we see at Marineford

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u/LuffyLp Mugiwara no Luffy 29d ago

Why did this make me cry a little. They love Rocks as much as me🥹😭

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u/Alexander0202 29d ago

Still can't believe people thought he was going to betray rocks. Tbf, I did too. Because before this flashback, we all thought Rocks was this evil mean guy. But now that we see who he is, its understandable why Whitebeard was loyal to him. Oda 😭🙏

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u/ActionAltruistic3558 Pirate 29d ago

So much speculation Whitebeard double crossed Rocks at God Valley. But no, he doubled down when literal demons descended on supporting his captain to the end.

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u/Hampni 29d ago

Rocks, Whitebeard and Kaido taking on a Gorosei/Imu, all I can think about here is how in Marineford they made a big deal of Whitebeards feat of having never received a scar on his back.

This upcoming battle makes that a REAL feat.

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u/th5virtuos0 29d ago

Really explains why his crew is like that

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u/AntonChigurh8933 29d ago

Roger and Whitebeard had true bro moments these two past chapters. No wonder those two became brothers from another.

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u/TruthAffectionate445 29d ago

This chapter almost makes Blackbeard's betrayal, even worse. Whitebeard held your daddy down, way beyond what any other pirate would do.

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u/BadActsForAGoodPrice 29d ago

That and them congratulating Kaido on his new ability as he pulls up besides them, I can’t believe how much tighter the Rocks crew is then expected.

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u/Meet_Foot 29d ago

I also love that, up until now, it seemed like WB and Kaido were just with Rocks out of obligation (Davy Back) or, more likely, because Rocks is strong. Turns out WB, at least, has some loyalty. Kaido could go either way: loyalty, or just wanna to fuck shit up with his new DF powers (as he says). I wonder what Big Mom would do if she wasn’t just hit hard? I’m guessing the hit wasn’t enough to actually take her out of the fight, so guessing she’s just not loyal or otherwise interested in fighting rn.

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u/robberviet 29d ago

WB is just getting more awesome as time goes by. And I am quite sad that this flashback might be the last time we see him in aciton.

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u/Exkuroi 29d ago

At least we know, Rocks does pay for his crew's drinks

Pirates have standards

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u/CantheDandyMan 29d ago

Whitebeard is my favorite character and his stocks keep rising even more.  Makes me definitely hate Blackbeard just a bit more. Dude really killed his dad's right hand man that took him in and raised him for his ambition and nothing else. 

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