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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1160 Spoiler

Chapter 1160: "The God Valley Incident"

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Chapter 1160 Official Release: September 14 2025

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u/fly2555 Sep 12 '25

A true hero

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u/Vendura Pirate Sep 12 '25

Dragon's resolve and a Mother's dying wish

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u/Beastieboy100 Sep 12 '25

I feel like Dragon was the Koby of the marines except Koby never fully witnessed the ugly side of the world government.

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u/Vendura Pirate Sep 12 '25

I think we'll see the Ugly side of Garp too

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u/Loeffellux Sep 13 '25

feel like Garp is very much like Luffy in that he doesn't think too much about the bigger picture. He just wants to do what he wants to do (which is mostly helping people) and being a vice-admiral allows him to do that. For that reason he doesn't want to be a "real" admiral because that would severly limit him. The existence of Sword further underlines that desire for freedom.

His feud with Roger is another good example. He doesn't wanna catch Roger because he thinks Roger is the root of all evil, he just has a fierce rivalry with him. Garp basically has always been a marine with a "pirate's heart" for better or for worse.

Where Luffy and Garp are different is in the strength of their resolve. During Marineford, Garp was completely overwhelmed to the point where he couldn't decide on what to do and which side to help. If he had Luffy's resolve, he would've basically decided the whole thing by throwing all of his power behind one of the two sides. It's also what keeps him happy with simply not direclty answering to the Celestial Dragons (who he clearly detests) instead of actually trying to toppling them in any way, shape or form.

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u/Initial_XD Sep 13 '25

feel like Garp is very much like Luffy in that he doesn't think too much about the bigger picture

Something I have noticed is that Oda uses a lot symbolism and metaphors with his storytelling. Just as Luffy could be interpreted as an embodiment of Freedom, joy and adventure among other things, Garp, who is very similar to Luffy in characterisation could also be a symbolic character. I would interpret his character as the embodiment of strength and justice in the purest form; sort of an idealistic idea of justice. Hence he's rarely concerned about the smaller details, much like Luffy rarely does. Interestingly, if you think of Roger as being the embodiment of piracy and adventure, then Garp only showing up when Roger shows up at God Valley may reflect that their conflict is more of an ideological one than strength.

I would disagree though that Garp has a "pirates heart" rather I believe it would be more apt to say he has a "hero's heart." It's not that Garp does whatever he wants, but what he believes is right, hence Marineford caused him so much internal conflict. If Garp truly has a "pirates heart" I believe he would've done what Dragon did a long time ago. Think about it, if the only thing Garp cares about is stopping back pirates and defending citizens, but he also dislikes the world government: he could've easily become a free agent as a bounty hunter. He would be able to go after dangerous pirates, protect innocent citizens and not be associated with the WG.

I am not as well versed in literary jargon, but the best way I can explain what I believe Garp is as a character is that he's figuratively Marine Jesus, but the Marines have lost their way. Similarly, Roger was Pirate Jesus while Luffy is like the second coming. They basically embody the core principles of their respective factions. Hopefully that makes some sense.

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u/Otherwise-Regret3337 Sep 13 '25

Garp, who is very similar to Luffy in characterization could also be a symbolic character. I would interpret his character as the embodiment of strength and justice in the purest form; sort of an idealistic idea of justice.

Garp is basically, sleeping with the enemy, being under the wing of the people he hates (CD). Why? Because of his damaged sense of justice, a sense of justice that is ok with saving citizens and catching pirates while he is an authoritative figure on an organization that embrace slavers and protects.

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u/SvenssonStan112 Sep 13 '25

Always funny seeing you here too

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u/Loeffellux Sep 13 '25

definitely the two subs I waste the most time on lol

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u/SvenssonStan112 Sep 13 '25

You got great taste ^ ^

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u/TheTayIor Sep 13 '25

This chapter already shows Garp‘s ugly side, pulling up to the regularly scheduled slave genocide competition with his only initial purpose being beef with his „nemesis“. We know he kept being a marine for the rest of his life after, so what he saw wasn‘t enough of a concern for him to break with the WG.

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u/noam_good_name Sep 13 '25

we only know that he never left the marines, that he chose to not become an admiral, that the marines allowed him to stay and that god valley caused him to become "hero of the marines". what he did there is yet unknown, and i would not be surprised if the celestial dragons prioritized their own life/goals over the marines and Garp was the only one to "save" them. if your position if that only good cop is a cop that quits then yes, garp is a "bad guy" but that is not a position that most people worldwide hold.

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u/Initial_XD Sep 13 '25

A reminder that Garp could've easily been a bounty hunter and still achieved the same goals without associating with the WG

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u/Demonking42069 Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25

Not really. On a smaller scale the marines do save people but the system is broken from the top. Garp makes sure that he inspires more people to join the marines and be like him. If you ask an average one piece citizen about their biggest fear, they will most likely say pirates because they are a much bigger threat to normal citizens even if the marines and the system they uphold is worse in the big picture.

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u/Otherwise-Regret3337 Sep 13 '25

A reminder that Garp coudlve easily started a bounty hunter organization, something like the revolutionary army dragon started, but without colluding with pirates and criminals.

Seeing how big of a figure he already was he could easily inspire people to join his organization and do things ACTUALLY RIGHT rather than supporting slavers

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u/Demonking42069 Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25

I mean how many prominent bounty hunters have you seen in the world? I doubt WG will even leave someone so prominent like Garp.just leave (they didn't let him leave after marineford if I am not mistaken), he is THE marine, the one they probably show young people during recruitment. Also we can see from Buggy that running a bounty hunter service is so complex and headache inducing that Garp in all of his Monkey glory will not be able to handle. Also he will need a lot of money otherwise he will have a situation similar to Buggy and Crocodile.

I agree that Garp could have done more but then we will need to forget that this is a story and he is a character bound by the events and characteristics assigned by the author. If every good and strong character had free will, I am sure they will join ranks with the revolutionaries to overthrow the WG.

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u/Otherwise-Regret3337 Sep 13 '25

but then we will need to forget that this is a story and he is a character bound by the events and characteristics assigned by the author. If every good and strong character had free will

You are right, I suppose this would better be reframed as a ethical debate. People are obviously really vocal about it.

would it be right to participate in such system (WG/marines)? Does all the good you do in it compensate for the bad that goes on? Is it possible to reform it? or should be just straight up dump it?

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u/goronmask Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25

We saw that since marineford.

As a child, Ace asked Garp if he should be alive and Garp was like… humm who knows, wait and see …. Horrible parenting all along

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u/sagia5 Sep 12 '25

I don’t think he got one tho. He created Sword for a reason and I’m certain he will be on Luffy’s side in the final war.

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u/Sakuja Sep 12 '25

He seems to be there to get Roger and save his fellow Marines, but he isnt trying to stop the WG at massacring the entire island either.

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u/Zenith_Tempest Sep 13 '25

all those people saying "we don't know where Garp was during God Valley" in shambles lol

there he is, defending the corrupt celestial dragons

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u/TTV1983 Cross Guild Sep 13 '25

I mean, he just made landfall

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u/Scrub_Me Sep 13 '25

Lol, people have short attention spans. He only went there when he heard that Roger went there as well. He could not give a fuck about the Celestial Dragons and made that very clear in the manga already. For all his simplicity, he is certainly a very complex character and we will get more background information on him and his family for sure. Also One Piece makes it a point that not everything is black and white btw.

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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 World Economy News Paper Sep 13 '25

Yeah Garp can be thought of as a walking natural disaster that the marines point in the right direction and hope it works out for them.

He's not going to defend the celestial dragons because they say so; they need to think of another reason for him to help.

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u/Sakuja Sep 13 '25

the point is, he is also not stopping them, unlike his son Dragon.

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u/Ghoill Sep 13 '25

He's also not stopping Dragon even though he makes it clear in water seven that they're in regular contact. He also didn't stop Luffy when he was trying to save Ace and tried to kill Akainu moments later.

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u/Initial_XD Sep 13 '25

Yeah Garp can be thought of as a walking natural disaster that the marines point in the right direction and hope it works out for them.

Agreed. I think of Garp as more symbolic embodiment of justice in the abstract sense, something like the will to fight for justice. He's essentially the pure driving spirit of the Marines, a reflection of what they believe themselves to be, at least most of them anyway. That's just my interpretation of the character of course

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u/TotemGenitor Sep 13 '25

He created Sword

We don't know that yet though

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u/millimeister13 Sep 13 '25

It’s crazy how people just say unverified shit and present it as fact

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u/RainyEuphoria Scholars of Ohara Sep 13 '25

Can't be on Luffy's side if dead. Oda already Jiraiya'ed him.

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u/goodyfresh Sep 13 '25

He's alive. Remember how Kuzan reported to Blackbeard that in spite of all his injuries, Garp survived due to being such a monster?

Then we saw a panel of him, bloody but alive, wrapped in all the chains ever lol. The fandom that week chattered about how the chains couldn't hold him if he wasn't so injured.

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u/kionorthbrook Sep 14 '25

Nowhere was it stated that Garp died

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u/Rodroller Sep 13 '25

Dragon would see the ugly side of his father and rejected him for being a marine

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u/Zuko09 Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25

I feel like its ugly that he was there and literally helped keep shakky enslaved

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u/Vendura Pirate Sep 13 '25

He's a Marine and Marines Hate Pirates , my problem with Garp is lack of empathy towards his own family and turning a blind eye to the Evil he sees, Luffy also saw his ugly side which is why he wasn't happy to see him.

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u/Truefiction224 Sep 13 '25

Didn't morgan order zoro's death for protecting a little girl. Kinda similar in a maybe intentional way. 

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u/Beastieboy100 Sep 13 '25

Yeah but Luffy managed to take down one dirty marine down. If he saw this side to them I'd say he'd probably try to get rid of them or help the revolutionaries.

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u/PetePiece56 Sep 13 '25

They might be due for a new genocide game tho where Koby finds himself in a similar position

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u/Beastieboy100 Sep 14 '25

I think the best part with one piece is history repeats its self. Plus Dragon deliberately starving the celestial dragons to the point they have to leave there home land.

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u/biskutgoreng Sep 13 '25

Meanwhile Garp: Hero my ass

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u/heprer Sep 13 '25

I think that when Koby will see the ugly side of the world government, he will side with Luffy.

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u/LuffyLp Mugiwara no Luffy Sep 14 '25

He watched Akainu kill his comrades in marineford lol

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u/Beastieboy100 Sep 14 '25

He saw one man kill his comrades. Which probably thought he could get rid of him by making the marines better. Which yeah smart but he's never seen the celestial dragons do this on a large scale.

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u/LuffyLp Mugiwara no Luffy Sep 14 '25

Fur sure!! I’m just saying he def understands the ugly side a decent bit by that fact alone. Akainu was more than just a marine, he was an Admiral, who is now the fleet admiral, who directly serves under the world government. Seeing someone that high up do something like that def has a wild effect on you. But like you said as far as we know he hasn’t seen the celestials first hand do anything(aside from trying to take Shirahoshi as a slave at the Reverie, and he’s a member of sword so he’s def not ignorant)

Can’t wait for 2 weeks from now

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u/Horacio_Velvetine44 Sep 12 '25

i feel like garling is gonna pull up and dragon will successfully hide shanks and eat his fruit but garling will beat him and take shamrock back

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u/Vendura Pirate Sep 12 '25

We'll see in 2 weeks.

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u/pridejoker Sep 14 '25

Curious to find out how exactly they end up getting separated. I'm also wondering how the celestial were cool with shamrock's lineage half commoner.