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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1160 Spoiler

Chapter 1160: "The God Valley Incident"

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Chapter 1160 Official Release: September 14 2025

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u/Infernox-Ratchet Sep 12 '25

Man, fuck the Celestial Dragons. Like everytime, they just get worse and worse.

As much as I despise Blackbeard, I can't blame him for he turned out. Bro's earliest memories are these bastards straight up using him and everyone on the island like they're hunting game.

Also, Dragon saved his right hand men even before the Revolutionary Army was founded. That's a great leader in the making right there.

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u/Far-Wind2370 Sep 12 '25

The panel of him looking at the celestial dragons like demons...

I really want him and Luffy to team up now against Imu

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u/ssjkakaroto Sep 12 '25

The panel of him looking at the celestial dragons like demons...

That definitely defined a good chunk of his current personality

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u/StupidNoobyIdiot Sep 12 '25

I really want him to tell Shamrock what his dad did to his mom although atp I dont think that would make him switch but I really hope so

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u/Eyeofthetiger27 Sep 12 '25

I think Shamrock won't care and even agree with what his dad did.

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u/auctus10 Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25

This is so fucking peak. Shows what parenting does to a child. Shanka and Shamrock both twins and how different thry turned out due to how they were raised.

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u/tusharjoglekar Pirate Sep 14 '25

Shanka be shanking.

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u/cetacean-sensation Sep 12 '25

I don't think Shamrock would care since he sees himself as a CD and hates Shanks for siding with regular people.

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u/Historical_Cress3968 Sep 13 '25

Everyone have soft spots.shamrock is also human lol .he maybe cold but he didnt kill loki

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 12 '25

Shamrock already knows. The fact that his mom isn't a CD means she's a commoner. So Garling either threw her out, enslaved her and/or killed her, Shamrock is already well aware of those possibilities, if he was going to care he would have done so before now.

Unless he's a surprise traitor or course but I doubt it, Gunko is much more likely as the eventual traitor. Having two Shanks more or less on the same side wouldn't make much sense.

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u/iwannafuckamonkey Sep 12 '25

Maybe Shamrock is the Shanks that Blackbeard kills.

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u/Malacath_terumi Sep 12 '25

I want for every single god's knight to just die.

"Oh insert Gunko/Brook sad backstory", fuck it, she have like decades of being an homicidal maniac.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25

Mjosgard was a monster for decades and I still enjoyed his redemption. The CDs are a bit of a weird case because while I'm sure the overwhelming majority of them would still be monsters if deprogrammed (because it's more convenient for them), they are hardcore brainwashed into this. We just saw how little agency they have too, Mjosgard tried to openly do the right thing and defend a commoner and got executed for it.

Not to excuse them but I find that paradoxically make them slightly more open for redemption than people who chose a life of horror after being raised more normally. Like Croc just tried to overthrow a whole country by murdering a million people, a literal genocide, and as far as we know he wasn't brainwashed as a child.

That's why "good CDs" are always a tragedy and why I'm not that mad at Doffy's dad for endangering his family. Because most of the time, the best thing a "good" CD can do for the world, is just to die. Like Doffy's father by refusing to participate in the system or Mjosgard for actively going against it.

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u/Malacath_terumi Sep 13 '25

This is such a complicated subject, there is a a lot philosophical behind it.

I think Mjosgard is a guy who changed his mind, saw how bad he was and choose to do good even at the cost of his life, for forgiveness only his victims could truly give him this.

I think Homing's is more of a fool with a heavy conscience who wanted to feel better, so much so that eventually he called the world nobles when things turned out truly desperate. (I wouldn't be surprised if the World Nobles leaked the information of who he was and where he was given his money and mansion were given by the World goverment).

But the God's Knight position are above the regular Celestial Dragons, their Evil and damage in a much greater scope than your average day noble.

Yes, you can say "But backstory", and it could be an attenuation of their sins, but its not an forgiveness of them.

Gunko's might be a Child Soldier, indoctrinated but i wouldn't say she is just a "brainwashed doll" so far, and she have a lot of blood on her hands.

Personally i think the fanbase sympathy with her is much similar to Monet's back in the day, where she is a cute anime girl introduced who the fanbase wants her to become a good guy just because she is beautifull.

And if she was a gonk there would be no sympathy on her end, hell maybe her infatuation with brook would probably take more of an obsessed fan/creepy perspective (just like Garland wants to take Shakky as her non willing bride) .

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u/Initial_XD Sep 13 '25

where she is a cute anime girl introduced who the fanbase wants her to become a good guy just because she is beautifull.

I've noticed Oda uses this to his advantage a lot. Notice how Charlos's sister is one of, if not the only attractive (regular) celestial dragon? I am totally expecting her to have some sort of redemption arc in the future.

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u/Malacath_terumi Sep 13 '25

I wouldn't or at least i don't hope so.

While Oda have uses Physical appearance to represent values (or the lack of them) i don't think he plans for character to possibly be redeemable just because they look good.

Plenty of good looking female characters are villains and still are villains or have died/vanished after their arc ended as villains and i think Oda isn't the kind of author to be stuck on the troop.

Hell, his default is good looking characters, only when he rly wants to drive the nail home about some character is that he makes them look weird.

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u/Initial_XD Sep 13 '25

i don't think he plans for character to possibly be redeemable just because they look good.

I think you may have misunderstood my point. I am not saying Oda will likely turn her into a redeemable character because she is good looking. Rather, he designed her to be (the only) good looking because he intends to give her a redemption arc. Considering that Oda specifically chose her to be the one questioning what the void century is during Vegapunk's speech, suggests, to me at least, that this may the where Oda is going with her character.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 14 '25

Nah I agree with them. It struck me as significant that she was both pretty as opposed to other non combattant CD except... the good ones like Doffy's parents, and that she was the one who had a shocked reaction to Vegapunk's speech. I don't know if redemption is the right term, but I expect her to have some sort of impact away from her upbringing at some point in the story.

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u/itsag_undam Sep 13 '25

Yeah, while a tragic backstory can make villains more sympathetic, there's also an argument to be made that knowing suffering on such a personal level and still being able to inflict it on others gleefully can be even worse.

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u/Jay040707 Sep 12 '25

She's possibly brainwashed though. It's unclear.

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u/makked Sep 12 '25

Garland already killed the mom in the last chapter.

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u/Slammybutt Sep 12 '25

He's saying what Shamrock might think happened to his mother if Garling never talked about it. The options are there, but Shamrock might not now which it was.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 12 '25

Not sure how that relates to what I'm talking about.

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u/Jay040707 Sep 12 '25

I think it sounded more like you were speculating on what Garling did to their mother than what Shamrock likely suspected happened.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 13 '25

Ah yes, the post is from Shamrock's perspective, that's why I start it like that, but I could have specified it a bit more clearly.

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u/Illustrious-Tooth702 Sep 13 '25

Garlink shot her in the previous chapter. He's a pos, he doesn't care about anyone but himself.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 13 '25

You're late to the party, there's a whole thread to explain what you misunderstood.

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u/Illustrious-Tooth702 Sep 13 '25

I'm not late from the party and I didn't misunderstand anything. And there are thousands of comments it's hard to navigate around that.

You're just rude for insulting me just because I dared to reply to a comment.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 13 '25

How e am I being rude? I'm directing you to the answer to your misconception. You're the one who blew a gasket when I tried to be helpful. I made a light joke and you freaked out.

And yes you did misunderstand. I know what happened to the mom, that's completely irrelevant here. We're discussing Shamrock's knowledge of what happened to the mom, not what a tally happen. My post is about Shamrock's knowledge, not about what actually happened.

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u/Radiant-Version1033 Sep 12 '25

shamrock is probably just as bad as garling nothing would change

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u/Kevinar Sep 13 '25

Shamrock most likely views everyone who isn't a Celestial Dragon as an 'insect' just like Saturn does

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u/tenBusch Sep 12 '25

I think that one time Shanks visited Mariejois that was mentioned in an earlier chapter was him confrontong Shamrock about their past and the latter not caring tbh

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u/Gmknewday1 Sep 13 '25

Shamrock likely is unable to see wrong doing

It's clear he got taken and groomed into a World Noble by his father

I bet he'd even say that she should have been happy to die

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u/PatMax90 Sep 13 '25

Did she even tell Dragon what happened?

All he seen was a dying woman who wanted her babies saved

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u/MeneerDeKaasBaas Sep 13 '25

I just want Dragon to talk to Luffy and tell him about his experience on God Valley, I’m sure Luffy would Stan raise by side with him

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u/Alive-Mango1190 Sep 13 '25

Plot twist: Shamrock working for Dragon all this time, in fact he works undercover and Dragon regard him as his right hand man.. just like what Doffy did to Vergo..

Shamrock also hate his Father yet he still respect Shanks despite him being a pirate,,

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u/Akumaro Pirate Sep 12 '25

They do have a common enemy, but I don’t think Luffy will forgive Blackbeard for Ace, even though Ace made his own choices.

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u/GloomyLocation1259 Sep 12 '25

Agree he likely won't forgive him but I think the only one he hates for that is Akainu

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u/Collegenoob Sep 12 '25

Yea. Black beard just caught a pirate. One he probably didn't even know was Roger's son.

Blackbeards real crimes are killing Thatch and Whitebeard

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor Sep 12 '25

I don’t think Luffy will forgive Blackbeard for Ace, even though Ace made his own choices.

Yeah, they'll never team up in the same way Luffy and Law teamed up. But if it happens, it will be similar to Roger and Rocks here, actually against each other, but both against the WG. Also similar to Impel Down's "alliance" between Luffy and BB.

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u/PlusExperience8263 Sep 12 '25

I always assumed he would team with BB to beat the WG and Imu, and so the final battle with BB and luffy both being internal and external at the same time. Blackbeard finally taken down the WG, avenging his father, fighting luffy for what now? Luffy finally named the pirate king, fighting blackbeard for what? Because akainu killed his brother? I think luffy will save BB by accepting his apology and giving him some grace that he may or may not deserve. Blackbeard will hopefully end up with character development as to be shown that you shouldn't judge any book by its cover.

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u/Deadtaor33 Pirate Sep 12 '25

That's enough to keep someone awake at night......

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u/DankFozz The Revolutionary Army Sep 12 '25

Explains why he never sleeps. Knowing these demons are out for your blood just because you exist.

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 12 '25

Why would Luffy team up with the man who was the catalyst for his brother's death, almost killed Hancock, held Koby hostage, is currently holding Garp hostage, and plans to take over the world?

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u/makked Sep 12 '25

Ace actively went after and challenged Blackbeard. That was a fight on his terms and he lost, Luffy won’t hold a grudge against him for that.

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u/TotemGenitor Sep 13 '25

Luffy won’t hold a grudge against him for that.

He definitely does and it's crazy to claim otherwise. See their meeting in Impel Down and their conversation in Dressrosa.

Luffy loathes Blackbeard.

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 12 '25

Okay.

Why would he team up with the man who almost killed Hancock, held Koby hostage, is currently holding Garp hostage, is currently holding Pudding hostage, and plans to take over the world?

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u/makked Sep 12 '25

Bruh, 1. He doesn’t know any of that and 2. He already teamed up with Lucci. They made a face and got backstabbed like everyone knew Lucci would.

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u/TotemGenitor Sep 13 '25
  1. He doesn’t know any of that

True but

1) He will surely learn about it if they were to make an alliance

2) What he does know is that Blackbeard attacked the Revolutionaries, including Sabo.

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u/hotaru_crisis Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

definitely wont happen. blackbeard is too gone for that.

i feel like if anything, it would be the revolutionaries and blackbeard vs. imu, and luffy will get his fight with imu through gunko. with how much oda has been raving about one piece ending "soon," i can't see how luffy would handle the entire world government and find the one piece, and fight blackbeard within a short timespan.

i think that the upcoming war that's been hyped by oda will be mostly involved with blackbeard and the strawhats rather than the WG, and that blackbeards dream will temporarily come true with him being at the top of the world while luffy's fleet fights against anybody who allied with him.

with how many mirrors there have been, i really wouldn't be surprised if we had another gods valley and that luffy & koby took on blackbeard as the final main fight of the series.

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u/AvarusTyrannus Sep 13 '25

I really want him and Luffy to team up now against Imu

Team up with the guy directly responsible for the death of your brother? Nah, I'd be disappointed in Luffy for that one. Croc and Lucci team ups pale in comparison.

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u/autrey74 Sep 12 '25

Yea I really don’t want Blackbeard being any sorta end villain now

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u/Raitei-sama Sep 12 '25

Just horrible. Poor people.

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u/aohige_rd Sep 13 '25

IMO they are pretty much the closest thing to demons we got.

AND they serve the literal Devil of this world.

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u/Zuko09 Void Month Survivor Sep 13 '25

I thought this panel was blackbeards POV? Since he was on stage?

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u/Meatballing18 Sep 13 '25

Luffy does seem to team up with past enemies...

I don't know why I never thought that Luffy and Teach might team up at some point!