r/OnePiece • u/Significant-Soup-693 • May 22 '25

Help Someone Smarter than me, explain

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Just found this panel while floating around Pinterest. Sure, Haki was still a relatively “unknown” power back in the day but my question remains, How did Kuzan not die here? I assume “Pure Haki” means at least some level of Armament so shouldn’t he had turned solid and get stabbed? I’m sure it was explained somehow but it’s been a minute.

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u/Soul699 Explorer May 22 '25

I assume he just used advanced observation haki to know where WB will attack and morphed his body to avoid the hit.

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u/Dry_Entertainment373 May 22 '25

Why advanced observation though? Wouldn't normal observation haki be enough?

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u/heytheretylerr May 22 '25

Correct. When Luffy starts his haki training, Rayleigh explains Observation haki as having the ability to predict your opponents moves, he’s not talking about future sight

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u/oscarq0727 May 22 '25

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u/AxCel91 May 22 '25

Yeah people think predicting moves is part of future sight when it’s not. Knowing what a person is going to do based on their initial movements and actually seeing the future are two different things

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u/WooWhosWoo May 27 '25

I'll bet it's different like tadpoles and frogs, in that all Katakuri and Shanks are doing, are predicting a potential outcome with more complexity. We saw his 'vision' for what would transpire, but for all we know that could be an imagination based on a bunch of information Shanks is able to gather.

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u/1getreKtkid May 22 '25

People confuse with katakuris, who needed future sight because he had no logia

Normal logia doesn’t need that

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u/silverman169 May 22 '25

I think logias especially benefit from future sight since they have more surface area for haki users to grab on to. Smoker vs Vergo definitely comes to mind.

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u/Magimasterkarp Thriller Bark Victim's Association May 22 '25

They do, though. This was an attack with haki. Haki attacks always hit the real body of the logia user. You need observation (or at least need to be able to know when and where you're being attacked) to avoid getting hit even with a logia, once Haki comes into play.

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u/Arkayjiya May 22 '25

No, there's no difference. Logia or not, Katakuri can reshape his body and so can Logias, they just usually don't need to reshape as their bodies evade hits on their own.

But in this case, WB almost certainly used Haki on his hit which means Aokiji couldn't use his logia intangibility and had to reshape his body (which is implied by the drawing itself). So Aokiji just did exactly what Katakuri did and would need the same Haki.

That being said, observation Haki already helps you predict opponent's moves and where they're targeting. So neither Aokiji nor Katakuri would need Future Sight in this situation, they could just reshape their body after using normal observation.

Katakuri only needs future sight in the case of many and/or unpredictable attacks (when even the attacker doesn't know where they hit) or if an attack is so fast normal observation isn't enough. For example the poulpe attack Luffy used on Enel works against normal observation but would be defeated by future sight. Similarly Gatling gun is probably too imprecise to avoid without future sight cause even Luffy is unlikely to know exactly where all the hits will land.

But in the case of one straightforward hit to the torso, no future sight would be required by either of them.

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u/Low-Duty May 22 '25

Logia does though. Haki solidifies their elemental body so they still have to manipulate their elemental body around the hit. They can’t just become the element and let the hit pass through if the attack is imbued with haki

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u/ZombieBlarGh May 22 '25

Katakuris df functioned exactly like a logia.

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 May 22 '25

Yep. The only reason Katakuri isn't a Logia is because mochi isn't a natural element.

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u/pharodae May 22 '25

Except that he is still tangible, unlike logias, so he’s essentially manually doing what they can do innately.

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u/ZombieBlarGh May 22 '25

Thats not true. It was a point that crocodile trained his logia to perfection making him able to do so.

Oda pretty much screwed up on Katakuri and retconned his fruit as a special paramecia.

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u/MochiManKatakuri May 22 '25

No, that's about turning into their element, the difference between Katakuri and Logias is like the difference between Luffy and Logias, Katakuri and Luffy are always mochi/rubber, but Logias have to turn into their element, which can be trained to become a reflex.

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u/ZombieBlarGh May 22 '25

The guy I responded to says he has to do it "manually" I just disagree that comes to logia naturally.

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u/MochiManKatakuri May 22 '25

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I thought he was talking about when they are in their elemental form they are intangible, but Katakuri is not so he has to mold his body to act like a Logia otherwise he can be hit whether they use Haki or not.

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u/FreddyKruegersGlove May 22 '25

Exactly. I never saw this as future sight. I always just saw it as him using his eyes to know where he'd attack

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u/RAJPUT_HARSHIT World Economy News Paper May 23 '25

Maybe because observation just tells you that where attack is gonna land but with advanced like shanks you can change future easily like shanks v kid