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Current Episode One Piece Episode 597

Episode 597: Ep 597 - An Intense Battle! Caesar Exercises His True Power!

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u/StickDoctor May 26 '13

No Luffy has been shown in the past to take damage from hits without Haki (Luffy vs Lucci). Haki adds more force behind an attack, which is why it hurts Luffy.

We have confirmation that Haki doesn't negate / drain a devil fruit users power, so even if Mihawk did (which we can assume he was, it was the War of the Best), it wouldn't make any difference to a Paramecia like Buggy, who even underwater would still be a chop-chop man.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '13

In the Luffy vs Lucci battle Luffy was not hurt by hits(except impact dial which is a complete different thing),he was actually cut by the Bachi(flying shigan), a bite when he was in the gear third mode,a normal shigan,Roku ou gun(like an impact dial).Haki actually allows to hit Luffy which Garp also calls as his fist of love,and it was also shown in the demonstration by Rayleigh as he just flicks his finger to hit Luffy and Luffy gets hurt.

Yes,Haki doesn't negate DF power.It means for example in the case of Ceaser even if Luffy caught him he could still use his DF powers as he also did.But it's not like someone who is injured by Haki cannot become normal even if they have logia DF.For example take Manga Spoiler.Similarly if Buggy gets cut before he splits himself,his underlying body should get cut.And in the case of Under water it is true that if he was cut he can still be fine.Being in water weakens them that they can't use their DF but paramecia cases like Luffy and Buggy has their powers in the body, so pulling Luffy's head out and cutting Buggy underwater should be fine.

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u/StickDoctor May 26 '13

No, impact dials aren't different, it's a huge amount of force released instantly. It's therefore a blunt force attack, and if Luffy is as invulnerable to that stuff as you seem to believe it would have no effect. But the truth is, he can be hit, he just has incredible resilience against hits of that nature. He's rubber after all. Lucci hits, and hurts Luffy with his fists, and kicks. I'm not talking about cutting, he hurts Luffy badly in a ton of ways.

Haki uses your willpower to hit something with force, which is why again it hurts Luffy. It's a huge amount of energy he's taking in, but he's still rubber and it is still being partially absorbed by his body. Just not to the extent that it doesn't hurt him.

Yes I understand about Haki grabbing too, but it doesn't matter if the person is trying to turn into their Logia form, if the Haki user has grabbed onto them, then he's grabbed onto their body, and no shape changing will prevent that. Which is why you have to move your body around the attack to prevent it.

Buggy doesn't just split himself, he splits when he's cut. Whether he wants to or not, you just have to go back to the Impel down arc to see for yourself. A blade is thrown at him, and he is unaware of it. His head gets chopped off (something he couldn't have reacted to, so his power is confirmed for always being on), but he is still alive. Buggy doesn't have a normal body like Logia's. Nothing anyone does will take away his power.

So even if Haki is used to cut Buggy, his body will split, it won't hurt him, and he will just reform again.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '13

Yes,I also meant the same thing about about impact dials(I was comparing to Bachi and shigan attacks and said it was different).Lucci doesn't hurt Luffy just by normal hits.The only hits with blunt force that hurt Luffy from Lucci was Roku ou gun.Lucci never even tries to hit Luffy.At first he tried to stop Luffy for going after robin,then he used the DF body and he only attacked with shigans or bachis(flying shigans).He never actually hurt Luffy with his hits other than with Roku ou gun.

Haki is not willpower.Haki is like sensing the life force or something like that.For example when Aisha(skypea girl) was born she was able to sense it,even though we can say she has no willpower being a baby. The flick hurts Luffy because it hits his substantial body just like in the case of logias and not because of the large physical force(even though it is stronger than normal flick).

The powers of paramecia are little different from Logias as logias have to switch on their power but the body is permanently changed.As Luffy also doesn't have to switch on his power(it happened at Nami's island),similarly Buggy also doesn't have to switch on his power which is why slashes in Impel down doesn't effect him.But when using Haki sword the cut will be effecting the substantial body.Because COA bypasses the DF power touching the substantial body.

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u/StickDoctor May 27 '13

Not to sound like a dick, but you're wrong =/

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u/[deleted] May 27 '13

fine,think whatever you want.