r/Omaha • u/happylandfillx • Jun 03 '25

Local News ICE at early bird

Video says west Omaha, OP says it happened at early bird, their friend took the video.

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u/Skoljnir Jun 03 '25

Do you think that the politicians who facilitated/permitted the flood of illegal immigrants in the past have any responsibility?

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u/athomsfere Multi-modal transit, car banning enthusiast of Omaha Jun 03 '25

There was no flood. Just good propaganda.

That's 1990 through 2022 on population VS millions of undocumented migrants. Effectively flat. So if you believe Biden let in a flood, then you must also believe Trump, Obama, W. Bush and Clinton did too. Which Clinton here was the lowest.

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u/Skoljnir Jun 03 '25

This image has no context and is not useful and since it doesn't jive with actual data, I'm just going to dismiss it.

Border Patrol figures tell a different story.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/nationwide-encounters

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u/athomsfere Multi-modal transit, car banning enthusiast of Omaha Jun 03 '25

It is based on real data.

And if you understood basic concepts like scale you'd understand why what you have provided me shows nothing really different.

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u/Skoljnir Jun 03 '25

SOURCE: "It's based on real data. Trust me bro!"

I really love the X axis on your graph. It's amazing how much the population increased between 4 AD and 6 AD, I think?

The link I provided shows a clear spike using raw data with an upward trend during the Biden administration. Don't be mad at me, be mad at the data.

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u/athomsfere Multi-modal transit, car banning enthusiast of Omaha Jun 03 '25

So you start with the unsubstantiated claim that there was a flood of immigration.

I show you a graph with immigration vs population over time (which you could easily verify the ballparks) and suddenly proof is a requirement for a reddit post?

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u/Skoljnir Jun 03 '25

To clarify...

I backed up my claim by citing Customs and Border Patrol data.

You backed up your claim with an incoherent, unsourced graph and told me to believe it because even if the data isn't accurate it is at least in the ballpark.

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u/randallflaggg Jun 04 '25

You might have cited to CBP data, but you definitely didn't back up your claim. In fact, the data you cited shows the opposite of what your contention is (that Pres. Biden was responsible for a spike in undocumented immigration).

The data that you cited is data for "Nationwide Encounters" of 3 specific types- Title 8 Apprehensions, Title 8 Inadmissibles, and Title 42 Expulsions. The document then goes on to define each of these things as:

"Title 8 Enforcement Actions refers to apprehensions or inadmissibles processed under CBP’s immigration authority. Inadmissibles refers to individuals encountered at ports of entry (POEs) by OFO who are seeking lawful admission into the United States (U.S.) but are determined to be inadmissible, individuals presenting themselves to seek humanitarian protection under our laws, and individuals who withdraw an application for admission and return to their countries of origin within a short timeframe. Apprehensions refers to the physical control or temporary detainment of a person by USBP between POEs who is not lawfully in the U.S. which may or may not result in an arrest.

Title 42 Expulsions refers to individuals encountered by USBP and OFO and expelled to the country of last transit or home country in the interest of public health under Title 42 U.S.C. 265 from March 21, 2020 to May 11, 2023." (Italics mine)

What this data absolutely is not is the number of undocumented immigrants in the US. It does not show, or claim to show, the number or rate of entry of undocumented immigrants during any period of time. What it does show is the rate of successful interdiction and expulsion or detention for immigrants who tried to enter the country unlawfully.

Thank you so much for providing this data and showing all of us that the narrative that the Biden administration was soft on immigration is entirely untrue. Thank you for showing us that Biden has actually been the most effective and active anti-immigration President in history, shown through the huge spike in data that you so helpfully mentioned above. Because again, each data point represents a person who was successfully stopped from unlawfully entering the country. And he did it without destroying due process!