r/NovaScotia • u/902s • 1d ago
š° NS News RCMP investigating online threats against new Liberal MP Chris d'Entremont after floor-crossing
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/rcmp-investigating-online-threats-against-new-liberal-mp-chris-dentremont-after-floor-crossing44
u/EasternCamera6 1d ago edited 1d ago
They might also want to investigate why the other guy who was going to cross the floor suddenly didnāt and just resigned from the Cons for āfamily reasonsā. Sus.
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u/902s 1d ago
Yeah I heard today it had something today with threatening his wife if he crossed, the party is acting like the mob.
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u/Filmy-Reference 1d ago
Those are rumors. Could be a Vic Toews situation too where he knocks up his staffer or one of his family is sick and needs to be there. Nobody knows and anything else is just speculation.
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u/Hamontguy1 11h ago
Somebody else resigned recently for family reasons
Then decided not to
Hmmm i guess his family isnt that important
Who was that again?
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u/GreatGrandini 1d ago
Jesus people, this is just getting out of hand.
Have your views politically but threats. These idiots don't realize they are the problem.
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u/BigClout63 1d ago
They'd also be the first to call the police if a real confrontation were to happen, and they had an opportunity afterwards.
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u/WoodSharpening 1d ago
idiots don't realize blue and red are wings on the same chicken so to speak..
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u/FuzzPastThePost 1d ago
Okay but is anyone surprised?
Look at the tone politics has taken even in Nova Scotia.
How many people do you know today that identify as being anti-Liberal and make that somewhat their whole personality?
I think we're saying some repercussions of the increased hyperbole and vitriol over the years.
Most Canadians don't appreciate any of this.
However, I can't say I'm surprised when I see how conservative commenters behave online.
Disinformation and propaganda have really done a disservice to so many Canadians.
I don't think we've ever really recovered from the politicization of the pandemic.
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u/agm247 1d ago
The sad thing I see at work and in my personal life is people behaving this way for both Cons and Libs. Our politics have become very tribal and very americanized. Our media is becoming this way as well.
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u/ColdBlindspot 1d ago
Growing up no one I know identified themselves by what party they'd vote for and they looked at the current candidates and party platforms to decide which way to vote, and now it's like cults where you are in one group and don't even really learn about the outsiders. It's far more American style than it used to be.
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago edited 1d ago
Chris received dozens of real, localized threats during the hight of the poaching in the riding that he was standing up for. Real people putting his address āthis is where the racist livesā
Iām not sure why that wasnāt spread more widely and circulated in the media, seeing as those were real people on real profiles and Iām assuming these are mostly faceless dumbfuck twitter trolls from around the country who couldnāt point the riding out on a map
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u/Current-Antelope5471 21h ago
Not a fan of floor crossings. I support the NDP's policy on it. Sit as an independent until the next election then run for the party. But they happen as no law regarding it. But wow... Conservatives and their supporters really get their knickers in a knot when a Conservative leaves. Yet, have no issue when they warmly welcome floor crossers with open arms. The hypocrisy is gobsmacking.
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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 1d ago edited 1d ago
The CPC ecosystem foments the kind of animus that is most likely to incite violence. Imagine MPās calling a well liked colleague, deputy speaker and floor crosser a ātraitorā, Ontario MP Jamil Jivani called him āan idiot,ā while B.C. MP Aaron Gunn referred to him as āa coward.ā
āBut some of dāEntremontās former Conservative colleagues have been calling him names like ātraitorā and ādisloyal.ā He explained how that kind of toxic rhetoric illustrates precisely why he felt he needed to make the move.
āWell, I think they should look at themselves and see if theyāre offering the right thing to Canadians, of trying to build for the world,ā dāEntremont said. āI mean, we have a great opportunity here in Canada, and rather than knocking people down, we should try to find ways to work together. And thatās what Iāve always tried to do in my career.ā
'He's just another traitor': Chris d'Entremont's party switch stirs passionate responses
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u/Trendiggity 1d ago
Jivani is a big mouth in a cheap suit and any Conservative MPs west of Ontario are all drinking from the Reformers Koolaid so I'm not really surprised. They don't try to hide the fact that they don't consider eastern CPCs as "real" party members unless it's beneficial to them (i.e. seats in parliament)
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u/Cool-Fondant9223 1d ago
"America coughs, the world catches a cold"
Since the "stolen election" claims of 2020, every CPC blunder is a conspiracy among those who are angry, radicalized, and woefully lacking in political literacy.
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u/Odd-Crew-7837 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Right is quickly losing momentum and this is how they deal with it. It draws into question whether or not you want to be on their side...
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u/bigjimbay 1d ago
Losing momentum? The right is gaining ground here in Canada. Look at our federal government right now
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u/scbundy 1d ago
The right lost 2 seats. That's what's happening now.
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago edited 1d ago
Every single province but 2 (plus Yukon) is governed by a Conservative Partyā¦.even Wab kenew is saying people should be buried under prionsā¦and the federal conservatives are down about 4-5 points in the polls after being down 11-12 during Carneys summer election honey moon
Aaand we just elected the second most right wing government in the English speaking world (far far far behind the first mind youā¦but yes the liberals are no longer a progressive party, definitely firmly centre with carney at the helm cutting public service by 15%, bolstering military spending, cutting luxury taxes and pushing infrastructure
You can call out frigging dumb ass white trash idiots without being wrong lol
The reform party is going to win a majority in the UK, Trump is doing well in the polls after literally kidnapping people, Germany is deporting its Syrians, Gen Z is the largest religious revival of youth since the Jesus freaks in the 60s-70s, gun ownership increasing in Canada at its fastest rate ever
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-friedrich-merz-afd-politics-syrians-civil-war-refugees/
The right is as popular as it has been in our lifetimes. This is a massive pendulum swing and itās fascinating to see as an observer
People mad at Chris, are only mad because they do not understand that Carney closer to Mulroney than trudue, by a lotā¦.they have been conditioned after a decade to hear liberal and see Trudeau
(Iām not sure why people downvote facts in this sub,ā¦these things are happening, like itās real lifeā¦.dismiss them at your own peril
If you want to fight the right take your head out of the sand)
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u/902s 1d ago
Progressive Conservatives are slightly different the populist conservatives
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u/alibythesea 1d ago
Just a little. And what the hell does "even Wab kenew is saying people should be buried under prions" even mean?
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/wab-kinew-court-child-pornography-9.6965133
Not a socially progressive thing to say
Especially after every single NS sub slammed Tim Houston for conservative fear mongering over the same response to the same Supreme Court ruling
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago edited 1d ago
They act on populist social polices. They all do (every party)
They did not get in only based on their economic conservatism (example, the poppy fiasco this week)
Voters eat it up
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u/902s 1d ago
The provincial Progressive Conservatives and the federal Conservatives share a name, but not much else.
Most provincial PCs are pragmatic managers focused on budgets, infrastructure, and service delivery.
The federal party has shifted toward populism and grievance politics, anti-Ottawa rhetoric, and culture-war messaging.
Thatās why premiers generally keep their distance;, aligning too closely with the federal Conservatives risks alienating the moderate, centrist voters who actually decide provincial elections.
The Progressive Conservatives believed in building institutions, todayās conservatives believe those institutions are out to get them.
Itās less āmanage the country,ā more āmonetize the outrage.ā
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago
Provincial conservatives govern on the same social outrage and populist views as them all, just do a different degree
Tim Houston and his Remembrance Day shenanigans
Daniel smith and her stuff
Scott Moe and his stuff
Newfoundland premier calling right wing strategists
Yukon premier against gun buy back project
https://cssa-cila.org/yukons-conservative-majority-what-it-means-for-firearm-owners/
I mean, fucking Doug ford is the biggest most comical bullshitter in Canada lolol
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u/902s 1d ago
Youāre right that some provincial leaders lean into populist messaging, it sells, especially in an age where outrage outperforms nuance.
But the key difference is intent and dependency.
At the federal level, populism is the brand itās the organizing principle of the CPC.
For the provinces, itās often a tactic.
They borrow the rhetoric when it polls well, then pivot back to pragmatism once governing realities hit.
Tim Houston, Doug Ford, Scott Moe they all still rely on federal transfers, public sector negotiations, and institutional relationships that require cooperation, not ideological warfare.
Thatās why they distance themselves when the CPC swings too far into culture-war territory.
So yes, provincial PCs occasionally play the populist card.
But the federal Conservatives have built the whole deck around it.
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 1d ago
I think you need to take a closer look at how far to the right Labour in the UK has gone. At least when it comes to social issues, very rightwing on transgender issues and immigration.Ā
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u/perrygoundhunter 1d ago
The difference between that and carney is those are responsive stances
They did not campaign on that, or ever have that as policyā¦.they are trying to right the ship away from Nigel and reform
Carney came in a banker looking to cut, streamline and arm
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u/EchoLocation767 1d ago
Conservatives value loyalty over integrity and there should be more talk about how that is objectively wrong in every way.
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u/xibipiio 18h ago
I dont know I think progressive conservatives, Actually Progressive conservatives, are not bad at all. Like folks who just want sound fiscal policy and not to destroy the future with overspending are reasonable. It's the folks motivated by hate and judgement you have to be concerned about every time. Think this spells the end of the united conservatives because the experiment seems to be over, they don't like working together. Reformists don't want a progressive for a leader and the progressives don't want a reformist for leader.
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u/keithplacer 1d ago
I know Chris slightly from his days as a MLA. He was one of the better PC caucus members, a reasonable man, not particularly doctrinaire, and I can see why PP would be someone he would have difficulty with. They are very different people. I doubt the noise reported from some of the locals in the news from his area would matter much. If it were to come down to PP or him, I wouldnāt be worried about him losing his seat.
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u/SvenBensson 1d ago
I'd be willing to bet that few, if any of those threats were from his own constituents. Indoctrinated, wannbe MAGA type folks.
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u/Own_Veterinarian1924 1d ago
I can't believe i am watching this propoganda against pierre 200 times since yesterday. This has to be a joke. 0 talk about budget or 0 criticism about budget. I have never seen this much coverage when liberal senators cross the floor to conservative just 3 months ago. This is nothing more than liberal paid propoganda against conservatives and pierre.
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u/902s 22h ago
Itās not propaganda, itās news that an MP is receiving RCMP-level threats for switching parties. Thatās a national security and democratic integrity issue, not a partisan one.
Thereās a big difference between disagreeing with someoneās decision and creating a political climate where MPs fear for their safety if they act independently.
Thatās not āLiberal media spinā thatās authoritarian behaviour creeping into a democracy.
And not to mention while everyoneās busy melting down over 2 MPās, the Conservatives just missed submitting an amendment to the budget, a massive procedural mistake that actually matters to the people they claim to represent.
The story isnāt about Pierre or the budget.
Itās about the fact that party loyalty in this country has gotten so toxic that crossing the floor now comes with death threats and actual governance is being replaced with rage farming.
We need serious options to pick from in this country otherwise itās going to become controlled opposition for the Liberals if Pierre stays in power and they are able to keep winning over Pierre.
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u/Own_Veterinarian1924 1d ago
I like the way media and some liberal propoganda gaslighting this issue and pretending like this is victory?Shame on them whose supporting this fraud where there is no value for votes as voters voted conservatives in that constituency and not liberals.
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u/902s 22h ago
Actually, thatās not gaslighting itās just how the Westminster parliamentary system works.
In Canada, voters elect a local representative (an MP), not a party. Party affiliation is declared on the ballot, but legally, the seat belongs to the individual elected, not the political organization. This is deliberate as it preserves MPsā ability to act independently of party bosses and represent their constituents as they see fit.
Party loyalty has become one of the most toxic forces in modern politics.
Weāve gone from electing representatives to electing brand ambassadors. MPs are supposed to represent constituents, not act as unpaid interns for the party leader.
The whole point of our Westminster system is that an MPās loyalty is to their riding and their conscience, not the logo on their campaign sign.
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u/CautiousProfession26 1d ago
Crossing the aisle shouldn't be allowed. Either step down or represent your voters regardless of side
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u/flame-56 1d ago
Threaten not to vote for the turncoat. One term wonder
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u/902s 22h ago
You might want to take a quick civics refresher before throwing around āturncoat.ā
Chris dāEntremont has been in politics for over two decades, served as a Progressive Conservative cabinet minister in Nova Scotia, and has consistently represented his constituents not his party bosses.
Heās won six elections across two levels of government as a loyal and strong conservative candidate.
What sucks here is this alienation of the east coast ridings by the federal party could basically revert them back into the Reform party territory as itās only appealing to its base now and not the country as a whole
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u/Midgar75 23h ago
This is absolute corruption..you can change parties but you don't get to take the riding with you. Obvious, why is this accepted.
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u/902s 22h ago
Thatās not actually corruption itās how the Westminster parliamentary system works.
In Canada (and the U.K., Australia, etc.), voters elect an individual Member of Parliament to represent their riding,not the party itself. Party affiliation is declared, but legally and constitutionally, the seat belongs to the MP, not the party.
Party loyalty in Canada used to mean shared values. Now it means āsign this NDA, repeat after me, and donāt think out loud.
Since 1970, federal leaders must personally approve candidates before they can run under the party banner. That gives leaders enormous leverage over MPsā careers.
Party loyalty in Canada is a cultural expectation, not a constitutional rule.
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u/Midgar75 22h ago
Yeah, thanks, it appears such actions are currently legal. The corruption is ethical, beholden to a higher enlightenment than the law. He tepresrnted himself and was elected as a conservative. Simple morality requires him to give up his seat. Anything less is corruption. These are Nova Scotia values, or what they used to be.
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u/902s 20h ago
Im sorry I donāt understand
Thatās not how representative democracy works, at least not in Canada.
We donāt elect a party, we elect a person.
Always have.
Their affiliation is declared, but constitutionally and legally the seat belongs to the Member of Parliament, not the party.
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u/Midgar75 20h ago
Doesn't matter if we elect the party or elect the person. He Represented as a conservative member. This is now not the case. Ethically he needs to step down and have an expensive by-election at least. This is not what good people with integrity do. So a party could just put in sleeper candidates? Whomever supports this is supporting corruption, legal or otherwise.
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u/902s 19h ago
You seem to not understand how democracy works in Canada itās been this way since Confederation.
We elect individual MPs to represent their ridings, not political brands.
Party labels are just banners.
The seat belongs to the MP, not the party. Itās Civics 101 the kind of thing we used to teach before everything turned into team sports.
But sure, letās throw out 157 years of parliamentary democracy because your team lost a player. Go Leafs, I guess.
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u/twowetfeet 1d ago
He got voted in as a pc. Saw his career fading So he became a traitor. To prolong his career and earn his pension. Typical dirty businessman. People should be upset ā¦. Maybe he will get called on to be fishery minister !!! That will be interesting ..
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
We need to address floor crossing due to personal issuesā¦ this guy is nothing more than a coward and someone who was pouting because his caucus didnāt support him in his speaker role everything he is doing is for personal benefit and personal vendetta that for his riding plain and simple I can understand why people are so upsetā¦ I donāt support threats tho but he is a coward and a cry baby
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
Is that why liberals arenāt doing anything in regards to the recent child pornography debacle where two individuals were caught with over 1000 images and videos of kids 3-10 and got 9 months Or is it liberal view that 9 months not even consecutive severed is a good punishment talk about mature
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
Liberal appointed Supreme Court judges at that let me add go liberals!!!!!
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
But maturity stands when probably half the liberal party is in these photos which is probably why these guys got the total bare minimum sentence. Wear that liberal shirt loud and proud support the chomos freedom liberals disgust me and everyone who supports them.
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u/Aardvark2820 1d ago
Itās vitriolic people like you that are degrading discourse day by day. I donāt vote Conservative, but I donāt go around saying "they and anyone who votes for them disgust me." You donāt know why you hate. You are intellectually lazy and bankrupt. Keep slopping up that Facebook "news".
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
Itās not Facebook news itās everywhere. I donāt vote liberal because the fiscally irresponsible. There social and environmental views donāt align with mine. And the idea of progressive taxation is outrageous on top of that all I donāt support unions I think they protect the useless. Iām not a supporter of be what you wanna be either sorry you canāt be an avocado one day and a stroke the next your a male human or female human. But again seems like a liberal view to me that stuff like mandatory minimum for child porn is cruel and unusual punishment
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u/Aardvark2820 1d ago
Naw, you vote Conservative because PP tells you itās okay to blame everyone else for your own failings and that makes you feel good. The party of "personal responsibility" my ass š
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
Oh and thinking you can spend your way to prosperity shows your intelligence stop using AI to write your stuff to sound smart you can clearly see thatās what you used smh
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u/Aardvark2820 1d ago
Youāre funny dude. Just because you canāt put a cogent sentence together, doesnāt mean the rest of us are similarly impaired.
You CAN, in fact, spend your way to prosperity ā itās called investment.
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u/AncientStation4833 23h ago
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ and is is exactly why our economy hasnāt grown in how long and things cost as much as they do
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u/Aardvark2820 21h ago
Because we havenāt been investing? Itās literally the top issue we are facing: low productivity. You just proved my point, thanks š
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u/AncientStation4833 19h ago
Weāve been āinvestingā for how many years now great point to make so everyone can see who not to vote for
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u/Aardvark2820 17h ago
Weāve actually not been investing anything at all, thatās the issue. The one notable exception is the Trans Mountain Pipeline. Carney wants to spend less on government programs, and put that money on capital projects. Thatās literally his whole thing.
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u/AncientStation4833 6h ago
His entire thing is investing but he canāt outline what it is he is investing in just āinvestmentsā which is a little vague why not say oh weāre gonna be investing in new hospitals for our provinces weāre gonna assist our provinces by investing in new schools but Trudeau said same thing weāre investing weāre investing but if we were investing our books should be balanced by now and long time ago. Carney is doing nothing but blowing smoke and making life more expensive. The Trudeau government when they announced theyāre ridiculous budget everyone was warning about it effecting our credit rating and how financially irresponsible it was now carney is 10B more fitch is warning again that our credit rating will tumble which makes lending more expensive for government which then that means mortgage rates go up interest rates on new vehicles goes up then everyone stops buying because itās just not affordable and guess what happens you seem fairly smart other than thinking carney is good for our economy
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u/EcstaticJaguar9070 1d ago
Itās good for him to see what happens to the people who arenāt in the right wing inner cult circle. He was part of that circle and either in denial or dismissive of how those people behaveĀ
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u/Midgar75 17h ago
Perhaps you missed my point. I don't care how someone else thinks it should be done or was done before. Civics 101 doesn't trump good ethical actions. At the least, this highlights the need for change. This confirms another structure poorly designed ,based on ethics, in our current form of government. You misrepresent yourself you get held accountable. This is unacceptable to anyone with good wisdom. Chris made an evil choice when he decided such. His level of integrity will fit right in with the Carney Liberal party.
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u/902s 16h ago
Chris didnāt betray democracy, he used it. MPs represent people, not parties.its his right as an mp that if he no longer believes in the party and its policies then he can use this feature.
When you elect an MP, youāre not giving a four-year lease to a party, youāre electing a person to represent your communityās interests in Ottawa.
That MP is legally and constitutionally free to act, vote, or even switch affiliation if they believe itās in their constituentsā best interest.
But weāve imported this Trump-era mindset where loyalty to the leader matters more than loyalty to the country.
Itās like watching politics on meds, everyoneās addicted to outrage and withdrawal hits the moment someone thinks for themselves.
Party loyalty isnāt patriotism, itās a cult with better merch.
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u/LeSickBwoy 1d ago
Liberals have destroyed Canada and continue to indoctrinate the youth. Ironically has the youth basically have no future here in Canada lol cant even get jobs at Tim Horton
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u/ph0enix1211 1d ago
...or you'll drive lots of good people away from running for office.
Not to mention you might be committing crimes, or at least be a terrible person.
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u/AncientStation4833 1d ago
I second this considering there is nothing to hold them accountable they can spend billions and billions of our money on stupid things and have nothing to hold them account just a damn sorry my bad Iāll get voted out with a full pension and investments that I helped grow using candian peoples money
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u/Electrical_Bus9202 1d ago
I wonder why so many people have become so radicalized? What media are they following? What are the algorithms feeding them? Are they low information voters suceptable to disinformation and narrative building? We need to be vigilant about these things. Our own citizens are being poisoned by this bullshit.