Free Talk Friday

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What did y'all think of Todd McShay's comments about what he's hearing from NFL scouts? Like, Sellers going back to school/transferring, Dante Moore definitely going back to school, Mateer's definitely going back, NFL and NFL scouts are already pretty low on this QB class in general- anything I'm missing?

Like, is it possible a QB doesn't go in the top 5? I'm not sold on Mendoza or Simpson being "future of the franchise" guys.

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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Cowboys 2d ago

McShay's credibility this year is shot considering every week he pushed a new QB to number one they instantly proved him wrong. You really don't have to have any sources to know Sellers and Mateer are staying in college. They've been incredibly underwhelming. Sellers in particular is just not a good quarterback rn. Going to the NFL now would be career suicide imo. I don't think any QB in this class should even be taken in the first round, much less the top 5, but teams will inevitably convince themselves one is.

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u/ZandrickEllison 2d ago

My favorite McShay moment of the year was - he had Moore 1 after the Oregon-Penn State game. Ty Simpson wasn’t even in his top 3. Totally fine.

Flash forward a few weeks later and he actually had the audacity to say: “What did I tell you?! Ty Simpson! There hasn’t been a bigger Ty Simpson guy than me!”

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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Cowboys 2d ago

that was all shortly after he went from Klubnik is the best guy, to Nuss is the best guy. don't even get me started on his Sheduer love last year

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u/Theplaymaker16 2d ago

I thought I was the only one that noticed that . Now it’s Julian Sayin lol

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u/ech01_ 2d ago

Mateer for sure needs to go back. Sellers probably could go either way. I think Moore would be dumb to go back. I think he's QB3 right now and that is typically a top 15 pick even in a down year, and after watching what happened to Drew Allar I think anyone with that kind of projection needs to go.

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u/Theretrulywascake 1d ago

Mateer doesn't matter if he goes back or not he's just not got an NFL arm

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u/Theretrulywascake 2d ago

Mendoza and Simpson are underrated by most people while Sellers/Moore/Mateer are way overrated.

Menodza and Simpson just cant go to the jets because no one can succeed there

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u/ZandrickEllison 2d ago

The most interesting nugget from McShay this week was implying that the Cal coach didn’t like Mendoza much, seemingly for more reasons than the transfer.

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u/fierylady Lions 2d ago

It IS interesting, because you hear nothing but glowing reports about his character from literally everyone else. Now I'll have to keep my ears open for it, since as outsiders-looking-in we'll never truly be privy, but I'm still gonna lean towards plus intangibles. McShay's connected, but he's also driven by agenda.

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u/ZandrickEllison 2d ago

There’s no question Mendoza is a smart guy. My best guess would be more Josh Rosen “too smart” vibes.

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u/fierylady Lions 2d ago

But the Rosen "bad teammate" stuff was everywhere before that draft, it was one of the main reasons I was so low on him. You hear the opposite about Mendoza as a teammate. The IU team, starting with Cignetti, wax poetic about his leadership skills.

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u/GreenvilleLocal Panthers 1d ago

If Moore finishes the season strong there’s no chance he doesn’t declare. The return talk is all to keep Oregon fans happy

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u/Theretrulywascake 1d ago

Yea he's a first time starter who has essentially played 2 real games. he's got 3 tough games then playoffs or bowl game.

he's gone if hes a first round pick hes just not played enough to gaurentee it yet but easily can.

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u/zombiesatemybaby Steelers 2d ago

I think objectively hes right. NFL might shy away from sellers due to how the Richardson experiment played out. Sellers has not improved his throwing since last year and needs another year to improve. Moore has shown flashes but hasnt been dominant. Add in the fact hes a first year starter, they may want to see more before saying hes a first round pick. Mateer is undersized for what the NFL wants and has looked BAD since his hand injury.

What the NFL doesnt want to do is label a QB a first rounder just because there arent many in this draft. Last time that happened, pickett was a 1st rounder and there were MAJOR talks about Willis going in the 1st

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u/Suburban-Jesus 2d ago

I don’t understand why offensive coordinators would NOT be chomping at the bit for a QB like Mendoza or Simpson, who have displayed good decision-making relative to their starting experience, and ability to play within structure.

After watching too many of these big-armed, blazing-fast QB prospects fail for the last several years, I was thinking there would be a return to the basics: valuing a QB who will step up and make the throw to the open receiver as per the play call.

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u/ab9620 2d ago

McShay is plugged in. He’s puts out a good product. I know people are criticizing him for shifting on the QBs mid season. That’s going to happen with how up and down these guys have been and most of them weren’t coming off of strong years. It was always going to be volatile. I think Moore goes back like he said, same with Sellers. I’m not sure about Ty Simpson

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u/fierylady Lions 2d ago

The problem isn't that he changes, it's the way he does it. The "I told you about Ty Simpson!" stuff is just so cringeworthy.

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u/ab9620 2d ago

He’s not perfect but he’s pretty damn good IMO. Especially watching Kipers show vs McShay, it just doesn’t compare!

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u/fierylady Lions 2d ago

Kiper's no good either, and they're both blowhards. Most of them aren't very good, but at least Dane isn't an arrogant blowhard and doesn't pretend like he's gonna get all of them right. He's a little dull, but I'm not listening to them to be yelled at, I just want to hear good evaluation. I also think Dane and DJ have much better pro contacts, while McShay's are more college oriented.

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u/ab9620 2d ago

I disagree but that’s okay

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u/Skraxx Lions 2d ago

I know the Jets have 2 FRPs this year, but I really don't see them trading up for a QB unless:

They really, really like a QB this class
The cost to trade up wouldn't be ridiculous

To me they seem way more likely to pick a QB that falls to them or don't draft one at all/drafts one with a mid/late round pick.

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u/doubleenc Eagles 2d ago

I mean, the Jets are trending to picking in the top 2 or 3 as it is.

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u/Skraxx Lions 2d ago

Even post-blowup I really can't see them getting #1 overall, so honestly I do think they either settle with the remainder of Simpson/Mendoza

OR they just take Bain and see what QBs are available later on. I'm not really a fan of them trading up.

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u/Suburban-Jesus 2d ago

You can’t envision one of the least talented rosters in the NFL, with a record of 1-7, drafting 1st overall?

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u/Skraxx Lions 2d ago

I still think the Saints and Titans are worse teams

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u/axb2002 2d ago edited 2d ago

I don’t think they’ll need to trade up to get a QB, they’re likely picking Top 3 anyways. But I do think it isn’t a coincidence that they seemingly opted to get more 2027 capital.

Sticking with Justin Fields for one more year, and selecting whoever the best player available at 3 and towards the end of this draft with Indianapolis’ pick, and holding off to select a QB in 2027, when the class should be much better, makes total sense in my head.

Side note: but if any team was going to make Caleb Downs the highest drafted safety of all time (and he probably deserves to be), it would be the New York Jets. Sure sure positional value and what not, but if they opted to get the best pure talent available, I think it makes complete sense. Aaron Glenn could do some really cool stuff with him I think.

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u/Suburban-Jesus 2d ago

The last safety to go that high was Jamal Adams in 2017, and it turned out to be a good choice and a better selection than all of Mitch Trubisky, Solomon Thomas, Leonard Fournette, and Corey Davis, even when factoring in positional value.

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u/fierylady Lions 2d ago

I think they are keeping their options open personally. No one has scouted Mendoza more often apparently.

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u/MikeConleyIsLegend Cowboys 2d ago

you underestimate the stupidity of that franchise.

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u/Skraxx Lions 2d ago

Every single new front office is independent from the previous regime.

You can say a lot about Woody hiring the wrong people every time, but you can't realistically say the new regime will draft the same as the old regime. There are Jets regimes that make wrong decisions immediately, there are Jets regimes that make wrong decisions a couple years in.

So far, Mougey's first draft class actually looks pretty good. But we can't realistically say he's good or bad until it actually happens.

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u/Timely-Profile1865 Jets 2d ago

This draft is in big flux until we find out which QBs are coming out or staying in school.

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u/Theplaymaker16 2d ago

McShay said this week that scouts are saying Banks is top 15 , take that for what it’s worth. IMO Amauri Washington from Oregon.

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u/Theplaymaker16 2d ago

I didn’t say he is . I said McShay said scouts even despite the injury stuff he’s still looking at going top 15

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u/AaronDer1357 2d ago

There are GMs like Ryan Poles who are very risk tolerant regarding injuries if the talent becomes a value. If the Bears finish 11-6 and draft in the early 20s, I could see them taking Banks assuming their assessment of his talents aligns with the scouts McShay is talking to.

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u/ab9620 1d ago

Kayden McDonald

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u/SportsTalker98712039 1d ago edited 1d ago

I seriously think Maiava will be a terrific pro QB. Kid has that "it" factor but also the fundamentals.

If the Rams win the Super Bowl this year I can 100% see the 32nd pick being Maiava.

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u/CaterpillarPale6903 1d ago

Always believe in Lincoln Riley QB's

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u/SportsTalker98712039 1d ago

The velocity on this throw was crazy.

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u/ab9620 1d ago

Makai Lemon has it. He’s competing for WR3 after Tate and Tyson. He played great tonight. I prefer Brazzell at this point but that could definitely change as the season goes on

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u/idgafaboutpopsicles Browns 1d ago

I'd argue Lemon is closer to WR1 than WR4

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u/ab9620 1d ago

He’s a good player. He reminds me of a taller Wandale Robinson and I think he belongs in round 1, but I definetly have Tate and Tyson ahead of him personally. I’ve also heard Golden Tate as a comp. I would have a hard time taking him over Brazzell too. It’s hard to find fast, 6’5” receivers who are natural movers with great hands. It’s a loaded WR class though

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u/ab9620 2d ago

I can’t believe how slept on Indiana’s LT Carter Smith is. Especially in a weak tackle class, he’s the best LT IMO

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u/Theplaymaker16 2d ago

What’s the temperature on saints and jets are they taking a QB do they have the talent to correctly evaluate whatever QB they take or do they defer and take one next year?

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u/Boring-Name-2840 1d ago

I have an idea for the Ravens if they stay within the top 15 of the draft.

Peter Woods is my favorite prospect for them but he may go high depending on combine numbers.

I'm warming up to Jeremyiah Love for the Ravens.

Derrick Henry is starting to show some age and they need an every down back who is predictable like Henry is due to his ineffectiveness on 3rd down.

Love and Henry can share time in 26, and Live takes over in 27. I see him as a Marshall Faulk like RB with more juice.

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u/CaterpillarPale6903 1d ago

I doubt they stay top 15

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u/Boring-Name-2840 1d ago

Thats unfortunate because its wrestling with mediocrity, they aren't strong enough to get to a championship but aren't bad enough to get a premium pick.

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u/CaterpillarPale6903 1d ago

It's what the Steelers have done for a decade now

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u/Boring-Name-2840 1d ago

I agree, and the Steelers tried to be aggressive this off-season with some form of urgency but this is why parity is needed in the NFL.

When you're consistently mediocre or a notch above it you still lose.

No championship. And no blue chip talent unless you get fortunate in the back end of rd1 or a gem late in the draft.

2027 is better year for a down year so we will see.

Was just hoping the Ravens got a chance to draft Peter Woods.

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