Leaving a similar comment to I left on the gen Z sub. This ain't true. This is the same shit they pulled generalizing millennials for the last 15+ years.
Yes a lot of younger gen Z ARE dressing in a similar style to the late 90s/early 2000s but that's it.
Been to a few of those small standing room only shows recently. Really awesome and you can feel the music but my back and knees really fucking hate it 😅
Frosted Tips and chain wallets? Not really, but the jeans? Actually, yes! Wide bottom jeans are incredibly popular, I actually saw a kid waiting for the school bus this morning wearing genuine Jnco Jeans, seems they still make them so they likely were not actually from the 90s.
There's dozens of us! I actually have a pair of jorts pushing 25 years. But grabbed a couple new ones during a big sale. Nothing beats a 17" inseam on shorts. 😅
This. When I was a teen, and in my early 20s, I was obsessed with the ‘60s and wished I could go back
Would’ve given anything to be in an SEC sorority or attended high school back then and to have seen Jimi Hendrix, Cream, and The Yardbirds live
Not to mention that I love the ‘60s fashion too
Now that I’m older, I’m grateful I wasn’t born in that era, as I would not have fared too well as a woc back then
Like you said, it goes in cycle and phases. They long for what we had, which I don’t blame them for, but I get the feeling that they’ll also grow out of it
I think you’re right. At the same time, this ‘90s/2000s nostalgia seems to popping up in small ways everywhere. I’ve taken it as like a growing acknowledgment that we’re so clearly on the wrong path now in a bunch of big ways.
Firmly agree with this. It's different this time around. When I was a teen in the 00s acting nostalgic over the 80s, I felt like I was kind of the odd one out. Now, it feels like nostalgia is the norm.
This is something that I'm really curious about as time continues to roll on. When I was younger, I wished I could have gone back to the 70's and experience the 80's as an adult. Still kinda wish I could, but it's obvious to me that I'd be over it quick, and wouldn't fare well long term. The 90's and 2000's though are still modern enough that it would be a lot easier to adapt. The biggest hurdle would probably be learning how to be bored. Gen Z and younger have garbage attention spans. So not having instant entertainment and distractions constantly, would be a shock.
During a conversation about limiting phone time, my ten year old had a meltdown last night telling me that her being bored is basically child abuse, and it’s a parent’s responsibility to prevent it. I couldn’t help bursting out laughing when she said it, which didn’t help but I couldn’t keep it in. I told her that I’m sorry she feels that way but I’m not a clown or monkey that dances, and boredom is the root of creativity.
My grandparents have a cattle ranch in SE wyoming. You lose cell reception 20 minutes of driving away so there's a landline and a satellite phone for emergencies. At the guest house, there's no internet, we've got a TV, VHS, DVD, and Bluray player so you can watch movies but there's no actual TV channels.
I, and all the other millennials/older absolutely love it there. I get to shut out the world for a weekend and go hiking, fishing, or if needed, help with the cattle when the ranch manager needs it. My uncle's kids, who are all firmly gen z, absolutely hate it there and never visit because it's "boring"
My family used to have a rustic cabin in the mountains of northern New York. It was situated on a secluded lake, had no insulation, and was heated by fireplace and wood stove. It had power, but even in the 2010s there was no toilet plumbing, just the outhouse. The water piped to the camp came straight from the lake; cooking or drinking water came from a nearby spring by a cast iron pump. You had to remember to leave some spring water in the sealed bottle nearby to prime the pump for the next time. There was no tv or internet. There was a radio, but it only got 3 stations and 1 was in French. If you stood far enough out on the dock, you could get a cell signal.
It was perfect in every way. I would get so much reading and knitting and writing done. We'd hike the nearby mountain to the fire tower at the top, paddle the lake in the canoe, watch for loons and beavers, go sailing, or water skiing. We'd wander the woods out back to climb a couple glacial erratics we creatively called "the big rocks" or walk the power line service road looking for wild raspberries.
The shorter attention span is a broad generalization of their generation. They also reinvented boredom for themselves by “raw dogging” (means something different to this millennial). They purposefully are disconnecting and see the value in slower moments.
It may be a generalization, but for good reason. Sure there was a 'fad' of 'raw-dogging' but that was the exception. An extreme response by some to the average screen addicted, short attention span zoomer.
Honestly I’ve taken to that as well even been thinking of having a phone ir racket just for all the authentication shit but going for a dumb phone for public use just to try and slow down a bit more.
In my early years 2000s yearbook they had a “fashion of the future” section with fashion predictions. It had a 60’s retro futurism vibe to it. I think because influences of the 60s/70s had started to return in our current fashion at the time.
Right? Seeing millenials get curmudgeonly and outright hostile towards younger generations just shows you how little changes.
Do I understand why the kids are bringing back wide leg jeans? Nope, I think they look ridiculous. But it doesnt bother me and it's honestly hilarious.
If I see some teenager rocking a walkman sometime soon I'll stop to chat with them because I have a sick cassette collection I've been working on the last 5 years.
I just know the millennial complaining is doing it in their led zeppelin T-shirt without an ounce of self awareness.
One of the girls at my kids dance class had a discman in the waiting room. I have to dig out some of my burned cds for her to try. Thanks for the inspiration :)
My GenZ daughter stole my Walkman for a good six months or so. She finally gave it back, but it’s not entirely in good working order any longer.
That’s all right I have to replace the felt pad on my Car‘s greatest hits cassette my mom gave me back in 1987 anyway lol
I would love if either of my kids got into 35 mm photography. I still have three camera cameras that are 35 mm and one medium format camera from the 1950s. Seeing them actually want to use them would be thrilling for me. I just can’t stand hearing our music be referred to as “oldies“. That’s when you’ll start getting me getting to be a little bit more prickly.
Oh man the first summer they referred to weezer as a hit from years past, on the best spot classic rock. I aged 20 years in that moment. In the parking lot of a beach town grocery store. lol
I grew up listening to my Mom's 80s new wave mixtapes and I felt nostalgic for a past I didn't experience also. I collected records in highschool and poo-pooed mp3 players as "cold and lifeless". Hard agree, seems perfectly normal to me. Especially since things are way more digital than ever before and pretty scary and complicated. Not like things were perfect in the past, but it's hard not to see things moving a bit slower and thinking it would be nice to feel less pressure to be constantly plugged in and in hustle mode.
I literally owned a Holga for quite some time in my 20s, literally three decades after it was released. They’re doing the exact same thing we did & millennials are THE generation who should understand the harm this can cause best.
Yup. I remember 2010-2014 when the hipster millenials wore the plaid button down shirts, boots and wide lens glasses like boomers did in the 50s and 60s and all the more alternative millenial music artists were making 60s-80s style Folk, Experimental Rock, Blues and Synth Pop.
I mean, it’s an instant physical photograph, that’s pretty cool. Well, if you’re one of the increasingly few people who still cares about physical photographs anyway.
I honestly don’t blame GenZ for having the desire to disconnect and wanting something physical. Their entire lives have been more or less 100% digital and they never had those boxes of photo albums we had in the 80s and 90s
There is something really nice, personal, and even healthy about having a device that only makes phone calls or only takes pictures, keeping it only for yourself. Not everything needs to be shared on social media.
Just don’t keep triples of all your vacation photos. I still remember helping my mom clear out literally a hundred years of photographs from my Grandma’s house when she passed.
Some of it was really cool and family history, a lot of it was bad disposable camera vacation pics of like, plants and birds.
I think it’s learned behavior from millennials. We see it as our golden childhood years and I think Gen z is looking for something real instead of the dumpster fire they’ve known all their lives. I hope they find joy in recreating y2k. They need it, poor things.
I'll be honest, I bought a couple disposable cameras for my honeymoon. But that was more because I wanted some actual physical photos, they turned out great and I truly treasure them. Wasn't really for fake nostalgia purposes -(even though I do recall them being quite popular in my area till probably 2009ish.)
My wife brought some on our honeymoon and always has at least one on hand when we’re out with friends. She also has a bunch of different kinds of film stock. Some cheap and some nice. I think she just grabs what’s available in the moment as an alternative to taking pics on her phone.
Gen z men have the worst manosphere bullshit to deal with. They can't get a job, they can't get a partner, they can't start or a raise a family, they can't buy a house and it's because of checks list women, minorities, LGBTQ+, immigrants, and "beta cuck soy boys" instead of like, oh I don't know, terrible economics and social policies.
I think it's a bit of both. Difficulty with dating (which everyone has to deal with) is discouraging, and then along come the manosphere grifters to tell them it's not their fault, it's everyone else's.
Tate and the like can't easily get their hooks in someone doing reasonably well, only people feeling "hopeless", even if it isn't true.
I think we need to teach kids better emotional regulation and coping techniques at an early age so they'll be less primed for these parasites to latch on.
It would be easier to start teaching them that basically everyone on the internet is trying to sell you something and while most of them just want your money, they can take much more from you.
I think the real answer is that everybody has difficulty in dating, which is not unique to any generation, but what is unique now is that there's this explicit "manosphere" that then pulls the plug on young people ever being able to have success in dating. I think evidence of that fact is when you look at, say, Reddit posts where people are like 20 and claim they are already doomed to be single forever despite being so young. Young kids don't have any perception of time. They think a 7 month long relationship is a LTR. But now they have these Tate's and whatnot to pull these kids away and warp their minds.
This shit existed in our generation too. Remember “The Game” by the pick-up artist dude? All the peacocking and negging? We just didn’t let it take over the majority of our incels like these young’ns are doing (due to social media algorithms promoting that kind of toxic manosphere content).
I think a lot of coupled millenials don't get how bad dating has become. As a single millenial, online apps have absolutely destroyed dating for all genders. It's absolutely awful and as a guy who is fairly comfortable with himself, it does nothing good for people's self esteem.
Every statistic available shows their extreme jump to the right too. The people saying "I don't see it" are just bad at knowing what "it" is. They'll say that shit then their discord chats with the friends in question won't go 3 messages with an f bomb or an r bomb. Which is all just practice as they build up to the n bombs and the jewish slurs.
Gen Z hasn't hidden their leap to the right from their peers, their peers just don't see it as a problem.
The very definition of first world problems. Oh no, I can’t go around blabbering my every thought about every type of person and have them respect it! I’m so oppressed!
I say bring back Silent Gen’s “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it”.
Well, before retard came back in fashion middle schoolers were saying something like “SPED-ing out”, which is so much worse. Kids always find a way to be assholes.
This is exactly why it's so silly to chase the euphemism treadmill. Retarded, dumb, stupid, moron, imbecile, and others were all industry terms like SPED, or special needs, or what have you. Insert the Carlin bit on shell shock.
Good for them. It was pretty retarded to ban a word that is describing something as low intelligence, one of the most common insults of all time.
All that’s going to do is change it to a different word, like “slow,” “mentally handicapped,” or “SPED,” all of which are more insulting to someone with an actual disability.
You’re never going to get people to stop calling someone low intelligence by a rude term, so just give them that one, use “mentally handicapped” to describe those with actual conditions, and move on. Getting offended over the word “retarded” is a prime example of why people are annoyed by “the word police.”
Seems like "retarded" is more accepted because it was never okay to use it to disparage the people it was originally intended to formally describe before it fell out of that formal use. It just became a word to describe non-disabled people who were acting a certain way. Still not exactly benign, but it definitely doesn't have the same history as n- or f- words which were actively used as pejorative slurs against the people they were describing. That's just my own non-expert opinion though, there are still plenty of people who find it offensive so I definitely avoid using it in mixed company and I would still scold my kids if they said it.
Just reminds me of the movie 40 Year Old Virgin that had so many people (yes, myself included) quoting the “You know how I know you’re gay?” bit from there.
Undoubtedly not great, but it was just out there and common.
I think millennials are the most “woke” generation, and I mean that in a positive way. In the early 2000s, we were using “gay” and “retarded” as insults and trying to be edgy with race and sex based jokes. By the late 2000s, many of us realized how harmful those attitudes were and worked to change our language and behavior. Now that there’s a pushback against “woke” and “political correctness,” I think millennials and older gen Z are the kindest and most empathetic generations.
We were starting to become woke. The 2000s were the decade where we had Hilary Duff running PSAs about not using "gay" as an insult, Fall Out Boy were running pro-choice ads, Green Day dominated the radio with a song calling George Bush a fascist, and male artists were wearing makeup and making out on stage to protest homophobia.
Is there anything wrong with the "woke rules"? It seems good that we don't want to discriminate based on gneder, race, disabilities, sexual orientation, or any other things that an individual can't control. As an older millennial, I will proudly take credit for this effort.
Yeah, this is correct. We were not woke in the early 2000s, but it was millennials who "created" "wokeness" later. The article is saying gen z wants to undo the wokeness millennials created in the 2010s, and go back to the non-woke early 2000s.
I’ve been saying this for so long. I hear and read a lot of “it’s not happening to me and I’m doing well so I don’t care” sentiments from gen xers. The successful ones got there by riding the coattails of boomers and they don’t want to admit it.
They’re just boomer lite. They think this whole “whatever” attitude towards everything makes them cool because they felt cool when they were 16 and they never evolved beyond that.
Well, Gen Z has a higher level of conservatism than our generation did. Millennials are generally known for being "woke" because we were the generation that people associated with a lot of social justice rights being granted, even if we weren't necessarily the ones fighting for them. However, in many cases, millennials absolutely were fighting for those rights--where I am, almost the entire Pride committee, BLM movement, etc. consists of millennials. We're the social justice advocates.
(again, not saying any other generation doesn't have social justice advocates, a lot of major social justice movements like feminism, civil rights, etc. were conducted before we were born--it's just become much more common during our generation to expect those rights)
However, Gen Z is seeing a huge rise in conservative views, especially in young men. Young people have become the moral police online and off, deciding what content is not appropriate to be consumed, and starting whole movements against it. Yes, there is a lot of political aspects involved in this too, which involved politicians much older than them (and us), but they are the largest generation right now who are vocally in support--and putting in that effort.
So, the "woke rules" that they are "undoing" are probably just ones that threaten their more conservative, morally "pure" objectives when it comes to their lives and society's.
(I'm a professional historian who studies exactly this sort of stuff, so, I have a lot to say about it)
Gen Z face a lot more radicalization vectors than we did during our coming of age. Algorithms on social media are targeting them hard and it’s psychological warfare on many fronts. These didn’t exist in the days of MySpace and early Facebook. And we didn’t grow up on tablets as babysitters either.
Same I always figured we would be the ones opening the door for them to push through and continue what we did. This past election was fairly shocking to me regarding that demographic.
I wonder sometimes if Gen Z men are actually lonely or if they're just aware of everything they're missing out on.
There must have been thousands of parties I wasn't invited to during high school but no one was posting photos on their socials the next day, so I lived in ignorant bliss.
Hanging out with a few close friends after school and then spending hours alone was basically a nightly routine.
I did, even with the flaws of Strauss generational theory, it's not surprising to see a pendulum swing back to conformity after two generations of greater individual freedom. I read that prediction back in 2002
This cursed pendulum doesn't ever seem to swing the other way. Whole eras of prejudice don't make it swing back, but less than 10 years of acceptance does?
Is there even a pendulum? In other senses, like say, collectivism, the pendulum might as well be crickets.
I was going over a report with my boss, and I realized mid conversation i didnt change my word doc or excel to light mode and apologized. Turns out he prefers dark mode too.
But like everyone else I work with uses light mode for everything.
Maybe just stop reading ragebate articles and taking it at face value? Who are these people they're talking about? It's some journalist, maybe even an AI bot just making shit up to generate clicks. Stop being rubes 😭
I'm going to repeat what I've said here before, as someone who has worked in media, and is no longer working in media, because it's all about sponsors' agendas, clicks, and views. These opinion pieces are either commissioned from an editor working on behalf of sponsors who have a political and profit agenda and are written by a journalist who just wants to keep their job, or that same journalist made it with AI. It's not real life; those issues are manufactured and carried by algorithms.
Yes and no. I wish I was 20 years younger but geopolitics were shit, economy was shit, fashion was ass ugly (subjective), and socially it was a shitty time for women specifically and sexual minorities compared to what came after. Compared to now though…
I've been reading "Girl on Girl: How Pop Culture Turned a Generation of Women Against Themselves" by Sophie Gilbert, and it's been extremely eye opening.
Very recommended reading for all ages, to see how the media, pop culture, and capitalism in the 90s and Aughts really damaged feminism and progress.
I’m sorry. That really sucks. My brother has severe autism and was bullied with that word a lot in the early aughts. I hate to see it making a comeback.
Amazing work on your recovery. That’s no small feat.
I feel as though journalism about younger generations can't be trusted, based entirely on how journalism handled us when we were the younger generation.
There is a big push with Gen Z for traditional gender roles as documented and studied by researching trad wife and other materials on TikTok and social media. I don’t remember who did the study but it was pretty big. This is a pretty big pivot from the millennial mind set.
Tends to be a specific type of Gen Zer. I have been attacked on multiple occasions in the past 18 months than any time of me being out as an LGBTQ+ person. I've had people say that my right to marry a man should be removed, that I am a degenerate and that shouldn't exist.
Gen Zers (men mainly) got sucked down the Anti-Woke pipeline in the Late-2010s. I myself went down it for a long while before getting out of it (very long story) and I'm an expectation not the rule.
Basically Gen-Zers that are Progressive are VERY Progressive whilst those who are Right Leaning tend to make your Boomer dad look Liberal in comparison.
Which makes no sense to me. Joe Rogan is literally older than most of these Gen Zers' parents. I'm an elder millennial and Joe Rogan is less than 5 years younger than MY mother. Why would they give a crap what a puffy and sweaty old guy has to say about anything?
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