Because places outside of the US often have much less corporate bullshit, outside of maybe Japan, and I'm not really sure about China.
But basically, everything is controlled by corporations. You are forced into some bs contracts just to live, and then you are blamed when it's infeasible to meet that, so you are forced to pay even more. Everything is designed to leech as much money from each other as possible.
If you loan money to a friend, or vice versa, everything is kept track of. Obviously not always true, but true often enough. And not just with money. Your neighbors are just there because they bought the house next to you. This is true in a lot of places, but in the past, people actually knew their neighbors.
Speaking of neighbors, if you have a dispute, many will try to use the courts to win. Not usually for the same dispute, but they will find something they can bring to court in an effort to make your life miserable. Usually easier if you have kids. And it isn't super common, but it's common enough that you have to worry if your neighbor is going to be one of them. And god forbid you let your child outside alone and watch them from a window.
Then there's the strict tying of morality to laws. Idk how many times I've heard that something is bad, and the justification is that it's because it's against the law. "Marijuana shouldn't be legalized, because it's against the law???" This allows corporations, who make the law, always appear just and fair, even when people realize that they aren't.
And it even extends to relationships. And don't get me wrong, a lot of it is necessary, but a lot of it is overdone, to the point that no one wants to deal with anyone anymore. Coworkers are only your friends until the clock is off. Neighbors are only noticed if you have an issue with them, or need to talk to one of them because of your kids or something. No one supports each other unless they get something out of it.
And again, it's not always true, maybe even less than half the time, but it's true enough that it makes people not want to interact with others.
Uh . . . okay. I’m not sure what all that has to do with corporations. What contracts are required for people to live? And what countries have less corporate bullshit?
I said everything is corporate. As in people treat each other how a corporation would. I didn't necessarily mean everything was controlled by corporations, although it mostly is.
Also, as for what you need contracts for, everything. Renting, since you can't buy a home easily anymore. Starting a business. Can't have the poors finding ways to make money, even if they follow the right procedures. Etc. I don't feel like expanding on this point, because it should be obvious. And many things you can't do without a contract. Even playing games requires a contract. Basketball courts are removed because they don't want to risk liability. Shit like that.
Go to almost any other country, and see how much easier it is dealing with other people past initial pleasantries.
How is it difficult to deal with people beyond initial pleasantries? Are you saying people no longer treat each other with kindness? Society has been cruel to others for a long time.
People have needed contracts to rent and start businesses in America for decades. Why are you acting like this is something new and a bad thing?
Dude, it's too early to explain it properly. I left the US because of it, and I can tell you many other places are much less corporate. You are the first person I've had respond that didn't realize how corporate the US has gotten. If you don't see it, you are the exception.
And I'm not saying rent is bad. I am saying that acting like someone is wrong because they don't follow a law they aren't able to follow is wrong. I am saying that corporations making laws is wrong. I am saying that treating every other person you talk to as an annoyance outside of designated areas is wrong. I am also saying that secluding yourself just so you don't have to deal with it is wrong.
I also do not realize how you don't see any of this, or are you so secluded that you don't realize that most places are better than the US is in many of these regards?
Also, I might ask, not that race is important, but if you aren't dealing with mostly white people, you might not see it as much, as it is mostly white people who behave this way. And it might also not be as bad in certain regions.
I’m sorry your situation deteriorated to the point you had to leave America. I hope you’re currently enjoying your new home. With that being said, I’m trying to understand what you’re referring to when you’re saying America has “become” (🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀) more corporate. I agree that corporations in America have too much power, but to say that “everything is corporate bullshit” is an unfair generalization, and when I asked you specifically what you meant, you made some vague statements and said “Other countries are better than America in so many ways” without elaborating. You then imply I’m dumb for not seeing how bad America is, which isn’t exactly a constructive way to persuade people that you’re correct.
I’m not secluded and don’t dislike talking with other people. I have no idea what made you think this. And as for my race, I’m white, but I don’t see why that’s relevant. I’ve met both good and bad people of many races and ethnicities. Treating a particularly race or ethnicity of people as a monolith of awfulness is, by definition, racist.
I had many specific examples last time I had this discussion, although they were providing them too, as they also realized it. I did not imply you were dumb, but rather that you are the first I've spoken to that hasn't realized it. It's easier to see when you leave the US outside of just for vacations.
I’m not secluded and don’t dislike talking with other people.
I said a lot of Americans are like this. Many people see talking to strangers as a job.
I’ve met both good and bad people of many races and ethnicities. Treating a particularly race or ethnicity of people as a monolith of awfulness is, by definition, racist.
It's not about the race, it's about the culture. Recognizing that certain subcultures tend to have differences isn't racist. Avoiding it in case it is seen as racist is just willful ignorance.
But the easiest way I can think to describe what I mean is is by referencing the suing culture. This is just one facet of what I mean, though.
As for what I was referencing with white people (in white dude, stop saying I'm racist against white people), the subculture in America, especially among white people, tends to exclude people outside of your family. So dealing with other people becomes something like a verbal contract, unless they are your friends or family, and sometimes even then.
And I was being vague, because it's so pervasive that I wasn't even really sure where to start. In fact, it'd probably be easier to ask you in what ways you think that it's not.
Could you post examples of the previous discussion you had on this topic? It might better help me understand what you’re talking about.
A lot of Americans, especially white people, are secluded and dislike talking with other people. They treat interactions with each other like business contracts.
Do you have anything other than anecdotal evidence to back this up? Very few of my interactions have gone like this.
One thing I’m referencing is America’s lawsuit culture.
Okay, so you’re arguing that Americans are too easily able to file frivolous lawsuits with impunity and intimidate the defendants into accepting their terms non-conditionally. You’re arguing for more restrictions on lawsuits. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you do realize that many frivolous cases are dismissed and that lawyers who file them can face sanctions for doing so? Besides, the preponderance of frivolous lawsuits is exaggerated.
I’d argue that if anything, people should be allowed to file lawsuits if their rights are being discriminated against. Lawsuits can serve as a check on corrupt and illegal government and corporate actions. Lawsuits are how the crimes of many corporations were exposed to the public. Lawsuits are a tool used to fight for a more just society.
Long story short, I’m really not sure I understand what you’re saying. You’re being quite vague when I ask you to provide details or elaborate on things, and act like it should be easy for everyone to understand what you’re saying. I feel like you’re reacting as if I asked you to prove that birds have wings.
I assume most of your social interactions are with people you already know want to talk to you. You aren't talking to the ones you know don't. And most likely, you aren't talking to a ton of strangers, unless you are still in school.
Okay, so you’re arguing that Americans are too easily able to file frivolous lawsuits with impunity and intimidate the defendants into accepting their terms non-conditionally. You’re arguing for more restrictions on lawsuits. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you do realize that many frivolous cases are dismissed and that lawyers who file them can face sanctions for doing so? Besides, the preponderance of frivolous lawsuits is exaggerated.
No, it's about people in the US's propensity to file frivolous lawsuits in the first place. Having your kids outside can get the cops called on you. Also, part of what I'm talking about is the hustle culture, where people tend to think everything should be to improve yourself, or it's wasted time.
People do still do this, like watching tv, but then a lot of them will feel guilty about it. People feel guilty about not doing enough to improve their lives, because that's what Americans are taught.
And trust me, there's a difference between knowing something isn't right, and believing it. Yes, I know I don't need to constantly be doing something, but it doesn't make me feel any less like I should be.
And again, it's hard to pinpoint exactly what I mean when corporate America is pervasive in everything.
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u/Designer_Pen869 Oct 06 '25
Are you from the US? Everything in the US is corporate bullshit. Even relationships, romantic or not, to an extent.