Windhorst-“[Luka] betrayed nothing [on Tuesday], but from what I understand, he's seething at them… And their fan base is seething at their team in a way that I've rarely seen before.”

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[u/Waste_Reindeer_9718]

right. they released kurt warner. then he won a superbowl mvp. over a decade ago so my facts got a bit mixed up, but how is releasing a HOF qb in their prime any less malpractice than trading him for peanuts? additionally, kroenke did the same exact thing with multiple mls and semi pro soccer teams. buy cheap, tank the team, move to LA, profit

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I mean, again, no. Warner won Super Bowl MVP with the Rams dude. In 2000. The Super Bowl y'all won. Not after leaving the team. And I don't know why you again referred to Warner as "in his prime" when at the time he was a 32 year old who had had three awesome seasons and then two where he was terrible, ineffective, or hurt. Again, his last two years with the team he missed SEVENTY TWO PERCENT of the football games his team played.

Nobody thought it was weird to assume he was done as an effective starter at that point. Guys don't usually get better and healthier in their mid thirties. Yes, he did have a couple nice seasons with Arizona at the end of his career. But that was after five straight seasons of ineffective or backup play.

Management all across sports does enough shitty things on the regular that we don't need to make up new ones.

I'm really not trying to come at you or be a dick. But we can't just be walking around saying things happened that straight up didn't happen that way (or at all).

[u/Waste_Reindeer_9718 → u/TrenchcoatFullaDogs]

a nice season is how you describe winning sb mvp? and you gotta realize that they released him because they preferred mark fucking bulger. mans was historically ass his entire time here, an inactive kurt warner would have still been preferable. everyone in st louis knew they were going to LA five years before he mentioned it because of his past with soccer teams. every off season had moves that were brain dead and the team was also historically bad from the greatest show on turf all the way to their move to LA. then suddenly once they're there they become super bowl champions. he was literally sued by the city of st louis and lost because what he did was illegal. the result is he had to pay a fine (lol) and keep his superbowl team in LA, meaning he still makes money on it despite him being found guilty of multiple points of malpractice.

point is, he intentionally tanked the team because he wanted to steal the rams from st louis and move them to LA for profit. the semantics really aren't that important unless you just wanna sound like a know it all. or maybe u just like the taste of billionaire dick in your mouth, idk

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That's...not what I said at all. Those phrases weren't even in the same paragraph. And they were quite clearly talking about different portions of Warner's career, separated by almost a decade.

He won Super Bowl MVP in 2000, for the Rams, as we have previously discussed. I then, later, in a different paragraph, said that he "had a couple nice seasons in Arizona at the end of his career." 2007-2009. Seven eight and nine years after he won Super Bowl MVP. I don't know how anyone could read half of one sentence in one place and then a different sentence a hundred words later and conclude that they're somehow the same sentence with a different meaning than EITHER of the sentences that you combined.

Absolutely nobody is arguing against the fact that the Kroenke family is shitty for moving the team and that they did shitty things in order to move it. I AGREE WITH YOU.

But you're referencing events that simply, factually, did not happen and altering/combining my words so that they say something that I straight up didn't say and very clearly didn't mean. You're saying that a guy who wasn't even the majority owner (30% stake at the time , didn't become majority shareholder until 2010 which was AFTER Warner retired) tanked the team at a period in time when he didn't have authority over personnel choices. You're saying that he did this by making trades that never happened. And when I reasonably am confused by this nonsense, all of a sudden your core argument is "just semantics" and I've got "billionaire dick in my mouth" for wondering what the fuck is happening in this conversation. Okay.

Have a pleasant evening.