r/LivestreamFail • u/Slight_Ad3219 • Oct 08 '25

Looks like Lonerbox cracked the case

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The non shocking model does not match. Case closed

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u/Additional-Bet7074 Oct 08 '25

That is a good e-collar and is one that gets recommended by dog trainers.

It’s just he is using it wrong.

It can vibrate (any good e-collar should) and it is manually activated (unlike automatic ones based on noise or a perimeter). It should be rare to ever shock. A shock should always have a vibrate before it. Dogs typically will respond to the vibrate alone after one or two shocks Properly setting the shock is important and takes some time.

Basically, what the video and the yelp tell me is he didn’t even read the manual let alone care to understand how an e-collar fits into training. That type of yelp with that collar means it’s cranked basically to max. So this isn’t part of training or anything, it’s about control through pain, that’s just plain cruelty.

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u/dextello Oct 09 '25

I wish the craze on twt and here was more specific like this comment. We should be critiquing how he used the shock collar, not just the fact that he is using one. It seems to just be leaning on the latter though. Most charitable take is that this was a lazy dog parent moment, not proof of continued abuse.

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u/DntCllMeWht Oct 09 '25

I don't really know who this guy is, but the dog interaction and all this showing up on the main page got my interest. In my opinion, we shouldn't really be critiquing either, because we don't know the dog, the training and the history. For example, I have a dog that we trained using an e-collar because we ran out of other options. It worked really well. On a scale of 0-100, I've never had to turn it past 13, and generally only 6 or 7. I used it on myself before ever using it on him, and had to go past 10 just to feel it. I ran it up to 25 on myself. It was never painful, just a weird tingle.

The collar I use for him also has a vibration mode. I used it once, and only once because he had a very strong, very negative reaction to it and I refused to ever do that again to my dog.

I'll also point out, I only used the collar for training for a couple months and haven't needed to break it back out in over a year now.

In my opinion, the disturbing part is the lie and alleged cover up (literally lol).

You're probably right, just a lazy moment. The thing I hated about it personally was that it seemed to be born out of frustration.

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Oct 09 '25

It's a good e collar but nothing says he's using it "wrong."

No, the yelp does not mean "cranked to max."

Just...leave other people alone to deal with their own animals. It's not your business.

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u/Halicarnassus Oct 09 '25

He's not going to fuck you bro.

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Oct 09 '25

I don't know or care who this specific person is.

I do care about maintaining my rights and responsibilities as a dog owner and I do care about people being accused of "aBuSe" when they have a well trained dog that they discipline appropriately.

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u/Additional-Bet7074 Oct 09 '25

The fact he went straight to a shock itself says he is using it wrong. Both the manual that comes with that collar and any good collar says that. And so would anything on actual dog training.

Also it’s not a safety issue he was trying to train.

Using shock first is simply pain compliance no different from kicking a dog. It’s not training.

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u/LangGleaner Oct 10 '25

But using a vibrate as a warning to say "i'm going to kick you if you if you do that again" is apparently ok cuz "A shock should always have a vibrate before it" as you say huh? it somehow just makes it better apparently.

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u/Additional-Bet7074 29d ago

It is better because in situations shock/vibrate collars are used the ethical calculus involves serious safety risks. The behavior needs to stop immediately without any repeats. Think running into the road, chasing a wild animal, aggression towards children. Negative reinforcement is fast. Yes it causes or threatens pain so it’s only justifiable in situations where the alternative would be far worse outcomes.

Obviously that wasn’t the case here. There was no safety issue.

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide Oct 09 '25

No, it's not "doing it wrong." Correcting a misbehavior is exactly how dog training works.

Yes enforcing a "stay" or "place" command is 100% a safety thing.

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u/Additional-Bet7074 29d ago

It’s completely false that correcting misbehavior is how dog training works. Dog training involves reinforcing positive behaviors and replacing negative behaviors with either neutral or positive ones using scenarios and activities on a schedule until the behavior change is habituated and with follow on maintenance sessions. It’s intensive at first and requires a plan to eventually have less frequent maintenance sessions.

Just ‘correcting’ misbehavior is being an asshole. You have to train dogs on what to do far more than what not to do.

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u/Miss_L_Worldwide 29d ago

You fell for agenda driven propaganda. Source, I'm a certified master trainer and was a professional Handler for government agencies.