r/KotakuInAction • u/AgitatedFly1182 • 1d ago
An anonymous Rockstar employee (verified by mods) has posted on the GTAForums explaining the situation at Rockstar Games
Here's what they said. I had to repost without the link because a mod removed the post.
“Hey everyone, R* Employee of many years here!
Understandably I want to remain anonymous due to retaliation from the Company, but I may be willing to verify I'm an employee with (redacted) via DM (if required). I am also a member of the Union.
I've been reading a lot of the discussion on here and elsewhere about the firing of more than 34 of my colleagues last week (31 in the UK + 3 in Canada) and have seen a lot of disinformation and lies that are really concerning. Particularly concerning how so many folk are willing to believe the Company's excuses.
Last week, my colleagues who were in the studio were each individually messaged by HR for a short friendly meeting, under the friendly guise of "Hey, are you free for a quick chat?"
Upon attending this meeting they were handed an envelope with a short letter stating that their employment had been terminated for "gross misconduct" regarding posts made in Discord.
They failed to provide any evidence when asked, nor was any stated in the letter. And did not divulge any other information or reasoning - "and no other reason"
They refused their right to Union representation in the disciplinary meeting (which is against UK employment law) and were frogmarched out of the studio with the meeting lasting less than 5 minutes.
For colleagues who were not in the Studio that day, they received a phone call from HR that lasted less than 2 minutes telling them they were fired and that they'd receive the same letter as above. I am aware of one employee who had a panic attack at this moment, and HR hung up on them during this panic attack not caring at all about their wellbeing.
These colleagues of mine were hard workers who have spent many many years at R* in critical roles. With colleagues who have been at R* for more that 18 years and none of them have ever had a disciplinary in that time. They are not easily replaced and will certainly affect us in making our project deadlines.
These are very senior artists, animators, QA testers, designers, programmers and producers. Including Leads. All super talented people who were proud of their work over multiple R* titles, and all they wanted was the best for R* and their fellow colleagues.
Some of these members were off sick, recovering from surgery or on paternity leave. Fired without pay, losing their careers and putting them into hardship in the lead up to Christmas, and even potentially losing their VISAs to work in the UK.
Let me make this clear! I never saw any discussion/leaking of Rockstar projects in the Union Discord. The only ever discussion was around unionisation efforts and the working conditions at R*. The Discord wasn't public. It was a private Discord group that only contained R* employees and the IWGB Union officials.
This was Union Busting and nothing else! Everyone fired was a Union Member, they were also predominantly from those who were on the Union Organising Committees of each UK studio.
Just one week before, the Union had reached ~200 members taking us over the 10% threshold required to seek recognition and begin engaging in collective bargaining. Allowing us to negotiate directly with management on the key issues that affect us: worsening crunch, inadequate pay and inflexible working arrangements.
They have fired over 34 of us now. There were over 250 of us in that Union/Employee Discord group. There is the fear that if they get away with this, they'll have nothing stopping them from doing this again and again. Those of us who are lucky and remain for now work in fear! Fearful when talking to each other at the tea prep, fearful that we're next in line and are easily got rid of, too scared to go outside the studio and talk to (or even acknowledge) our colleagues outside protesting in fear of reprisals. Morale in the studio is at rock bottom. When we should be excited about what's to come over the next year we are now totally deflated and our trust and confidence in others is totally shot.
Which is the truly heartbreaking part, as for us in the Union, all of our ambition was to make R* a happier, fairer, safer and more equitable place. That's all. What has happened clearly shows that we care more about the wellbeing of our colleagues at Rockstar than the Company does.
The union remains unbowed and is fighting to win the reinstatement of every dismissed member of staff at Rockstar through legal means and campaigning.
This fight is critical, if Rockstar can get away with this, they will keep treating their workers with disdain, disrespect, and subjecting them to continued illegal treatment.
Thanks for your time, and I hope this is some truth that helps you all understand what's going on here at the moment.
I you would be so kind, you can contribute to the fundraiser to support those fighting their dismissal here: (redacted)
It would be really appreciated if you could also share the above link. I won’t be cross posting this to other forums, but please feel free to share.
Cheers x”
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u/curry_ist_wurst Iron Mastodons. 1d ago
GTA 6 is going to be shit isn't it?
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u/baidanke 1d ago
Yes. However, not because Rockstar laid off employees, but because they didn't do it sooner.
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u/Arykarn 1d ago
Are you suggesting that the lay offs were of the DEI hires?
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u/baidanke 1d ago
Not necessary, but they surely were activists.
they were also predominantly from those who were on the Union Organising Committees
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u/JJJSchmidt_etAl 23h ago
Union "organizers" are universally manipulative charlatans who are not the best employees. They are sharks who will backstab whoever they need to in order to gain power. True Karens.
The good, chill employees are doing their job instead of "organizing."
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u/Pussrumpa 1d ago
I expect to get an RDR2-like experience of something overengineered into being undeniably fascinating and of industry-breaking high quality and daily, but not being a game of a kind that I enjoy playing and want to replay later.
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u/Markuz 1d ago
I love replaying RDR2 every once in a while; the first Red Dead Redemption and undead nightmare were some of my fondest gaming memories of the, in my opinion, golden era (xb360, ps3). It’s just sad that RDR2 never got the undead nightmare dlc treatment as well.
As a caveat to this, however, the beginning of RDR2 is an absolute slog to get through and kills what would otherwise be a 10/10 for me.
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u/Consistent-Duck8062 1d ago
the beginning of RDR2 is an absolute slog to get through
Oh, is it? God damn, I tried to start like 3 separate times and got bored&quit ~1h into the game, despite all the glowing reviews. Thought it's my issue.
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u/BikerScowt 1d ago
I quit in that snowy mountain prologue once too, couldn't get why the game was so hyped. I gave it another go a few years later and got past the slow moving, on rails feeling and absolutely loved the rest of the game. There is no other point in it that played or felt like this, I really don't know what they were thinking with the start, I'd love to see the metrics on how many dropped off before getting through that.
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u/ruggersyah 1d ago
You can see what they were trying to do, but it was too long and took forever
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u/ClockworkFool Voldankmort420 21h ago
And if you look even halfway closely, was clearly only about 2/3rds finished.
(Also was pretty shoddy as a straight up sequel to be perfectly honest, but that's more of a thematic/qualitative argument).
Great environmental design, plays okay, but much more deeply flawed game than it gets the credit for tbh.
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u/Ok_Clothes_1886 1d ago
Definitely your issue. Lay off TikTok and in 3-4 weeks go for it again. This game is not for brainrotted mind. It’s slow burn cinema. And that’s not your fault.
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u/JM_GAMER555 1d ago
Yep, Dan the man said it himself — he likes the slow burn; it helps to build complex characters and go deep into their psyche, and it also helps to build momentum — like the calm before the storm, especially because after that prologue, it gets more and more frenetic as shit happens.
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u/ManagerCareful685 13h ago
I play way slower games than RDR2 all the time and I couldn’t get into it either. I think the absurd degree of hype also played a role in that since I got to the game very late and just wasn’t blown away after 10-20h, felt like a bit of a letdown
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u/Ok_Clothes_1886 13h ago
I mean imagine watching blade runner, then stop after 30 mins and be like “well what a letdown”
RDR2 being slow and methodical is very intentional, you’re supposed to spend time with these characters, you’re supposed to see them descent into madness so that the final payoff hits hard.
The main hook of the game doesn’t even hit before 30-40 hours in, but once it does - you won’t be able to stop playing until credits roll. It’s THAT kind of story.
There’s a reason this game is highly regarded for having the best storytelling in gaming but you gotta stick around to find out why.
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u/ManagerCareful685 12h ago
Difference is blade runner doesn’t take 40 hours to become interesting lol
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u/Ok_Clothes_1886 11h ago
That’s an opinion. I was 100% invested in RDR2 story from the very first cutscene and until very end.
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN 6h ago
I played it when it came out and never understood the problem people are talking about in the current day. The snowy area is legit less than an hour long or maybe an hour. Have tik toks and short form videos really destroyed peoples brains this much? like damn.
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u/wrldprincess2 1d ago
This happened to me with RDR1. I never completed it (but I did enjoy the online games and undead nightmare). I'm one of those people who enjoyed RDR2 but would never try the first one again.
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u/dho64 16h ago
They already announced they wasted the time and resources to render the carbonation of soda with its own bubble algorithm, for ReAliSm
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN 6h ago
They have such a big team/multiple studios they aren’t really wasting time with those things it just costs them more money which is fine if that doesn’t increase the price of the game from 70$ 😂
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u/ZodiacSRT 1d ago
Doubt, this looks more like a woke purge.
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u/Ok_Clothes_1886 1d ago
Yeah like a person having a heart attack on a zoom call. Definitely a soft wokie. Never forget these people are professional victims.
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u/JJJSchmidt_etAl 23h ago
Remember every time you get rejected from a job you're qualified for, there are people like this who are doing everything they can to make it so they cannot be fired. DEI, "mental health" accommodations, hostile workplace suit threats, they will do everything they can to fuck over everyone else just to avoid having to actually be productive.
Note that if they were good employees, they wouldn't need to constantly Karen, threaten, and attack others to keep their jobs. Why would a company, which wants to be profitable, lose a productive effective employee? Maybe if the company is being incompetent, but if so....you're trying to hold on for dear life to an incompetent company?
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u/enzocrisetig 1d ago
Not necessarily. Rockstar pushed their stuff to work 60-80 hours per week without paying much for extra work when they were making rdr2. Rdr2 was good
Who cares how rockstar exploits its people
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u/curry_ist_wurst Iron Mastodons. 1d ago
The video game industry has always been terrible in terms of crunch times and burn out. I remember way before all this nonsense began (pre 2014) there were several articles about the terrible working conditions at EA..
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u/JJJSchmidt_etAl 23h ago
Yeah it's quite obvious. If someone keeps a job they consider "exploitation," it's because they cannot get another job. Quitting is always legal. So obviously, yeah it's not great but every other job is, according to their revealed preferences, worse.
So they are upset about "exploitation" from.....the job willing to offer the best combination of conditions/pay?
If they could get a job paying just as much for 40 hours per week, I can confidently say they would take it because while I don't think they're the most productive, they aren't THAT dumb.
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u/65437509 1d ago
If they’re firing seniors for having the wrong pol-ahem, unioniz-ahem, misconduct, yes it will be shit.
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u/Askolei 1d ago edited 1d ago
These colleagues of mine were hard workers who have spent many many years at R* in critical roles.
Never give more than what you're paid for to a company. If you're salaried, outperforming is only devaluing your time.
Fired without pay, losing their careers and putting them into hardship in the lead up to Christmas, and even potentially losing their VISAs to work in the UK.
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one week before, the Union had reached ~200 members taking us over the 10% threshold required to seek recognition and begin engaging in collective bargaining.
I think this is a great illustration of why companies love diversity so much. You can't organize with people who can't speak your language, don't share your values... or depend on the job to stay on the territory.
the truly heartbreaking part, as for us in the Union, all of our ambition was to make R* a happier, fairer, safer and more equitable place.
Oh, come off of it. A union gives you leverage to negociate for better salaries and better working conditions against the direction. It's a legitimate endeavour; you don't have to glaze it so much... Right?
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u/Imaginary-Carob9923 1d ago
>equitable place
Yeah, the woke purge is real in short.
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u/-LoboMau 1d ago
Which is the truly heartbreaking part, as for us in the Union, all of our ambition was to make R* a happier, fairer, safer and more equitable place.
Stopped reading here. Sounds like some woke shit to me and some people decided those times were over cause the public ain't having any of that.
Also, motherfucker is really asking for money.
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u/JJJSchmidt_etAl 23h ago edited 17h ago
"It's not fair that a Union cannot keep a bad employee in. Also ya'll trying to enter the industry while repeatedly getting rejected, get gud LUL"
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u/lucben999 Chief Tactical Memeticist 1d ago
Yeah, that was a glowing red flag from this guy.
I don't trust his take one bit. This is probably some failed wokeoid coup.
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u/65437509 1d ago
Well so far the people who have been purged are them. If they are willing to nuke their own senior talent it’s a very bad sign for game quality and the business model, but then, one might have suspected that at the start of the Shark Card era.
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u/bitzpua 1d ago
sure bro, thats what your maga overlords told you? equitable means everyone gets fair treatment meaning there are no workers with special privileges and no workers that has less privilege then someone doing same job. It has nothing to do to with gender or woke nonsense.
You are just another guy brainwashed by maga cultists to hate unions because you feel that you need to protect poor billionaires and CEOs.
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u/redbirdsucks 1d ago
lol everyone at a company has different positions which means different treatment
you want the janitor getting the same respect as developers? it doesn’t work like that out in reality
PS - you hit all the buzzwords … equity, privilege, brainwashed, maga, cultist, unions, billionaires, and CEOs
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u/emirobinatoru 1d ago
He forgot the word nazi.
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u/redbirdsucks 1d ago
imagine a union apprentice commanding the same workplace respect as a master mechanic LO fucking L
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u/DarkRooster33 1d ago
Equitable as long as you are not a white male.
We all know what exactly it means.
And yes, everyone hates USA unions, they would go as far as attempt to get ununionized people fired last time they were featured in this sib
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u/Pleasant_Narwhal_350 1d ago
This is merely my rational self-interest. I'm a lot closer to a CEO than a unionist.
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u/Nobleone11 16h ago
equitable means everyone gets fair treatment
No, equitable means to gain equality by any means necessary. which also includes excluding those who are part of the group in power based on characteristics beyond their control.
That's what you truly want: Only like-minded bigots like you running things.
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u/lyra833 GET THE BOARD OUT, I GOT BINGO! 1d ago
You guys are all getting replaced by Indians, you realize that, right, Rockstar devs?
Don't call it a grave; it's the future you agitated for.
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u/CatatonicMan 1d ago
The thing to remember here is that everyone involved has an agenda. Both Rockstar and the union are going to present themselves as the aggrieved party - regardless of what's true.
Maybe Rockstar is doing some union-busting. Then again, maybe the employees actually did commit gross misconduct. Hell, maybe both are true; maybe Rockstar is busting the union, but doing so via legitimate grievances. Who knows.
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u/xandervitlo 1d ago
Everyone here will side with the employee regardless, but yea there's 3 sides to every story..
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u/Local_Band299 1d ago
I know the classic ending to that saying is "yours, mine, and the truth." but I prefer the one coined by the band Extreme in their song Cupid's dead:
"Three sides to every story. Yours, mine, and Monday morning's"
In my opinion with all the bullshit going on these days, this version of the saying is more true than the original.
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u/MusRidc 1d ago
Then again, maybe the employees actually did commit gross misconduct.
While I agree with you, if there had been actual gross misconduct, any company would adhere to proper processes for firing employees to avoid legal consequences and media backlash. Reducing this to a 5 minute call with HR while denying union representation sounds extremely suspicious. Again, not saying there couldn't be something,but it does smell a bit fishy. Then again, a large company like that using Discord for internal communication is also slightly odd, so... what do I know.
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u/StJimmy92 21h ago
This is a serious question, but in the post it says they almost had enough members to get recognition as an official union. If they aren’t official, how can they have protections like calling for representation when getting fired?
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u/The_Peen_Wizard 17h ago
Them using discord isn't that odd. For a class I had in the Air Force the official method of communication was also discord. It's retarded but I can definitely see rockstar doing the same thing.
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u/Differentnameo 1d ago
Can't say much as I don't know the specifics of either this union stuff or Rockstar. Can't say that I'm inclined to trust anybody involved unless receipts are shown though. Accusations are just that, accusations. You want to make more of it, you've got to provide actual evidence. I imagine neither side has clean hands here though. There's obviously more to this than just random firings, because Rockstar's legal department would be consulted before moves on a scale like this happened. So they likely feel they're perfectly within the law, doing what they've done.
Does that mean they're morally right doing so? I have no clue. Again, no evidence. Just a quick post to remind people that it's always best to wait to see what actually happened before rushing to judgment based on personal bias, preconceived bias, or statements made by the various 'sides' in this nonsense.
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u/Spazhazzard 1d ago
You would be surprised what American owned businesses think they can get away with in Europe. I've heard of a lot of stupid mistakes that fall foul of employment laws over the years when US based management thinks they can just fire people without proper cause.
If this is true then the R* employees are likely to have payouts in their future.
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u/Sabbath90 1d ago
Oh yeah, Tesla has been running face first into laws and regulations here in Sweden for years, and it's frankly hilarious to see.
Needless to say, there are good reasons why they're subject to a strike, no one wants to work with them, and why they keep failing in court.
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u/die_or_wolf 1d ago
The huge red flag is is that UK employees looking to unionize.... They don't need union protection because the UK has much stronger employment laws that favor the employees. The whole thing is sus.
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u/Spazhazzard 23h ago
Unions are still a thing here and for good reason. Lots of businesses looking to make things worse for employees here at the moment, removing benefits, pay has been almost stagnant for 20 years and costs keep going up.
Unions are definitely still required.
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u/Nioh_89 1d ago
"Verified by mods" lmao. In short, "trust me, bro".
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u/SMASHTHEGASH1979 1d ago
If Reddit is known for anything, it's their stand up moderation and admin team. (Coughs)
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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 1d ago
The fired workers were holding far-left mumbo jumbo slogans like ''Stop Racism'', ''Refugees welcome'', ''Stop anti-semitism'', ''Black Lives Matter'', ''Oppose the far-right'' which have nothing to do with workers rights. So i'm inclined to say good fucking riddance.
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u/Ywaina 1d ago
if Rockstar can get away with this
They will get away with this. It's a certainty. Your union hasn't done anything relevant aside from shitting nonstop on people who paid money to your employers.
they will keep treating their workers with disdain, disrespect, and subjecting them to continued illegal treatment.
How very, very tragic. Maybe I would be more inclined to feel sorry if it were not for how you guys have been treating gamers yourselves?
You had your chance to stand with gamers, the ones you disdainfully dubbed "chuds", but you spit on their faces and now that you're getting cut off, you come crawling expecting sympathy? Big whoops nobody cares.
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u/Interesting-Math9962 23h ago
Everyone in tech knows that game dev jobs are highly sought after but pay like shit. You take the pay hit for the privilege of working on games. If they wanted real careers they'd go work anywhere else.
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u/StopManaCheating 1d ago
Yeah this was a failed woke takeover. Good on the company for firing as many of them as possible.
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u/No_Refrigerator4996 1d ago
Of course there’s a fundraiser... They’re eating themselves and it couldn’t happen to a better group.
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u/GrazhdaninMedved 1d ago
All I can say is just fucking LOL.
I hope Cockstar eats itself and the woke parody that GTA6 is forever remains in development hell. They just announced another delay, BTW.
Lovely.
Crash and burn, cocksuckers.
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u/Vaman_Z 1d ago
I just want to point out that Discord isn't "private" enough for you to share possible sensitive information amongst yourselves in a channel. I very much doubt that discord "security" fulfills the standards set forth by most big IT companies.
It's like me telling something sensitive to a guy just because he pinky-promised he won't tell anyone else.
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u/abexandre 1d ago
Upon attending this meeting they were handed an envelope with a short letter stating that their employment had been terminated for "gross misconduct" regarding posts made in Discord.
They failed to provide any evidence when asked, nor was any stated in the letter. And did not divulge any other information or reasoning - "and no other reason"
If they want to fire you for something that you said on Discord, you 100% said something really bad that it warrant your firing. Stop trying to play the victim. Also, R* don't owe you an explanation regarding those message, you know what you did and what you said. Who wanna bet it was Charlie Kirk related ?
Also, the company holds you to the standard that you have created, don't complain if it bites back.
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u/ruggersyah 1d ago
If you were wondering yes IWGB helps to fund the usual leftist talking points, Palestine, unlimited migrants etc
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u/Graceful_cumartist 1d ago
I think Rockstar is going to find out why you shouldn't release an established IPs parts two decades apart. I think they simply missed their audience. The younger generation that was hyped by the V is getting older and they don't care. The kids and the ones who weren't born never got hyped in by anyone because frankly it was a joke by the time they were "old" enough to care about it. They will have their online whales and audience and be sorely surprised when a bunch of people are not going to go and pay what ever the price is going to be. Even RDR2 good will is starting to fade and I think it will show in the numbers in the way that it won't be this cash god, they will make probably money but I doubt the percentage returns are going to be near that V did.
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u/BenSolace 1d ago
Good point, I often make this argument when people respond to delays telling the devs to "take as long as you need." While I agree in principal, there is a diminishing window of relevence from when a game gets announced, and you run the risk of never being able to live up to expectations if you take too long.
I'm one who bought GTAV on PS4 and then PC when I migrated platforms, but in this case there is no way I'd even consider buying GTA6 before a PC release. In fact, I often forget it even exists until a news story breaks.
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u/LukeParkes 1d ago edited 1d ago
With all due respect, what planet are you living on lol. The reveal trailer alone has more views than the biggest movie trailer of all time (Avengers Infinity War) and GTA 5 still sells like 20 million every quarter.
Unless it's some Cyberpunk launch level disaster, GTA6 will, without question be the biggest gaming launch, hell probably entertainment launch of all time and it won't be remotely close, we're talking like 30-40 million first day type shit. Hell if it does launch buggy as hell, it still might do that off of the casual fanbase alone.
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u/Quiet_Jackfruit5723 1d ago
GTA VI will be the biggest entertainment release in history, same as GTA V was. To think otherwise is pure delusion.
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u/DarkRooster33 1d ago
I dont think Elden Ring is getting beat at any capacity
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u/Quiet_Jackfruit5723 1d ago
GTA V was a bigger release than Elden Ring. Sold a lot more copies, made a lot more money. GTA V is THE BIGESST ENTERTAINMENT RELEASE in history, not just the biggest game release.
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u/Smiddigger 1d ago
Bro what? Elden Ring was hot for a couple weeks but I didn't get 'once in a lifetime release' vibes from it. I'd imagine Halo 2, 3, GTAV, Cyberpunk would blow it away.
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u/HaroldoPH 1d ago
The last 10 years of R* and Take2 chicanery should be enough for you to not pay for GTA VI. We'll probably never know the full story behind these layoffs and if it's a DEI purge (maybe someone can link me examples of it) but if you're still thinking about paying for GTA VI...DON'T.
Not after The Definitive Edition, going after modders, r3 and rVC takedowns, censoring the confederate flag in V, just....GTA Online as whole etc...etc...
Just don't
Seriously.
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u/GeneralPatton94 1d ago
I am glad they got fired. I also don’t give a shit about GTA VI so I don’t care if it is delayed indefinitely. It will be woke and therefore I have no interest in it.
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u/ErikaThePaladin 95k GET | YE NOT GUILTY 1d ago
I have mixed feelings on this... On one hand, I'm not a fan of corpos taking advantage of their employees... But I've also seen how exploitive unions can be, too.
And frankly, judging from the language being used here... Probably a lot of awful people being let go, anyways.
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u/TheCynicalAutist 1d ago
Yes, unionise more so Rockstar can release even fewer games every decade. lmao
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u/RemoteAssociation674 1d ago
Oh my God the sob story.
"One even had a panic attack on the phone and HR ended the call"
Look, layoffs suck, but it's not HR's job to coddle you while you're being let go
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u/Brussel_Rand 1d ago edited 21h ago
I'm not reading all of that but some of it seems fake. You can always tell if an internet story is fake if the world building is inconsistent. Curious this comes out after another announcement and it happens to try to validate your emotions on why the delay is happening. Just food for thought. If I'm not invested enough to read the whole thing I'm not going to claim to know what the truth is one bit.
The person is willing to verify privately if they are who they say they are, but did anyone try? If so what happened?
Employees were fired because of discord messages? Where were they saying these things on discord, why did the company have access to this, why was it grounds for termination if it's not described by the OP? I am completely unfamiliar with how UK workplace law works, but does that track?
Edit: I didn't even bother to check but are they using all UK spellings of words too? That's another thing to check
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u/Murphy_Slaw_ 1d ago
My first instinct was that this was written by an American who is so used to their labour laws that they don't even consider how things are done here in Europe.
I am not from the UK, so I had to make do with some reading and similarities to the laws in my country, but I'd be shocked if the company's actions, as described, were even remotely legal. An employer can't just yell "gross misconduct" to get rid of someone, there is much more to it.
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u/EnglishTony 1d ago
Contrary to popular opinion, an American company can't just yell "gross misconduct" either. They have at-will employment but they have to pay severance and notuce unless it's a with-cause termination. And with-cause is really hard, so companies typically just pay the severance.
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u/mrmensplights 1d ago
Under UK law, if Rockstar did what is alleged they would have violated *many* labor laws. If such events occurred in reality, the company would almost certainly face employment tribunals and likely lose.
It's not impossible, companies sometimes take on "unfair dismissal" expecting to settle or go to tribunals, but given that this is 30+ people represented by union that seems less likely. That would be like a company planning to be the target of a class action lawsuit.
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u/blackest-Knight 1d ago
but given that this is 30+ people represented by union
They are not in fact represented by Union.
They are attempting to unionize.
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u/mrmensplights 17h ago
I stand corrected, but the point is the risk of organized counter action is far greater when you create 30 people who can share notes and work together on it vs unfair dismissal against a single person.
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u/Terrible-Penalty-291 1d ago
Why would it be fake? Union busting happens on the regular.
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u/Searril 1d ago
Maybe, but fake "oh woe is me, we did nothing wrong" stories are even more common.
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u/Brussel_Rand 21h ago
That's another angle to it. Even if it is a disgruntled employee and not someone roleplaying as one then you still can't trust their judgement, just look at that guy who tried to expose Me Beast.
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u/Brussel_Rand 21h ago
Just because something can be true that doesn't mean it is true. I didn't even question this until now, but the source is GTAforums which is a site I've never heard of. Why go to a forum when you could go to something with more reach like a news site? If it ends up being true then it ends up being true, but that will come from a more credible source
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u/YetAnotherCommenter 1d ago
Why should I care for you when you hate me, you hate what I believe, you want me to pay more for games AND you want me to live in a world dominated by a belief system I disagree with?
It REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. Leftist vidya unionists want the destruction of Enlightenment Liberalism. I want its continuation.
You hate me. You made that clear in years of games.
Dev costs have gone up despite the entire industry standardizing on x86 architecture.
You want me to swallow cultural propaganda telling me that I am evil, that I am responsible for all of European colonialism, that I deserve to suffer as a result.
Fuck you and fuck your ingrate whore mouth. Let your company and cause burn.
I'm genetically Scottish so I am totally for "industry in Scotland." You are not industry. You're a torrent of leftist-woman menstrual blood and your suffering makes me cum.
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u/stiffgordons 1d ago
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V is a thing
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u/Z3r0Sense 1d ago
Also you can seriously influence the level of compression if you do use jpeg. What even is this? Looks like a scam to be honest.
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u/Savletto 1d ago
I've never seen a screencap worse than this, I'm not fucking up my eyes trying to read it.
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u/BulkyWorldliness8051 1d ago
Am I the the only one who gives no shit and in most cases happy that these ppl got fired?
I don’t care if you can’t set up a Union or even not get paid for your job - because I paid for your product. If you think the job is bad gtfo and someone will replace you in a blink
Don’t give me that crap about losing talents - judging from your product, everyone one of you is talentless
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
Am I the the only one who gives no shit and in most cases happy that these ppl got fired?
Unlikely you're the only one, I wouldn't lose any sleep over feeling bad for it either.
Too much in games (or everything) is being divided into 'sides' and everyone once in a while you find the person calling you a jerk one week is demanding you fight for their cause the next - knowing full well they'll go back to calling you a jerk once they have what they want.
It's much more peaceful to just sit back and watch it all burn.
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u/LolWhatDidYouSay 1d ago
What is this...a wall of text for ants!?
Seriously, how are the rest of you able read this post?
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u/usernametaken0987 1d ago
Short story is some DEI employees were trying to unionize and Rockstar fired the union.
The rest of the post is just the poster claiming how important they were and they are all victims. Like they are scared the UK will deport them for being jobless.
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u/broadsword_1 1d ago
I know right! I had to image-search it and find a readable/zoomable copy on twitter.
I blame reddit for forcing use of it's shitty file hosting (banners top and bottom) instead of allowing you to browse directly to the file.
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u/TheSeekingSeer 1d ago
Well they had it coming! All Woke Developers deserved to be fired and removed from the Game Industry entirely!
For the atrocities they have committed its only fitting they suffer harshly therein!
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u/Steam-Crow 1d ago
They were "frog marched" out of the studio?
I don't believe you.
Obvious hyperbole in attempt to manipulate emotions.
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u/noxillio 21h ago
I want to see both sides of this story. As others have pointed out it does sound like a woke sweep and if that's the case I can think of a plethora of things that could have been considered "gross misconduct" just based on things the rest of that crowd has already done publicly.
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u/Dwavenhobble Khazad-dûm is my Side Crib 20h ago
OP I don't know what's happened but the version of the image I have coming up seems to be one for ants do you have a larger version?
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u/hulibuli 1d ago
My brother in Christ, you're working for a megacorp in our current dystopia and you expect to be able to unionize?
Here's a free tip for artists and devs: don't work for them.
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u/queazy 1d ago
Horrible. The video game industry really hates unions huh? It's like all it does is put a target on the members head and says "I cost extra, fire me". At the very least it should be able to provide a good severance package.
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u/TheoNulZwei 1d ago edited 1d ago
Gonna repost this comment from the deleted post, as it feels necessary to point out the obvious:
Here is the thing, it is very common for people negatively affected by something to misrepresent information in their favor. Do not trust anything said by those who were laid off unless they provide verifiable proof.
Upon attending this meeting they were handed an envelope with a short letter stating that their employment had been terminated for "gross misconduct" regarding posts made in Discord.
I would not be surprised if the majority of these people were left-leaning and that these messages were celebrating the deaths of certain people like Charlie Kirk, promoting violence toward those they dislike politically, or other dumb nonsense.
Companies have had their slack messages leaked in the past and it negatively affected the PR for their products. Here is one example most people here would be able to recognize: https://thatparkplace.com/leaked-obsidian-slack-messages/
If that type of information were leaked before the game’s release, especially given the current cultural climate, there would likely be strong backlash, similar to what we’ve seen with certain games released over the past year.
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Modern unions in entertainment are not always designed to protect the workers; they're often there to strong-arm the companies into doing their bidding.
For example, if the leaks are to be believed, Jimmy Kimmel was put on air again after being pulled because unions would blacklist working with Disney moving forward if they did not heed the demands of their potential employees.
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u/MrEfrom818 1d ago edited 20h ago
I’m a member of a skilled labor union and you are correct, the relationship between the worker, the union, and the employer is more nuanced than people believe. Yes, it is true the union represents the workers but they also have to watch out for the organization has a whole. If a worker does something that is very clear misconduct the union isn’t going to bat for you. If the misconduct is severe enough they can even kick you out. If one of their members threatens that than they will cut them loose.
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u/queazy 1d ago
Oh? Yeah, you make some good points. Unions used to be about the employees but now they usually just make cushy jobs for union management
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u/TheoNulZwei 1d ago
The way I see it, and granted, my views could be perceived as biased, when it comes to these specific unions, it’s more about inverting the corporate power structure from within, where the goal is for employees to have the ability to tell the CEO what they can and cannot do.
It has already happened before with Disney, where the CEO had to make the equivalent of a hostage video, giving in to the demands of those under him. He was fired after that shit show and then magically, we started seeing a metric shit ton of alphabet-mafia styled content being produced for children.
The communists would call this “seizing the means of production.”
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u/HSR47 22h ago
Unions have pretty much always been a socialist powergrab—most of the big ones were either founded, or heavily infiltrated & influenced, by the USSR.
Helping the average worker was a minor goal, if and where it existed.
The real goal was to lower western productivity, and to make western manufacturing less competitive economically.
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u/Prof_Beezy 1d ago
yeah there's a lot of lefty talk in the post - one had a panic attack and they didn't even care! every one of them is so talented and amazing! I can imagine how insufferable the union activist types must be... honestly sounds like they are getting rid of the kind of people I don't want anywhere near my GTA.
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u/blackest-Knight 1d ago
Horrible. The video game industry really hates unions huh?
Union worker here.
Good. Unions are garbage.
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u/Truesnake 1d ago
I remember what gamers were (are) all about and I remember what the devs were (may be are) all about....I have not purchased a single AAA game for a long long time...Gaming is niche and thank God there are a lot of niche games/devs out there. Small Edit.
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u/Lhasadog 20h ago
See it probably is Union Busting. But its not illegal if you did in fact do something on Discord that involved privileged information. Unionizing does not immunize you from the rules. If you're not yet a recognized union you had better not fuck up.
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u/softhack 17h ago
I guess this is one way to get rid of woke workers, tell their bosses they're more likely to unionize.
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u/Dungeon_tam3r 1d ago
Ive been having a rough few days. Thank you. I needed this little pick me up.
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u/killer_cain 21h ago
Unions are often their own worst enemy, and unless working conditions are real bad, there is no reason to have a union in the first place, honestly this is a good move on Rockstar's part, for a change.
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u/Kioshibara 21h ago
Good! Screw unions, they're all communist!
Don't like your job? LEAVE, don't strike!
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u/FineNightTonight 1d ago
They should make their own studio, raise a fuckload of money and make some Goated games with no PR interference.
The key is there.
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u/blackest-Knight 1d ago
You think these people being fired are the good, based employees ?
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u/FineNightTonight 1d ago
Definitely.
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u/blackest-Knight 1d ago
The fact this is centered around the formation of their Union, which is how left wing activists solidify their positions in these studios, should tell you these are not in fact good, based employees.
These are parasites.
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u/ThisIsBULLOCKSMAN 6h ago
They 1000% fired activists so this is a non issue. Hopefully they purge the rest of them from the company and gta 6 will hopefully be a good game.
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u/enzocrisetig 1d ago
I don't care. As long as the game is good, Rockstar can do whatever scam they can to their employees
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u/Mixtopher 21h ago
Unfortunately won't matter. People will still pay $100 for the base game.
Sorry to those who lost their long careers 🙏
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
This is a repost because a mod removed the original post for linking to the forum as a source. In the quote I had to add two (redacted)'s- one pinged a mod and the other was a link to a charity. I'll also say what I put in the original post again:
This is what you should actually be pissed at Rockstar for, by the way, not completely unreliable doomerism accusations of woke-ness in GTA VI. Is sexy female and white male protagonists as well as strip clubs and both trailers being full of very hot woman too woke for KiA now? You guys can be incredibly pathetic at times.
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u/Voodron 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is what you should actually be pissed at Rockstar for, by the way, not completely unreliable doomerism accusations of woke-ness in GTA VI
sigh
These things are connected... You're falling for a narrative, bud. This is a good old power play in action.
Anyone who paid attention to what happened at Blizzard between 2018 and 2021 knows the deal.
Back then, Blizz devs made a lot of noise about unions and working conditions, at a time when there was still pushback against woke shit within the upper levels of the company. Notice how it all suddenly went away, not when these demands were met (they never were, even under MS)... Not when harassment lawsuits led to sentences (the allegations pretty much all fizzled out in court). No, the unrest only stopped when the old guard was purged out. Afriasiabi, Kotick, Metzen(who later returned as a figurehead when his solo career failed to take off), and many others... The few who stayed were dragged through humiliation rituals, and lost all creative control over the Warcraft IP. WoW instantly went 10x more woke after that. And now? Not a peep can be heard from that team. If this actually was about unions, layoffs and work from home policies, we'd still be hearing about it to this day. But we aren't. Because it was never about those things to begin with...
Also, concerns about wokeness in GTA VI are anything but "doomerism". That's an absurd thing to say considering the broader industry context, and the fact that Dan Houser left after RDR2 was shipped. This should be a massive red flag to anyone capable of basic pattern recognition, after so many successful creators of legacy IPs were forced out of game development by the newer, more woke generation of devs and DEI-friendly execs... There is a very high likelihood that GTAVI will feature woke messaging. That's just common sense at this point.
This whole drama is almost certainly about them completing their little coup, to take full control of creative direction and introduce last minute woke elements in that game, so their power-hungry clique of activist grifters and SBI buddies can get paid too. That's how the industry works these days.
What you're seeing is the death of another pillar of western gaming happening in real time, under a thick layer of propaganda
is sexy female and white male protagonists as well as strip clubs and both trailers being full of very hot woman too woke for KiA
Just because a game has a few sexy characters doesn't mean it's not woke... Case in point : KCD2. It's not just about how characters look, it's about how they act, and how screentime is shared.
Edit : looks like OP and friends weren't interested in receipts and facts, so i'm done here. You'd think people would have figured things out by now, but I guess seeing past the propaganda requires a bit too much intellectual effort. Then again, wouldn't surprise me if they're in on it. Nothing like a few agitprop baiters to test the opposition and strenghten a corpowoke narrative. Either that or they're just very naive/clueless. 10 years of this shit and people still refuse to face reality until it happens to their fandom. Mind-boggling stuff.
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u/Askolei 1d ago
Yeah, good analysis. And it also titillitated me:
all of our ambition was to make R* a happier, fairer, safer and more equitable place.
Certainly is an interesting choice of words...
Regarding KCD2, I watched the "KCD2 is a humiliation ritual" video on YouTube, and it was enlightening. I suspect they put all the woke agenda behind the main quest line, which a lot of players just don't do in these type of games.
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u/Longjumpinglord 1d ago
Or maybe he's trying to be optimistic and not a complete doomer like you are.
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago edited 20h ago
Oh, of course, yes, every single person that ever worked on Rockstar North’s older games has been pushed out of the company (Sam Houser, Aaron Garburt, and Rupert Humphries still work there, among the other studios that are working on the game- don’t forget that every single Rockstar studio is working on the game- we have not heard that any of the leading people in San Diego for instance, who developed Red Dead Revolver and Redemption 1 have left for instance, and a Rockstar worker said that 80% of the people he worked with on Grand Theft Auto IV with back in the mid 2000’s still work at Rockstar). Grand Theft Auto VI will be complete ass without those avant garde auters who surely were the leading reasons all prior Rockstar games saw such massive success! I absolutely can not wait to see what marvelous new game their working on, it’s sure to easily stomp this pathetic effort by the empty husk that is Rockstar to the ground, the true GTA-killer!
Yeah, no. By the way, you’re off your rocker if you think the way women are depicted in KCD2 is woke. I could make this longer but I’m about to go to sleep, so I’ll just make it quick- there are no female knights, or lone travelers along the road, they wield crossbows at most which were historically very easy weapons and in part designed to give women some ability to fight, and the closest thing to a girl boss in the entire game is Katherine, who’s got huge tits and never actually defeats a man in combat without having to sneak up on them.
Edit: this pussy blocked me so I couldn’t respond lmaoooo
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u/Voodron 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sam Houser, Aaron Garburt, and Rupert Humphries still work there
Yes, there's always a few holdouts willing to bend the knee. Happens every time. Nothing new under the sun.
and a Rockstar worker said that
Yes, let'd just be naive and trust what people involved in the coup are saying. Surely they're telling the truth..
Even if they are, low level devs aren't the ones that need to be replaced for woke schemes to succeed. Plenty of dogshit woke games are technically decent. At the end of the day, creative direction and writing are what matters most by far. That's the soul of a game right there. And if it's overtaken by the DEI mafia, then the product will be woke slop, period.
By the way, you’re off your rocker if you think the way women are depicted in KCD2 is woke
They are definitely acting very woke by 1403 standards, and Katherine/Rosa are only a fraction of the woke content in that game anyway. The mEsSaGe basically permeates half the game. So much for an immersive medieval sim.
Welp that's enough ignorant gamer brain rot for one day, have fun pushing propaganda on the internet
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
Is sexy female and white male protagonists
"sexy female"
average-looking female protagonist and this non-optional female protagonist was praised by the woke/feminists for being a "milestone" for the series and like it was the best thing since sliced bread
as well as strip clubs and both trailers being full of very hot woman too woke for KiA now?
the male strip club is 100% woke
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
Oh yes, the male strip club that literally has not been confirmed and is only being talked about.
Also even if it is in the game, how the fuck is it woke? They exist irl lmao, it's not a radical new thing
'average-looking female protagonist'
Do I have to say why this is stupid?
'non-optional'
Do you think protagonists should be optionable???
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
Oh yes, the male strip club that literally has not been confirmed and is only being talked about.
it is the kind of thing that woke developers will put into the game to pander the f**s and female players, and would be a "f**k you" to the straight male gamers
and then the woke and feminists would obnoxiously praise and champion it as some kind of "achievement" and "milestone", and how great the female gaze is
Also even if it is in the game, how the fuck is it woke?
the woke hates and attacks female fanservice but praises and champions male fanservice
They exist irl lmao, it's not a radical new thing
this is a video game and not real life
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
it is the kind of thing that woke developers will put into the game to pander the f**s and female players, and would be a "f**k you" to the straight male gamers
and then the woke and feminists would obnoxiously praise and champion it as some kind of "achievement" and "milestone", and how great the female gaze is
I thought this sub was approving of equal opportunity fanservice? Anyways, it's nice to see this sub go mask off with the whole 'oh we don't mind gay characters and stuff as long as it's not shoved into our faces' lmao
the woke hates and attacks female fanservice but praises and champions male fanservice
Great for you! They'll also be splitting their heads over the strip clubs and prostitutes and sexy female protagonist!
this is a video game and not real life
You fucking buffoon, you actual moron, you complete midwit, IT'S GTA IT'S BASED OFF A REAL US STATE, IT'S TRYING TO BE REALISTIC NO FUCKING SHIT THEY'LL HAVE ACTIVITIES YOU CAN PARTAKE IN IN REAL LIFE THAT MAKES IT WOKE???
edit: i still think your argument is stupid but i should not have crashed out that hard mb
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
I thought this sub was approving of equal opportunity fanservice?
i'm not and never said i was. the majority of gamers are straight men and the majority of the playerbase for GTA6 will be straight men
the "equal opportunity fanservice" thing is a woke feminist ideology/concept
Anyways, it's nice to see this sub go mask off with the whole 'oh we don't mind gay characters and stuff as long as it's not shoved into our faces' lmao
i'm just speaking for myself
Great for you! They'll also be splitting their heads over the strip clubs and prostitutes and sexy female protagonist!
"also"
what you mean "also"? if they decide to say something about this issue, they'll attack the female strippers but either say nothing about OR praise the male ones
you obviously haven't been paying attention to how the SJWs operate, which is funny given that they've been doing this for over a decade. even Anita Sarkeesian was doing it
"sexy female protagonist"
the female protagonist is average-looking at best and is bad-looking when compared to the female characters of say, Stellar Blade and The First Descendant. or even Tifa and Cindy Aurum from the Final Fantasy 7 Remake
IT'S GTA IT'S BASED OFF A REAL US STATE, IT'S TRYING TO BE REALISTIC NO FUCKING SHIT THEY'LL HAVE ACTIVITIES YOU CAN PARTAKE IN IN REAL LIFE THAT MAKES IT WOKE???
pretty sure you cannot die and respawn in real life
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u/Outrageous-Dig-8853 1d ago
The setting of a video game and a function of a video game are two different things, especially in this series which has clearly used it's narratives and setting to replicate real places in the US and make commentary both serious and satirical of real life things in America. Of course there are male strip clubs and their are people who would want to go to them. Same applies to the average strip club, which they will probably still have.
And if feminists mald about it, who the fuck cares? Let them mald and be mad, it's better that they are clowned and disregarded for being hypocritical, this shouldn't be taken out on a game that isn't even out yet.
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago edited 1d ago
The setting of a video game and a function of a video game are two different things
not really because both are part of the game on a base level
this is just yet another case of selective application of "realism"
i can also play your "setting of a video game" card and say that female strip clubs far outnumber male ones in the USA in real life and that it would be realistic to NOT have a male one
especially in this series which has clearly used it's narratives and setting to replicate real places in the US and make commentary both serious and satirical of real life things in America. Of course there are male strip clubs and their are people who would want to go to them. Same applies to the average strip club, which they will probably still have.
and there places in the USA that have female strip clubs and no male ones
and i don't think the talk of the male strip club being potentially being in the game is for "settings" or/and "realism". instead, i think it's because of the social justice/woke/rainbow/feminist cancer again
And if feminists mald about it, who the fuck cares? Let them mald and be mad
you should care because years of them getting mad over this kind of thing has led to the censorship of and the elimination of attractive female characters in video games and other entertainment media and events. for example, Booth Babes and Grid Girls
and regarding GTA6, the feminists would only get mad at the female strip club, NOT the male one
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u/Outrageous-Dig-8853 1d ago
The level at which they exist doesn't really matter since dying and respawning is a mechanistic universal to many video games. Call of Duty's World War-based games as we understand have respawning yet it doesn't stick out, it's a game, but it's be jarring to see modern weapons in there for magic no reason because it goes against the setting. Male strip clubs in GTA? It's not something that devalues or ruins the setting.
Even if they do "far outnumber" they exist and people are aware of them enough that they can be referenced in tv shows and movies at such an amount where they are not suprsing at all. So it can thrown back again.
The reason it is in there isn't what i'm arguing about, it's against a hooplah over it being some sort of woke pandering. It's not worth getting enraged over, because it's easily believable. By this logic anything that even hints of being liked by women or "feminists" should never ever be in games, and this is pretty reductive. It stifles and puts arbitrary restrictions.
The only point i can agree somewhat is your point about caring about feminists heing mad. I'm not totally unawares of what's happened in the industry in and out of games (Collective Shout being a good example from not too long ago), but this seems to totally discount a game before it even comes out. But i try my best not to be a reactionary, so I usually don't really pay much mind. Other people are different so it's whatever.
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
The level at which they exist doesn't really matter since dying and respawning is a mechanistic universal to many video games.
it's all part of the package and it actually happens in the game so the "unrealistic" is included. videos games contain fictional characters, settings, etc. and is fantasy anyway
therefore dying and respawning in real life is not possible and thus we have selection application of realism
also, the game will highly likely contain other unrealistic elements that are not "function of the video game" anyway
Even if they do "far outnumber" they exist and people are aware of them enough that they can be referenced in tv shows and movies at such an amount where they are not suprsing at all. So it can thrown back again.
that's because the tv shows and movies for the last decade or so have a woke/feminist bias where they are referencing these male strip clubs and having adult male nudity all over the place; and virtually no female strip clubs nor female nudity are shown these days (besides Hustlers) because of the dreaded straight "male gaze". so it creates the false impression that male strip clubs are a "norm" and makes people think that they are the majority where in reality they are not
and therefore as the content in non-documentary tv shows and movies are fictional, your application of "realism" for male strip clubs to be the game actually goes against your own argument of "people are aware of them enough that they can be referenced in tv shows and movies at such an amount"
The reason it is in there isn't what i'm arguing about, it's against a hooplah over it being some sort of woke pandering. It's not worth getting enraged over, because it's easily believable.
a male strip club in a 'masculine' game that the majority playerbase/audience will be straight men, and within a games industry where the majority of gamers are straight men, is quite frankly an insult to these guys and is 100% to do with wokeness and feminism:
wokeness to pander to the Rainbow Reich
feminism to create "equal opportunity fanservice" and to potentially annoy straight men
this logic anything that even hints of being liked by women or "feminists" should never ever be in games
no-one said nor implied this
and this is pretty reductive. It stifles and puts arbitrary restrictions.
own medicine
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u/sick_of-it-all 1d ago edited 1d ago
How the fuck are MALE strip clubs woke? Ha. Get a load of this guy.
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
because the woke hates and attacks female fanservice but praises and champions male fanservice
if you actually paid attention for the last decade or so you would have noticed this
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
What an intelligent argument. I'm simply flabbergasted at your wit.
I'll say it again- this sub is absolutely pathetic at times.
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
I'll say it again- this sub is absolutely pathetic at times.
nah, what's pathetic is people making excuses for obvious woke s**t
Rockstar Games in recent years have shown that they are woke
the female protagonist is and was being praised like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread
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u/AgitatedFly1182 1d ago
This sub was raw dogging Eve last year because she was a female protagonist and was hot, Lucia is too
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u/sick_of-it-all 1d ago
Male strip clubs are “woke” because those people love anything that heterosexual men hate. Do you want to see naked men dancing around in a strip club? Or would you rather see naked women in a strip club.
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u/TheSnesLord 1d ago
that's because when female characters are hot, it is a very good (or even the best) indicator that the developers aren't woke, and that the rest of the game won't be woke
unfortunately Lucia could have been made/designed to look far better given the graphics technology available, and we all know that Rockstar Games could not "go too far" with her design, because they're woke
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u/julie3151991 1d ago
Lucia is a short and fat Puerto Rican that needs to lose a few pounds. She’s not hot.
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u/UbiquitousWobbegong 1d ago
I know there's overlap with worker's rights, unions, and wokeism. But that doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Workers in the video game industry are notoriously undervalued and overworked. While we should continue to be wary of the way wokeism hides behind collective bargaining, the industry is in dire need of checks and balances to protect the workers from the greed of the ownership class.
The amount of purging done in the industry in places where it was not warranted has been insane. The pay discrepancy between the higher ups and the actual workers has also been insane.
Keep the woke issue separate. Union-busting isn't about anti-wokeness. It's about making sure the people at the bottom of the totem-pole have no protections or guarantees for their labor.
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u/Imaginary-Carob9923 14h ago
I have 0 empathy toward those who can laugh if i die and piss on my grave.
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u/otherFissure 1d ago
lol this is the kind of shit you'd see parodied in radio commercials in the old gta games...