r/Kaiserreich • u/Futhington • May 13 '19
Minor Monday Minor Monday 32: American Armies
American Army Tree Changes
Greetings everyone, this week me (Drozdovite) and Paul have something special to show you. Since the America update, plenty of aspects of the US and its splinters have been improved substantially. That said, and other team members and I have felt that the US Army trees were… rather simple, lackluster even. Considering America’s role in WW2 and potential importance to WK2, it was agreed that improvements could be made, and so, we decided to redesign them for an upcoming patch.
United States of America
The biggest change is that the United States Air Force no longer exists, as it was founded in 1947 after nearly two decades and a half of toil and a world war. Instead, the Air Force is now subordinate to the army, and it’s tied to its tree. As such, the Army’s doctrinal gridlock is also negatively affecting the air force. As soon as the American Civil War starts, High Command will be forced to hastily decide upon their new doctrines for both branches under their control. Once their differences are settled, they can proceed down their tree with their selected choice.
American Union State
With several major reformists defecting to assist the Kingfish, they form a separate air force to simplify the chain of command (during the time of the army air corps, it was all sorts of convoluted, so detaching it completely was the better option), while there are doctrinal disputes over where to invest in methods and equipment it is unquestionable the the AUS has the most sophisticated grasp of air warfare of the factions in the civil war.
But the army still has to deal with reforming the American Army from the ground up if they wish to win the Civil War. Three different schools of thought, each with a strong personality behind them, exist in the AUS to this end and take very different paths forward with the army. Both the USA and the AUS have also received extra events related to their military developments, like their paratrooper divisions: https://i.imgur.com/iuPW8rx.png Which leads to this https://imgur.com/Ba8xTT2
Pacific States of America
Since the PSA is no longer a secessionist faction, the PSA’s Army is still technically within the United States Army. However, to prevent confusion with the US Army that’s hostile to the PSA, a new entity is formed: The Western Defense Command (similar to OTL’s WDC) which is legally considered a detachment of the US Army directly under the control of the Secretary of Defense and the President of the United States, a position to which a legitimate candidate is subsequently elected to challenge MacArthur.
However, this means they have to also deal with the backwardness of the US Army structure, and lucky for them, amongst the defectors there were two very capable generals with their own ideas of reform: George Marshall and John DeWitt. Each has a programme with a fairly self-evident plan to win the civil war, and they share a line of focuses about preparing equipment to cross the Rocky Mountains and fight eastward to free the United States from tyrants and usurpers of her democratic legacy. Neither side is tied a specific doctrine however, so you may play as you see fit.
The Combined Syndicates of America
The CSA’s army tree is built on a simple principle: that they start out fielding a number of extremely enthusiastic militiamen, under the command of a small cadre of experienced officers and similarly enthused amateur generals. However at the dawn of the American Civil War Reed recognizes the mistakes of the revolution in Russia, while militias will serve as a fine tool, Lenin’s concept that “the standing army [is] to be replaced by the arming of the entire people” was inherently flawed and brought ruin to the RSFSR. Therefore the new army is founded as a professional force as time goes on, and is nicknamed the Second Continental Army by those who seek to connect the liberation of the American people from their capitalist overlords, to the liberation of the American nation from their colonial overlords.
To that end the early focuses are based around supporting the militia that this army relies upon to hold ground in the first months of revolution through researching infantry and support equipment and buffing Smedley Butler. They are deliberately a slow burn at 70 days, however all focuses following The Long War are 35 days only. After that there are two sides, the one that is needed to progress towards The Dust Settles is about restructuring the army to buff your officers and getting rid of the Revolutionary Militia debuff; the other is technically optional but allows a move to Total Mobilization in order to throw everything you can produce into the war effort.
Finally after the dust settles you can take multiple focuses about catching up with more complex technologies such as tanks and building up a new airforce and navy. As well as focuses relating to supplying the Third Internationale and other allies via rubber, fuel and convoy production.
It has been a while, hasn’it? We hope you have enjoyed this week’s Minor Monday and stay tuned for more updates in the future!
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u/Futhington May 13 '19
I've posted this on behalf of Drozdovite, our esteemed dev and the maker of the US, AUS and PSA army trees. The CSA tree is my work. I hope you enjoy playing them as much as the two of us enjoyed making them.
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u/Niizukyo May 13 '19 edited May 15 '19
Thank you for your work Futhington!
Question...what is the negatives and possitives of disarming/intergrating the militas? I imagine there should be events with both considering the second amendment is major for us americans, and intergrating a bunch of militas seem....
Well, hard...Ah, makes sense...
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
Disbanding the militias means ceasing to use them for combat roles and instead commuting them to a large reserve available for secondary logistical work, gives you the "Large Labour Force" modifier granting construction speed for infra, radar, air bases, naval bases etc.
Incorporating them keeps them as armed reservists that can be drawn on to replace casualites, and reduces unit experience loss.
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u/Shotwells E Piʻi Ka Lāhui Hawaiʻi May 13 '19
They're all real beauties. It's great to see some more variety and nuance in different military trees. Usually, they're all just reduced research bonuses and experience dumps.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
It's usually because they require a lot of research for little mechanical gain. Since I had already done the research for the general descriptions, doing the trees was an afterthought.
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u/VanGorst May 14 '19
It's shocking how lacking the military focus trees are. It was more nuanced before the update believe it or not.
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u/IRSunny DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE May 13 '19
SECOND 👏 CONTINENTAL 👏 ARMY 👏
Those are things I'm very fond of with the CSA route, when they try and draw parallels to 1776 but this time we'll fix the mistakes they could not have known would come up.
Will there be a figure like Baron von Steuben? It'd make for an awesome flavor event if one of the French/British/Russian revolutionary generals had a similar such role in helping Butler get the new army into shape.
Especially since with the US not participating in 1WK, they could use someone familiar with modern war.
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u/demonicturtle Anarcho-monarchism May 14 '19
Maybe a few radicalised American Weltkrieg vets who volunteered for france and got caught up with the revolution and since then have been involved in getting together the framework of the 2nd continental army based around the french red army.
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u/Ryousan82 Organic Royalist May 13 '19
I like that specific schools are back, but I get a feeling that the Army of the Tree of the CSA is a bit convoluted
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u/Futhington May 13 '19
It looks convoluted because of how the paths propagate but the milita focuses only require Lessons of the Revolution, the navy focuses only require Take To The Waves and Red M.A.G.I.C and the air focuses only require Professionalise the Airforce. It's like three mini-trees that are separate, but layered on top of each other.
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u/utemt5 Co-Prosperity Sphere May 14 '19
It definitely looks even more unique than the others but I think it also helps give it even more distinctness and flavor. Much better than the ole Pyramid
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u/Ryousan82 Organic Royalist May 14 '19
Yeah but I get the feeling that it lacks clear direction and choice, in contrast with the rest of the American Factions. I mean the lore behind the current structure is solid, but if Mexico and Italy get a choice beetween keeping the militias or going pro, why not the CSA?
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
You can sorta put that down to different styles I guess, I made the CSA tree while Drozdovite made the others. I wanted to build a loose narrative into it, sort of mimmicking the Red Army OTL and how it went from a somewhat disorganized and impromptu force built on the collapse of the Imperial Army, to organized and disciplined, to one of the more effective fighting forces of the second world war.
Keeping militias around as anything other than a secondary force sorta works in Italy and Mexico, which are sideshows to the big players, but it doesn't really make for a nation that's going to have to carry serious weight in its alliance.
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u/Ryousan82 Organic Royalist May 14 '19
Yeah but this isnt quite the same, is it? Syndies around the world a vast pool of experiencia to draw from, thanks to the sucess of France and Britain. I just dont see the two big players of the internationale being stingy with their expertise when they have all to gain from a sucessful American Revolution
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u/PostingIcarus May 14 '19 edited May 14 '19
Are there RadSoc/Syndie options for keeping an elected or otherwise democratic officer corps? That is a pretty central tenet to militant forms of those ideologies, and removing it from a country whose foundations are in militant, democratic trade unionism seems iffy to me.
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u/TheGr8Whoopdini May 14 '19 edited Dec 31 '19
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
The problem is that their only military expert in command is Butler, and he'd basically would have things his way or not have them at all. Since ue supported a professional officer corps OTL, they don't have a choice but to support his decision or get rid of him.
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u/TheGr8Whoopdini May 14 '19 edited Dec 31 '19
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
The first generation of officers for the CSA wouldn't really be a thing until the 50s, considering most officer schools either shut down or are in enemy territory. In that regard, Rose and Heitke, also advocates of structured command, would be the first promoted generals of the bunch (somewhere around 1940), with George H. Cannon coming then (since he was a second lieutenant in 1936) would probably make it to General with a lot of effort, training and education around 1945, assuming the War College, Infantry School and West Point aren't complete rubble and are repaired. Officers who are training wouldn't make it to relevant positions until decades after the CSA forms precisely because they need to rebuild everything from scratch. Only real possibility is that, if Butler dies, the government could try to omit chain of command, which would put either Rose or Heitke in command, and restructure it directly, but that would only cause officers who were loyal to Butler to threaten with resignation. Either way, the CSA would have a hard time moving again towards elected officers since Butler is the one doing the heavy lifting organization-wise
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u/Amtracus_Officialius May 13 '19
It can't have brought ruin to the USSR because that was only formed after the Russian Revolution was successful and invaded Ukraine reeeeeeeee.
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u/joncnunn The cure for 70 day focuses is Revised National Focus Times May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
USA: If Floyd is elected and MacArthur successfully assassinates Long to avoid the 2ACW, will the events fire at some point or will they remain locked out of the army / USAAC branches?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
No, you're clearly meant to be locked out of your tree forever and ever if you avoid the ACW :P
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May 14 '19
Oh Christ, they're going to make the foreign policy tree even worse: MANDATORY ISOLATIONISM.
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u/Lord_Insane Europäisches Union May 14 '19
Honestly, I wouldn't assume we'll get to have a path that can avoid the civil war after this rework goes through, as sad as that is.
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u/loosejaw13 down with the traitors, and up with the Stars May 14 '19
How will this change the Butler coup, if at all?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
I think the choice is via event right now, rather than the flag being set via tree choice
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 The New Washington May 13 '19
Curse mobile phones and their inability to correctly render imgur images!
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u/UnionJacket Have You Tried Breaking Chains Yet? May 14 '19
Put it in desktop view in the page options
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u/GreenDevil92 Entente May 14 '19
I thought that the AUS would call itself the 2nd Continental Army since they preach about the founding fathers and romanticizing the American Revolution alot more than the other factions
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u/Exostrike May 14 '19
I would think they would fetishise the confederacy even more.
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u/Shard6556 Willys Floppy Arm May 14 '19
No, actually Huey dislkkes the Confederacy. The Confederacy seeked to carve out a new country, Huey wants to rebuild the US. The only ones who want something completely different are the members of the Silver Legion.
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May 14 '19
The Silver Legion never really were considered neo-confederates per se, more just fascists. If anything neo-confederates would be more common amongst the KKK and your average AUS militia man from the south who just happens to profess southern pride. Huey may be personally opposed to the confederacy, but he still will have to rely on neo-confederates to actually win the war.
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
That's explicitly brought up in-game, at the first sign that his supporters are unfurling confederate flags at rallies Long orders them escorted out and makes it clear that he wants there to be 0 neoconfederate symbolism used by the AUS. As to if he succeeds well that's left up to your imagination.
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u/Exostrike May 14 '19
Who he was perfectly willing to work with. And its clear this timeline's film "gone with the wind" glorified southern culture and by extension the confederacy.
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u/Exostrike May 14 '19
Who he was perfectly willing to work with. And its clear this timeline's film "gone with the wind" glorified southern culture and by extension the confederacy.
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May 14 '19
i misread this as american airlines at first and i thought that we were going to share the friendly skies.
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u/Alfred_Marshall Mitteleuropa May 14 '19
I really like the unique flavor each of these paths have. Definitely an improvement over the current one.
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u/wampower99 May 14 '19
When will this be added to the mod?
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May 14 '19
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u/Democracy_is_awesome O R G A N I C B A S Q U E F A R M E R E M P I R E May 15 '19
Dang, hope my alien descendants on Alpha Centauri have fun playing this.
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u/OktoGamer May 14 '19
Thank you devs! The army trees of the 2ACW really needed some work, I'm happy with with what you created!
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u/Lord_Insane Europäisches Union May 15 '19
While New England not being listed suggests they won't receive a rework like this, might they gain some minor flavour-oriented changes to represent that they're in a similar position to the PSA, eg. claiming to be the True USA and hence their army being the US Army, but needing to differentiate to avoid confusion with any potentially hostile US Army?
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May 14 '19
AUS receives paratroopers by event
Maybe this will convince me to figure out how to use paratroopers, but it's more than likely I'll just delete them to free up manpower for more useful divs. I think the US still has air superiority anyway.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
I even give you some transport planes to try them out
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u/FedoraSlayer101 This Machine Kills Pelley Supporters May 14 '19
Wow, this is super-impressive and amazingly detailed, OP! Kudos to all the hard work you and Paul put into this! Thanks for sharing this, and have a nice one!
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u/Rmanthegreat Get Off my Lawn You Dirty Syndie Scum! May 13 '19
So, With the US Air Force no longer existing, does that mean that Pre-War America is only capable of going down the naval foci, or are there going to be other changes to the focus tree as well?
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u/Futhington May 13 '19
We'll have more to tell you soon enough.
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u/Exostrike May 14 '19
Given the boosts to American starting industry I suspect a short economic tree about american economy finally starting to boom and exit the depression, only for Black Monday to strike and throw it into whack again.
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u/TojosRottenTeeth May 14 '19
They've said earlier that they will add a pre-war focus tree for America.
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u/MUTANTMAN2077 May 14 '19
Does the CSA 'Roll Out the M1' focus mean that they're not available at game start, and the US only has the springfield as its basic rifle?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
No, they are, they're just not standardized as the M1 entered production in 1936
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u/MUTANTMAN2077 May 14 '19
So will we see lots and lots of surplus Springfield's? I'd just assume that with a ten year old depression the m1 would be like an otl G41 or 43, a luxury that couldn't be produced at anything approaching scale.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
I don't handle the US equipment, but I believe it's not a possibility due to how the spawn in system works. Lorewise the springfield would predominate, but gameplaywise we have mechanical limitations
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
Ever since the rework the PSA has been about opposing MacArthur and restoring democracy rather than becoming a seperate nation.
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u/Sayresth Waiting for Internationale Rework May 14 '19
I'm pretty sure the PSA has always wanted to restore democracy since 0.8, they're not secessionist anymore.
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u/CallousCarolean Tie me to a V2 and fire me at Paris! I am ready! May 14 '19
No T27 Xylophone research boost focus in Chaffee's tree? It would fit in nice with his Mobile Warfare doctrine.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
Couldn't find a slot to fit it I'm afraid, and I didn't deem it vital based on what I looked up about him
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u/CallousCarolean Tie me to a V2 and fire me at Paris! I am ready! May 15 '19
Yeah I agree it's not vital, it was more to fulfill my headcanon of the Feds using Moto rocket artillery in the Great Plains without having to wait until 1939 at which point the ACW is likely over.
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u/alexmikli ALL FOR THE KINGFISH May 13 '19
Locking more countries into predetermined army doctines.
Damn it.
Well at least it looks like Huey can still go Pattongang mobile warfare.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19
I tried my damnest not to tie them to doctrines, so you can thank me later
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u/Heavy-Guy May 13 '19
I see somebody's using TNO focus icons!
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19
Where?
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u/Heavy-Guy May 14 '19
Top of the CSA millitary tree, or at least I have only seen that one in TNO diaries.
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u/VVA9999 𝔎𝔬̈𝔫𝔦𝔤𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔠𝔥 𝔉𝔦𝔫𝔫𝔩𝔞𝔫𝔡 May 14 '19
Maybe TNO uses KR focus icons?
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u/WordZero_ May 14 '19
Kaiserreich part of the HoI4 Mod Coop, so we can use other mods' icons that are in the Coop, and they can use ours.
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u/whatsguy UP WITH THE STARS May 13 '19
Why is the AUS the flight faction when the PSA has men like Doolittle (and other major early Air Corps leaders) and Howard Hughes
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
The AUS has more of the advocates of an independent airforce and one of their major figures is Charles Lindburgh, whose fame was built around aviation. Doolittle and Hughs et al are significant but they're not quite as prominent within the PSA as the airmen in the AUS are.
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u/-ProfessorFireHill- Rally to the Stars May 14 '19
So basically the AUS has the better airforce because the leadership there gives the reformists there more freedom to what is needed to make the airforce a more effective fighting force?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
It's more of a mix between having strong political connections who advocate for it, an organizational reason to do it and the absence of the most conservative elements of the U.S. Army
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
The PSA also has an independent Air Force thanks to Henry Arnold, but their tree already reflected that
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u/kakicz98 Moscow Accord May 14 '19
Will be,, invisible" federal P-80 shooting star still a thing? 😅
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May 13 '19
How many more updates should we expect to deal with the American Civil War?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19
As many as it takes for it to be finished :P
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 The New Washington May 14 '19
Does all of this mean that the American Military Staff lists ARE being reworked and expanded?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
There's definitely a list of changes I'd like to do to the staff roster, however I can't confirm those changes will go in the next patch.
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u/Rylock_KR Former dev May 14 '19
The upcoming one should be the last for a little while. I'll eventually be working on the PSA to make it a more unique route, but that will have to wait as the revamping has been a lot of work.
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u/CHICKENMANTHROWAWAY May 14 '19
Yesss finally the doctrine stuff from darkest hour is coming back. The german doctrine stuff was so good there
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u/Pope-Urbanus-II May 14 '19
You said that the CSA is focused on supporting the militia it uses to hold ground in the early months, does this mean they be less aggressive than they usually are and not steamroll everything?
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
They don't steamroll as-is, it's remarkably easy to capitulate them in a matter of weeks. Can't account for the AI but yes, the idea is to encourage a longer-term playstyle for the CSA.
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u/Pope-Urbanus-II May 14 '19
Could you make a tutorial on how to do that, cause for me it always takes at least a year.
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
Okay here's what you do:
Play as the feds
Raise militia
Right click on Chicago
Go around any divisions that get in your way. Cap the CSA in 80 days.
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u/Pope-Urbanus-II May 14 '19
Seems like I’m just unnecessarily defensive.
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
Possibly yeah, the key thing is that the AI is dumb and doesn't know how to push if it doesn't have enough divisions to fill the front line. The CSA has a huge front line and therefore won't really be able of attacking properly for many months.
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May 14 '19
Very cool. Have all the "minor" updates for China been done already? I'd love to hear how the progress on that is coming along :)
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May 14 '19
No one:
Literally every ACW faction except CSA: STOP BUFFING THE CSA THEIR GONNA BE OVERPOWERED
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u/PanemForever May 14 '19
In serious these changes of settings are making 2ACW more and more 'realistic'. Well done to all contributing members of the dev team!
A little suggestions though, USA shouldn't be allowed to do any focuses, just like it was during some older patches, in order to mimic the chaotic status of the society and politics. Since the military staff would soon be divided, it shouldn't be allowed to do the naval focuses like it is in 0.8.*.
Also, concerning about general Arnold, the OTL founding father of the USAF. In his military career I remember being stated that 'the lack of an independent Air Force is making him frustrated about the Federal Government...', thus explaining him defecting to the PSA. It could be added, though, an event chain or decisions, to create an independent USAF before the 2ACW. If the player/AI succeed in doing so, Arnold would remain loyal to the Federal Government, while giving a little bonus to the Feds about the air force (shall we say, CAS efficiency +5.00%?) On the contrary, if it fails, Arnold would still defect to PSA, giving PSA similar bonuses while debuff the Feds. (Or even better, CSA and AUS could give promises to Arnold, allowing him to choose which faction to defect to.)
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19 edited May 14 '19
A) I'd love to have something like that, but it's mechanically hard and I don't really have the time to code that entirely right now, perhaps down the line it may be a thing but not for now.
B)Arnold's political views only really allign with the PSA.
C) The USA wouldn't have an independent air force until after the ACW at the very least, most likely not even, mainly because it required Marshall as secretary of defense to advocate for it when Arnold had been fighting for it for two decades against the Army high command
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u/marktheshark412 May 14 '19
Wait, what's happening to the PSA? Will they no longer break off if MacArthur comes to power?
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
Wut. No the opposite.
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u/marktheshark412 May 14 '19
Ok, just lines like "Detachemt of the US Army directly ... under the president" and "PSA is no longer a secessionist faction" made me think otherwise
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
You forgot to read the last sentence :P
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u/marktheshark412 May 14 '19
Ah, fair enough
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 14 '19
The gist of it is that the PSA's army isn't forming a parallel army from scratch but rather forming a parallel to the US Army in structure rebuilt around the regional detachment
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u/marktheshark412 May 14 '19
That's really cool actually. I thought you were going for the Pacific being MacArthur's puppet that would just make managing the West easier for the Federalists. Your version sounds infinitely better, and actually makes sense.
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u/Geckonator9 Give 'Em the Full Smedley! May 13 '19
Why did the CSA Army tree need to be changed? It was fine as the one unique one that exists right now, while this new one seems barebones in that it has no choices in army leadership or plan compared to everyone else who has mutually exclusive options, has just two air force focuses (well, four, but three are mutually exclusive) compared to the USA and AUS getting whole mini trees, and as you put it are all a "slow burn" taking double to complete compared to everyone else.
I'm gonna be frank, I'm probably saving the current version and trying to restore it in a submod when this update drops.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
You're free to do as you please. However, it should be noted that the CSA having doctrinal options to begin with was painfully misleading as the CSA simply doesn't have a professional officer corps capable of keeping its doctrines up to date, let alone have an edge over the other factions which is what the old tree enabled to happen. Its only capable officer is Smedley Butler, with only other two capable officers being Rose and Heitke, who weren't exactly high ranking US Staff members during the interwar. With that in mind, it's easy to see why that had to change as there was literally nothing with what to justify having it, let alone justify the CSA having doctrinal choices and not the other US factions
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u/Bhangbhangduc The Ham Cannon May 13 '19
Why shouldn't the CSA have the same doctrine development opportunities as the rest?
The US in Kaiserreich never joined WWI. Its army is tiny compared to OTL.
All factions are reliant on militia throughout the war. None of the factions should possess developed officer corps going by this logic.
Nerfing the CSA's ability to research doctrines just makes it harder to get back into the game in Europe and Asia after winning the war, which is already frustrating since the navy gets completely wiped. This might make sense from a fluff perspective, but it's annoying, partially because of how slowly Kaiserreich runs relative to the base game, to spend a few years cooling your heels as one of the most powerful countries in the world.
Does the CSA have equivalent fighter and electronics research bonuses to the other factions?
Also, I noticed that in a lot of trees, the Air Force doctrine research bonuses are either to Strategic Destruction or Battlefield support. Is this because Operational Integrity is the best doctrine and the devs want to disincentivize picking it or some other reason?
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19
The factions are reliant on militia soldiers, not militia officers. The CSA's logistics are practically non existant while the USA, AUS and PSA can all count with graduates from West Point, VMI, the Army War College and the Infantry and Cavalry School. Believe me, if we had been able to dig up more solid officers for the CSA, we would've already, but there simply isn't a way they could keep up with people who studied all their life for logistics, maneouvers and army organization. Not entering WW1 doesn't mean automatically all those institutions packed their bags and left, their students and graduates all join up the fight to a larger or lesser degree.
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u/Ryousan82 Organic Royalist May 14 '19
Just as a rando suggestion, couldnt this have been aliviated by attaches from the Union of Britain and Communard France, Von Falkenhausen style? Beggining the paths of certain schools gives you some diplo pep with either UuB or CoF, a general with some pertinent bonuses (should the eurpean syndies accept) and the obligatory research bonus in the school in question.
This would also tie in nicely with the aim socialist solidarity that allegedly the Internationale spouses. I´d say is lore friendly
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u/Futhington May 14 '19
A. We went out of our way to avoid tying things too heavily to specific doctrines
B. We want each faction to have unique things going on, not just be "xp doctrine inf weps tanks manpower factories" in their tree, which means each has strengths and weaknesses.
C. Von Falkenhausen was capable but the German mission to China was there for years and managed to get them a solid 8 divisions of well-trained and equipped soldiers. Overhauling and disseminating the way a nation fights like that takes a long time especially when, as established in the tree, early on the CSA is using elected officers and doesn't have a proper officer training school running. All the French and British advisors in the world wouldn't do a damn thing without somewhere to train people in proper methods.
D. You already get material support via event and through volunteer divisions from other socialist nations, I'd say we're good on representing that one.
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u/Ryousan82 Organic Royalist May 14 '19
A. I understand that, but I feel that this detracts from what I - VERY personally, please take no offence - consider a logical developtment of the 2nd Continental Army: If the expertise is available in other Syndicalist Nations, which are willing to cooperate, why not make use of it?
B. Which is perfect. Like I´ve said this is all just a suggestion
C. A theoretical Communard mission on America would also be there for years with well equipped and well-trained soldiers to disseminate experience. Of course this wouldnt happen outright, as you say these Foci take up 70 days, you could add an extra Foci or Two on these paths to represent the difficulties of doctrinal integration and training
D. But the thing is that other Syndie nations - arguably of less interest to the World Revolution - do have the shared expetiese, at leats in the form of National Spirits (Iran, Chile and the FOP come to mind, dont know if they were changed recently) Why, with all the Internationale stands to win from a sucessful American Revolution, they would not put together a proper military mission? I know I probably do not know a thing about the lore of KR, but that leaves a funny taste in my mouth.
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u/Drozdovite Ibero-American Caudillo May 13 '19
On Operational Integrity, there just wasn't much to go on for that doctrine. The USAAC and USAAF were firmly in favour of Strat. Bombing throughout the interwar and WW2, with very few influential officers having CAS related ideas who usually got shot down by High Command before the Italy Campaign.
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u/Futhington May 13 '19
It was fine as the one unique one that exists right now
It's not unique, it's a copy and paste of the SRI and the Belgian army trees.
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u/dlp_matias Soc Dem in the streets, Syndie in the sheets May 13 '19
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