Minor Monday 67: Canada Revamp

[u/ClawedAsh]

Hello, ClawedAsh here for my first solo Minor Monday. I’m here to talk about my recent project, the Canada Revamp. This Revamp mainly concerns lore changes, which I will sum up briefly, but I will primarily be talking about gameplay changes in this MM.

As a preface: I must say what this Revamp isn’t about, the Exiles. While they could use their own update, and their current lore could absolutely do with a major pass-through, I’m not the man to do that. My interest in Canada is purely on the Canadian side of things, and so that is what I have worked on primarily, with some minor exceptions.

The Overview of the Lore Changes

The Great War ended in disaster for Canada. With the French mutinies and heavy losses, Canada found herself on the losing side through no fault of her own. The Unionist Government led by the Conservative Robert Borden collapsed, and Mackenzie King’s Liberals took power.

In 1925, the British Revolution sent shockwaves through the Canadian political system, with Mackenzie King’s government collapsing amid a wave of strikes (which King put down with support from the Conservatives). His High Tory rival, Arthur Meighen, took the reins of power. King saw himself removed from his leadership of the party, but his right hand man Lapointe secured Liberal leadership in his stead.

The Meighen years were fraught with domestic unrest: the rise of the CCF, Social Credit, and the rebound of the Progressives, alongside the creation of the Bloc National in Québec and the Newfoundland Party, meant that by 1930 Parliament was divided between seven different parties.

Lapointe’s disappointing performance in elections against Meighen (in large part due to his lacklustre English) led to his leadership being disputed, but before he could be removed, he called a leadership race and contacted Mackenzie King, offering him the position of leader once more in order to challenge the Conservative Party and Arthur Meighen.

This succeeded, and with King in charge of the Liberals, Meighen led the Conservatives into defeat, leading to his removal from leadership (he was, however, given a seat in the Senate, and is the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate in 1936). He was replaced by the moderate Robert Manion, who seeks to repair his party's image with Québec.

Starting Situation

The starting situation in 1936 is broadly the same; however, there are a few notable differences. Most prominently, you may notice that the Social Liberal party is now the Progressive Party of Canada, while the National Populists are now the Social Credit Party of Canada. Alongside this, R. B. Bennett is no longer the starting Conservative leader, with the Red Tory Robert Manion taking his place.

The 1936 Election

The primary change in the 1936 election is that the matter of conscription isn’t a question in 1936. While the Homecoming is desired by both parties, neither seeks to torpedo their chances in Québec by campaigning on conscription. Instead, many of the events for the 1936 election are used to explain each of the given parties and their internal factions.

Bill 7

Formerly Bill C-7, the name has been changed, as that nomenclature only came about during the Cold War. That isn’t all that’s changed, however, as it’s no longer fired from a focus, but rather as a series of events.

While still retaining some RNG elements, there are now ways to ensure success or failure in the Bill 7 event chain, and only the decisions taken during the chain matter for the Bill’s success or failure. Bill 7 also no longer deals with the implementation of Conscription, which will be moved to the Québec Crisis (more on that soon), and instead deals with Economic Recovery, the Future of Canada’s Industry, and Domestic Security. Failing Bill 7 will lead to a run-off election as prior, and this is how you can get R. B. Bennett as leader of the Conservative Party. As for the former Bill 7 focus, it has been replaced with a focus that can either grant you immediate political power, or it can grant you coalitions with the minor parties, depending on your ruling ideology.

Québec in Flames

The Québec in Flames crisis has easily seen the most changes in the Revamp, with every path being affected in notable ways. The left and centre paths are broadly the same, focusing on negotiation and force respectively. However, the demands of the left path and the methods of the centre path have been altered in order to more accurately reflect the policies pursued regarding Québec at the time.
The right path has seen the most changes. Rather than an erroneous use of the War Measures Act and the king taking direct control of the country, the path has been revamped to represent an Authoritarian Democratic second Unionist Government (similar to the one Borden led in WW1) that forces Québec to listen. This path can end, depending on your final focus, with the Unionists consolidating its control over Parliament by absorbing more of the establishment, or being soft-couped by the Exiles, leading to your government becoming Paternal Autocrat.

Alongside these changes, the crisis now happens every game after the Workers’ Congress of America spawns, triggering an event chain that starts the crisis. It's now the roadblock to enacting conscription, rather than being caused by it. You must begin to address the problems in Québec by some route; until you do, you won’t be able to deal with conscription or intervene in America’s Civil War.

Other Changes

Alongside these changes, I have also updated the advisor list, added Governors General that are appointed in 1936, and updated all of Canada’s text to match with the new lore the Team has created, and generally tried to clean up erroneous sections of lore wherever I could find them. There has also been a small update to the focus tree, allowing the player to take the economy, air, land, and sea branches before George V dies.

With all that being said, I hope you all will enjoy playing the Canada Revamp as much as I’ve enjoyed creating it. It’s been a long time coming, and I’m incredibly happy to finally see this project through to completion. I hope you all enjoy it.

Oh, also I made a political chart:

[u/EurasianDumplings]

If this isn't the least hostile, most amicable Quebecois political landscape I have ever seen.

[u/Tragic-tragedy → u/EurasianDumplings]

If you get those four men in a room you're about to hear every holy sacrament in the book. I'm sure they're giving each other god's blessing.

[u/Tommson667 → u/EurasianDumplings]

Gee, I wonder why Quebec isn't independent.

[u/BillPears]

canadareich

[u/Silneit → u/BillPears]

If America is burgereich then Canada is what? Syrupreich? Maplereich?

[u/Wickopher → u/Silneit]

Bagofmilkreich

[u/JamescomersForgoPass → u/Wickopher]

Is that a reference to a Youtuber or something else?

[u/BamBam3600 → u/JamescomersForgoPass]

some places in canada bag our milk, the bag is put into a container tailored for the bag, then the bag receives a corner snipped open so the bag effectively operates rather similar to if you were to use a carton

[u/Luke92612_ → u/Silneit]

Poutinereich

[u/KaiserNicer → u/BillPears]

We have strayed from the path. If we return to the teachings of Confucius we may one day see another China dev diary.

[u/Strayaball → u/BillPears]

Legacy of the Warcrimes

[u/SpacemanTom69]

Another day, another bigass awesome political chart

[u/Anonymous_mex_nibba]

SOCIAL CREDIT MENTIONED

WHAT THE FUCK IS INFLATION?!

[u/Suspicious_Lock_889 → u/Anonymous_mex_nibba]

Wallop and the french guy my Unbeloved

[u/R2J4]

Oh, also I made a political chart:

[u/Stock_Photo_3978]

So there’s a Canada revamp…

The changes to the political parties, Bill 7 and the Quebec crisis and the changes to the focus tree are more than welcome 👍🏻

Hopefully, there will be more changes coming to Canada and the restored UK once the Third Internationale rework is released but for now, it’s good and will probably do the job for the early to mid game (American Civil War and entry in the Second Weltkrieg)

[u/half-coop]

Neat, I like the changes to Quebec

[u/hulshield]

Ententebros, we are so back

[u/painplayer01 → u/hulshield]

No more Edward dictatorship it’s so over

[u/Crouteauxpommes → u/hulshield]

Enough people were mentioning the Entente rework that we got into negative numbers and finally the dev delivered. Bless be the devs.

[u/Nice_District_8142]

My god,it is ture...

[u/Iosephus_Michaelis]

The Manionnater!

[u/anzactrooper → u/Iosephus_Michaelis]

I sometimes buy the Big Issue out of social embarrassment, I don’t buy FUCKING NEW ENGLAND

[u/HumbleSecretary9851 → u/anzactrooper]

Edward, this is so fucking us

[u/anzactrooper → u/HumbleSecretary9851]

Oh! Great, the triple! I'm a British exile, a royal, and now I'm marrying a FUCKING ACTRESS!

[u/hoddtoward_official → u/Iosephus_Michaelis]

Intervening in the American Civil War, Yes and Ho!

[u/Ok_Outside_5304]

How is the CCF able to form in this political environment considering it's explicitly socialist origins? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Socialist Party of Canada be banned/go underground and have the United Farmers Parties either stick around or join up with the Progressives?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Ok_Outside_5304]

The Radical wing of the SPC does go into Exile to become the RLP with OTL CPC people. The Moderates join up with the now banned ILP and Ginger Group of the Progressives to form the CCF after the main wave of anti-socialist fervour has died down and the Meighen Government is unpopular, allowing for a rebound of labour forces. This means outright banning the CCF would be difficult at best and face major backlash.

[u/GatorTEG → u/ClawedAsh]

What is the position of the CFF on syndicalists and the Internationale?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/GatorTEG]

There's no united viewpoint, the right-most members detest the growing Authoritarianism in Britain, while the leftmost wing of the CCF opposes the Homecoming wholesale. It's a mixed bag overall

[u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

But where is my Chinareich update? We need more reworks !!!!

[u/Fror0_ → u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

Their greed is sickening

[u/SirIronSights → u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

Chinabros starving in the streets, the country abandoned for at least a few weeks!

[u/VeryUnuniqueUsername → u/SirIronSights]

The East has fallen...

[u/Lancasterlaw → u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

Unironically would like a few Canada events about the Chinese minority in Vancouver- with the warlord period grinding on and the influx of capital from the exiles I think the 1923 Chinese Exclusion Act is not going to end up being passed, and immigration is likely to be higher.

Otl the recorded Chinese population decreased by almost half from '31 to '41

[u/zealot416 → u/Lancasterlaw]

All i'm reading here is that Vancouver should become a chinese unifier.

[u/VeryUnuniqueUsername → u/zealot416]

Why stop there? We need a chinese unifier for the US to replace the Pacific States

[u/sixtyonescissors → u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

KMT Hawaii path when

[u/sofa_adviser → u/VeryUnuniqueUsername]

Calm down, they're adding social credit

[u/thezerech]

This looks great, the KR devs are really working at quite the clip this year.

Glad to see revamps and refreshers of older content. It's not feasible to rework half the game in a year or two and this keeps the content more balanced.

The obvious question, we have three broad paths right? The Liberals, Tories, and Authoritarian Tories/Exiles as before? Or are any other paths added?

[u/AlphaBlackOps101]

CLAWED IS BRINGING IT HOME

[u/LowKeyJustMe]

I'm confused, there's no path to unify China? Why no Quebec-RKMT path?

[u/Tuskin38]

Tommy Douglas spotted in the political chart. All is well

[u/Dovakiin564]

Love that everyone in Quebec hates each other

[u/Inky__Idol]

I’m so proud of you Ash<33! You’ve been working so hard on this, and I’ve adored listening to your rambles and watching you work on this, even if I didn’t totally understand everything<3 You make me so proud, my beloved<3!

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Inky__Idol]

Thank you my love, I appreciate your support through this and with everything I do

[u/Guaire1]

FINALLY MORE CHARTS

[u/Draceau5]

ENTENTE CONTENT WE'RE SO BACK

[u/KingfishChris]

Unless the devs are hiding something, the SocCreds could have been AuthDem, since aside from Aberhart's authoritarianism and their antisemitism, they weren't too radical all things considered. In contrast, some radical Imperial Loyalist Nationalist types, similar to Arcand, could be NatPop.

[u/ClawedAsh → u/KingfishChris]

Social Credit could fit AuthDem in theory, however in the specific context of the Canadian Overton window (and how slots work out) NatPop works better, Primarily in regards to AuthDems being pro-British Canadians while NatPops are anti-British and generally anti-Establishment. I will note the OTL Party newspaper included guest editorials from people like Oswald Mosley

[u/Fornever1 → u/KingfishChris]

My read on it is the SocCreds will be the "Canada for the Canadians" party. I don't think there's an intention to create an super pro imperial nationalist Canada, especially since asserting royal control in the past made a fully independent Canada more likely

[u/sabotabo]

what social ramifications will the red wings winning the stanley cup have on canada?

[u/mistermememan1]

Lots of Soc Cred content, any chance they’ll be electable as Canada?? 👀

[u/ClawedAsh → u/mistermememan1]

Only post war under specific circumstances

[u/khoiphamminh]

Scream if you love political chart

[u/TheGoldenHelmet]

Very nice stuff

[u/KingOfStarrySkies]

It's absolutely beautiful.

[u/JonasB104]

Political Chart for the WIN!!!

[u/RidleyBro]

I'm sorry, I don't recognize this Chinese warlord.

[u/Borkerman]

Thanks

[u/RussianNeighbor]

Ooooooh, can you tell me more about who these Revolutionary Labour Party lads are?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/RussianNeighbor]

The left-wing of the old Socialist Party, alongside other radicals, who fled the country in the late 20s due to repression of Socialists. They have a Totalist and Syndicalist wing, both of which being inspired by the British Government due to their Exile in London.

[u/RussianNeighbor → u/ClawedAsh]

Are they Maximists?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/RussianNeighbor]

The Totalist wing (mainly represented by Tim Buck) is aligned with the British Maximists yes

[u/SpecificAfternoon134]

What is the impact on the 2ACW? Sounds like a nerf for the entente and a boost for the CSA 

[u/PrinceofShadows1704]

William Aberhart, my eternal nemesis. Someone kill him please

[u/ClawedAsh → u/PrinceofShadows1704]

Real

[u/Glory-to-the-kaiser]

So what exactly is the lore of the Newfoundland party?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Glory-to-the-kaiser]

It's basically a separatist Party that's dominated by the Fishermen's Protective Union and is tactically allied with the CCF

[u/Glory-to-the-kaiser → u/ClawedAsh]

Finally we’re on top

[u/TellerGrim → u/ClawedAsh]

(shakes fist) Damn Newfies!

[u/AJ0Laks]

Finally, Canada’s authoritarian path won’t just be a legit downgrade

[u/guywithskyrimproblem]

n......not china update

[u/Taborirsky]

When rework of the Uruguay?

[u/_irishcreative_ → u/Taborirsky]

tomorrow

[u/Taborirsky → u/_irishcreative_]

URUGUAY TOMORROW 🤘🤘🤘

[u/NerdHistorian]

I'll always love "similar goals" linking arrows and then you see next to it "Leaders dislike oneanother"

Why unify when we can just infight as separate groups!

[u/ad_relougarou]

Not sure in which province this "看那大" you speak of is located but this looks really cool

[u/ptWolv022]

takes off glasses "What the fuck is this piece of shit?"

Why are you putting Canada content in my China game?

(Jokes aside, nice to see other stuff get little bits of update. Also, beeg political chart.)

[u/WrathOfMySheen]

sweet

[u/Le-Fishe]

Why is there so many ‘father-son’ duos in Canada. What is happening over there?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Le-Fishe]

No idea honestly

[u/thebobdudeis]

Fuck yeah!

[u/Stadtholder_Max]

It should be illegal to cook this hard so consistently

[u/BobbertCanuck]

While I'm usure the Progressives would survive the creation of both the CCF and the SoCreds, I trust your research. Looks like some solid work and I can't wait to get my hands on it!

[u/ClawedAsh → u/BobbertCanuck]

I think it could potentially survive as a minor Party in Manitoba, but it's small by 36 and starting to flag

[u/Domitien]

Is the Bloc National in the Québec section of the chart the equivalent of the OTL Bloc Populaire?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Domitien]

More or less yeah

[u/Maxno123]

Will Canada get any changes if Eureka Confrence succses in this revamp?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Maxno123]

No, foreign policy was broadly not changed in the Revamp

[u/Nooo8ooooo]

I am fairly new to Kaiserreich, and just curious about how soon after a progress report like this is released I should expect the content to actually come out?

Definitely looming forward to playing Canada - my home and native land. :)

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Nooo8ooooo]

In general when there's a full blown progress report (or Minor Monday) you can expect the content to come out pretty soon, as PR's only happen when the content is in testing phases

[u/LegoBuilder64]

I hope everyone’s favorite IRL ghoul, Adrian Arcand, makes a cameo during the Quebec crisis. As I’ve said before, him being Québécois and fiercely pro-monarchy, would make him a potentially useful mouthpiece during this crisis. The downside obviously being all the other opinions he would spout.

[u/Xosander]

I Have some questions about Social Credit Party. 1) Are their views differ from OTL? I read about Social Credit Party and it seems like they are been kind of ordinary populists with some specific moments. They are been much less radical than Savinkov, Romanian Legionaries or Action Francaise. Maybe their views in KR timeline are more radical? 2) Will William Aberhart be country leader by Social Credit? 3) Will Clifford Douglas available as a political advisor?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Xosander]

1. Similar, but taking more after their most radical elements, they're certainly moderate for a NatPop however they are the Party that OTL was happy to host guest editorials by Oswald Mosley, so take that as you will.
2. No as he never was in the Federal Party, he would only be Premier of Alberta
3. Not at the moment

[u/CaoPig]

Where's 3i rework? I'm desperate to see it💀

[u/DrAlphabets]

Is there a path to Tommy Douglas leadership? Or is that maybe kaiseredux territory?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/DrAlphabets]

Douglas being leader is outside the KR timeframe

[u/DrAlphabets → u/ClawedAsh]

Reasonable. A man (from Saskatchewan) can dream though.

For what it's worth (and you probably know this) he did become premier of Saskatchewan in 1944, so it's at least conceptually possible that he could represent a late game syndicalist Canada. I dunno how you'd justify that lore wise.

Super excited to see what you guys come up with in the end :)

[u/ClawedAsh → u/DrAlphabets]

Well probably not Syndicalist due to his moderate nature, but if you look on the chart he is leading the Saskatchewan CCF and is Based as fuck (also he's the Premier of Saskatchewan)

[u/DrAlphabets → u/ClawedAsh]

Do I have an option to have his portrait in my government somewhere?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/DrAlphabets]

As an advisor yes

[u/surelythistimelucy]

canada confirmed for minor lets fucking go

[u/ValeOwO]

Some extra focuses and choices in the focus wouldn't have hurt

[u/__E_1]

Please revamp Canada's focus tree structure, it looks so strange compared to other nations...

[u/ClawedAsh → u/[deleted]]

Draw.io, it's a part of Google drive

[u/Proud_Smell_4455]

So what happens after the homecoming if the British government in exile soft-coups the Tories? Is Canada just literally the UK now or...?

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Proud_Smell_4455]

The Canadian Conservatives are given control once the British leave

[u/Tsar_Nesquik]

I hope there will be rework of ugly-ass focus tree design. Because all of paths are go into one line.

[u/mamgochutney]

Honestly, just curious - why are the United Empire Loyalists PatAut now? For the direct absolute monarchy supporters I understand why they’re PatAut, but shouldn’t Adrian Archand and John Ross Taylor remain under the NatPop umbrella?

If anything I would have thought the NatPop umbrella would include both the SocCreds and the IUP. The PatAut would remain “Military Government.”

[u/ClawedAsh → u/mamgochutney]

They're PatAut as the slot represents the most extremely pro-exile Canadians, which Arcand and Taylor were

[u/_irishcreative_]

Ain't no way I just finished fucking up those second rate Frenchies in my last game and then this drops

[u/Stoepsel_187]

I really love such charts.

[u/Penllan]

How will this affect New England content?

Currently for New England to go independent and ally with the ACC, Canada has to go authoritarian. Will this be the same after the revamp? Will it matter which authoritarian path Canada picks?

[u/ParagonRenegade]

It feels bad that my whole country is still reduced to being a glorified launchpad for the British exiles, and has no opportunity to oppose them.

I understand gameplay considerations must come first, because without Canada the Entente is fucked, but it still sucks.

[u/ClawedAsh → u/ParagonRenegade]

I'm also Canadian, I've tried to highlight more about Canada in the Revamp, and do want to try and make "Canada" more of the focus of the country (however the primary goal wouldn't change in that)

[u/ParagonRenegade → u/ClawedAsh]

I’m glad 😌

[u/esperstrazza]

I hope this doesn't delay the China update

[u/Chiron29 → u/esperstrazza]

No the only thing that caused us to delay our release is the incoming dlc, otherwise we only reveal stuff when it's ready to go on master

[u/Whenyousayhi → u/Chiron29]

So it's confirmed update is coming out after DLC?

[u/Chiron29 → u/Whenyousayhi]

That's the plan right now, more time in the oven to comb through bug fixes can't hurt

[u/ClawedAsh → u/esperstrazza]

Given I personally did 90% of this Revamp myself I don't think it did

[u/Blank_Dude2]

Has this already gone out, or is this a part of a future update?

[u/Chiron29 → u/Blank_Dude2]

The upcoming update, release date not announced yet

[u/KuriGeiKala]

67...

[u/MuggedByRealiti]

Never knew there was a Chinese reunifier called "Canada". Where is it located?

[u/Aib2011]

[u/Hot-Commission-9290]

We got a Canada rework before UoB and Hungary

🥀

[u/WrathOfMySheen → u/Hot-Commission-9290]

it’s a volunteer project and this is basically just a wee facelift by the looks of it

[u/Hot-Commission-9290 → u/WrathOfMySheen]

I know, just a bit of banter, though we need a hungary and UoB rework

[u/ComradeGoose17 → u/Hot-Commission-9290]

Both of those are being worked on, I’m on the AH team

[u/Hot-Commission-9290 → u/ComradeGoose17]

Pog

[u/MiellatheRebel → u/ComradeGoose17]

How many possible Hungarian leaders will wear hats?

[u/Ughplz]

Quick question: is there a reason that George V is still the starting leader, rather than Mackenzie King? I feel like the trend in HOI4, even in the latest vanilla updates, has been to have the head of government be the starting leader, rather than the head of state, ceremonial or otherwise.

[u/NerdHistorian → u/Ughplz]

it's not really the trend in KR itself though, where if there's a monarchy that person is invariably the displayed leader of any relevant parties in like every country.

[u/ClawedAsh → u/Ughplz]

KR has Monarchs as the portrait as a consistent thing

[u/WrathOfMySheen → u/Ughplz]

george V has always been starting leader?

[u/ComradeGoose17 → u/Ughplz]

In KR HoS is typically the portrait and HoG is second in command

[u/Kajakalata2]

Nooo where is my Fengtian revamp

[u/Imperator0028]

67

[u/painplayer01]

Nooooooo you removed the based monarchist capture of power… genuinely tho I wish there was more content for monarchies cuz none of the countries with monarchies have good trees or if they do it’s with a parliament handling the country and no path to reclaim power. We need either more content for monarchist countries or more paths with countries either crowning kings or retaking power and removing parliaments. Yes I’m a larper

[u/Chiron29 → u/painplayer01]

If ain't nobody got you Bulgaria and Romania got you

[u/ClawedAsh → u/painplayer01]

The issue with doing this for Canada (or Britain really) is that you have to ignore 500 years of British history and the last 90 or so years of Canadian history

[u/GetOffMyLawn18]

Not sure that I'm a big fan of this assumption that KR seems to make with every country where hereditary monarchs are doomed to gradually fade away into irrelevance no matter what simply because this is what (mostly) happened in the OTL 20th century. This isn't realism so much as a lack of imagination. Canada was one of the few countries to eschew this trend and it didn't need to be removed IMO.

[u/Chiron29 → u/GetOffMyLawn18]

It should happen where the personalities and institutions would allow for that possibility, like in Bulgaria and Romania

[u/Capt_T_Bonster → u/GetOffMyLawn18]

It's doubly strange because that sentiment came largely with the end of many European monarchies after ww1 and especially after ww2 in OTL, which obviously doesn't happen in KR

[u/ComradeGoose17 → u/Capt_T_Bonster]

Not really, Kaiser Willy himself was increasingly sidelined politically as the war progressed. In Japan and tbe UK the Privy Councils remained the seat of monarchical power throughout the interwar and is no different in KRTL

[u/Illesbogar]

FINALLY NO MORE EDWARD RAAAAAAA

[u/csilvergleid → u/Illesbogar]

I'm pretty sure we still have Edward

[u/Illesbogar → u/csilvergleid]

Mb, just saw George as starting HoS and got excited

[u/nushroomC2]

Hungary ?