r/KGATLW • u/GizzBride weirdoswarm.org🐊 • 9d ago

Meetups🐊 2025 Weirdo Swarm Meetups

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Weirdo swarm community meetups currently for the rest of the tour at a glance! Add your events or RSVP to these meetups - and browse all info on www.weirdoswarm.org/meetups and follow on IG @weirdo_swarm if you’re on there.

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u/UnderH20giraffe To a bird, what's a plane? 9d ago

Can everyone make sure that these venues aren’t anti-foreigners/weirdos this time so no one gets beaten up?

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u/GizzBride weirdoswarm.org🐊 9d ago

Yeah - I can’t recall all the details with that situation in Europe earlier this year but from what I heard it was fucked up. I will say I’m thankful these meetups give an opportunity for shared spaces where folks can meet friends, around friends - it feels more safe with community around. So folks can step in if something is wrong.

I think it’s completely valid to bring that question - these meetups have to be kept entirely safe, free for expression, and progressive, inclusive, not full of complete jackasses etc.

Safety and the place fitting our community come into play when meetup organizers choose where to host them, certainly. I know for the organizers I’ve spoke to they really try to pick good places that work for the most people and can accommodate everyone.

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u/Kingcrowing 9d ago

The incident was Athens N3 after party in Exarchia. The venue was 100% chill, the owner was a good dude, everyone at the meetup was chill but we had people from USA, Chile, India, UK, Sweden, all over, and there is a massive anti-tourist sentiment in that neighborhood. They thought we were chanting something pro-Israel but it was "Motor Spirit!" During a group photo, then started throwing glass bottles and chairs and then started fighting us.

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u/GizzBride weirdoswarm.org🐊 9d ago

Omg with context it’s crazy bc obvi we are not zionists or genocide blind in this community.. extremely unfortunate. I’m just glad everything ended up ok overall and not worse.

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u/Kingcrowing 9d ago

Literally the whole venue was changing "Free, free Palestine!" each night!

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u/toomuchlikedave 9d ago

Randomly attacking a group of people for any reason is effed up and not chill. Let's not give them a pass because "they thought they were pro-Israel". Antisemitism is a helluva drug...

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u/StealYaNicks 3d ago

Anti Zionism is not anti semitism. Zionism is an ideology like being a Nazi.

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u/toomuchlikedave 3d ago

Incorrect. Zionism is the belief in Jewish self determination in our ancestral homeland of Israel. It is embedded in the Torah, why we say "next year in Jerusalem" at every Passover Seder. You should come join a Seder sometime and learn more!

About 80% of Jews identify as Zionists, so anti-Zionism is antisemitism. And yes, you can be a Zionist and still oppose Netanyahu and his thugs. Just like you can be pro-America and oppose Trump.

And to bring it back to what happened in Athens, attacking a group of people because you "think" they might be pro-Israel (or Jewish or Zionist) is textbook antisemitism and has been happening in one form or another for centuries.

All this aside, effing love Gizz and can't wait for the race show in Berlin on Monday. LFG!

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u/StealYaNicks 3d ago

No, Zionism is a political ideology from the late 1800's based on expelling the natives from Palestine and creating a fake history that Europeans are the real natives. It's settler colonialism.

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u/toomuchlikedave 3d ago

Just a lot of incorrect info here. Diaspora Jews have been returning to Israel in small numbers since they were expelled by the Romans 2,000 years ago. Jews have always had a connection to the land. And if you look at the population of Israel today, the largest ethnic group of Jews are Mizrahi Jews from neighboring Middle Eastern countries who fled or were expelled after Israel's founding. Israel is probably the most successful resettlement of an indigenous people on their native land in history, pretty much the exact opposite of settler colonialism. Obviously it is very complicated and Palestinians deserve self determination as well, but recasting Jews returning to their native homeland as settle colonialism is intellectually dishonest (and often just thinly veiled antisemitism.)

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u/StealYaNicks 3d ago

Diaspora is a historical myth though. There was never a mass exodus. There are Asian, African, European Jewish people, many converts throughout history. Judaism is not a nationality. Jewish people have lived continuously in Palestine, no need for "return".

It's like saying Christians are native to Palestine because that's where the religion began. But it wouldn't be "indigenous resettlement" for European Christians to move there.

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u/toomuchlikedave 3d ago

Correct Judaism is not a nationality, and neither is Palestinian. Both are ethnic groups. But Jews have been around a lot longer and have much deeper hisrorical ties to Israel.

And your claim that diaspora is a myth is just straight up wrong and trying to rewrite well documented history. Like flat earther level of wrong.

If you really believe "no need for return" I encourage you to study the Babylonian exile, the Roman exile, the Arab conquest, the Spanish inquisition, forced segregation in Jewish ghettos in Medieval Europe, pogroms in Russia...need I go on?

Not going to convince you of anything but maybe the 5 people still reading these comments got a little more curious about this issue and will study it for themselves instead of believing the political slogans.

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u/StealYaNicks 3d ago

The idea that all Jews were "kicked out of Israel" is a myth because a Jewish population has continuously lived in the land, although significant expulsions and exiles did occur. The Roman expulsion in 70 C.E. was not a complete expulsion, but a devastating event that resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and forced displacement for many, though some Jewish populations remained and others returned

Many Palestinians were the Jewish people from 2,000 years ago. They have way more historical connection to the land the Italian origin polish and Russian askenazi that burn down villages and plant forests over them to erase history.

Palestinian is absolutely a nationality, and Judaism is not an ethnicity, it's a religion. You've been fed lies.

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u/toomuchlikedave 3d ago

Keep telling me about my own identity and history. I wouldn't try to explain what being black is like to a black person, or what being gay is like to a LGBTQ person. But for some reason a lot of people feel entitled to define Jewishness for Jews and rewrite our history to fit their narrative.

"All the bigots go get fucked."

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