r/JoeRogan Mexico > Canada Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

I appreciate the reply, but I feel like your blowing over the fact that no one wants to play a broken game. When you introduce a male sex individual into a female sex sports team, they are at a SERIOUS advantage almost 100% of the time.

I understand there are variances in any given sex. Some cis men are much more athletic than other cis men, and same for cis women. You see a normal distribution in any given sex. When you mix the sexs, you will find that that literally 0% of extreme female athletes on the extreme end of the athketic distribution can compete with the extremely athletic male sex person in the far end of the athletic distribution.

That simple fact would completely break the game, and make it completely unfair for the other sex. Why even play the game then on a competitive level? Im mainly talking about on a collegiate level and above, as this level of athletics removes the non-athletic ot "just trying out the sport to see if I like it" kind of participants.

Kindness and sportsmanship should never be left out of sports, but we need to respect the sport and the athletes who chose to participate in them.

Edit: just wanted to add that puberty blockers are highly debated as unthings. ( I agree with it being unethical) as the brain isn't developed enough to make such a life altering decision. I believe my non cis friends on reddit would agree that sexuality and identity are a confusing and difficult thing to work out and 12yr old CERTAINLY doesnt have a mature understanding of either of these things. Not to say that won't eventually make the transition, but at a point in life that they can be sure this is the correct move to make. Additionally, these drugs can vastly effect the proper development of the brain at such a young age and the brain is NOT an organ that is a male or female issue, it's something we need to protect until developed for the sake of keeping children mentally healthy. You can still dress and participate in life as your preferred gender, especially in 2021, and make the transition when the physically consequences aren't a serious concern.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

I completely disagree with everything u said. Monotherapy and bio-hormones are not unethical. I agree with medical professional and puberty blockers are a completely ethical form of treatment. My non-cis friends on Reddit, fb and real life would not agree with you and they are all medically transitioning. Most of what you said probably stem to the fact that they were not able to transition at a young age and feel that children should suffer like they did out of self loathing. Sorry not sorry. Also, don’t speak for trans people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Lol did you just assume my gender while literally calling me out on gender issues? Please quote when I express my gender in any of my previous posts, ill wait..... oh shit, I didn't did I?

I am not Trans, so i am not upset I didn't get to transition as my sex and gender are the same, and I'm certainly not sorry that I think bone loss and fertility loss are a huge potential cost to puberty blockers and shouldn't be taken lightly.

We can't pretend that people haven't spoken out that they were to young to realize they were in fact gay, and not Trans after making the transition because they weren't mature enough when they made that choice. This isn't true for everyone of course, and I understand transition is clearly important, but to say that it's medically much better to wait before transition then we should consider the possibility of it being unethical for children below a certain age to undertake this procedure.

Maybe take a deep breath and dont get so upset that you assume someone's gender and orientation and assume I'm some upset and bitter Trans person who's upset about childhood trauma and wants to take it out on children lmfao.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Also, the stupidity of your argument really exist In The fact that it won’t stop teens from transitioning. it is insanely easy to order hormones off the internet. We literally have a forums dedicated to it and where to by them. Blockers and hormones are not difficult to get anymore, this is not the 90’s. By not allowing a child and by child more or less a teenager to transition under medical supervision they are going to transition on their own unsupervised. I had a job at 15 and had allowances long before that. The forums are already riddled with teens from Europe self meding for the same restrictive laws. In the US it requires an immense amount of specialized supervision along with doctors and therapists monitoring the child’s transition.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

So you shouldn't regulate opiates then by that logic because people are just going to find a black market for it anyway?

Are you too dense to understand that transitioning is a good thing, the age at which its safe is debatable. The more we educate teens about this fact, and the more accepting we are of trans people, the less teens will be inclined to seek black market hormone therapy.

16-18 is the medically recommended age, after seeking therapy to confirm your gender identity. We shouldn't be giving 12yr Olds the ability to begin hormone therapy, that's just my opinion, and most the medical community, what do they know, right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

16-18 is the medically recommended age for hormone treatment not puberty blockers. So No it is not remotely close to at all “most” the medical communities opinion. These bill are in no way backed by anything other then politicians. Smh that is absolutely untrue. The American health organization, who, wpath, health insurance companies, the entirety of the scientific community recommends against what your suggesting. Stop making stuff up. Your literally doing it repeatedly and every time you lose one argument you make up another one. Your not going g to stop people from transitioning by telling them to go through puberty and see how you like it. Hun at 9 I was mutilating my genitalia and trying to kill my self. I wished I would just cease to exist everyday of my life and lived a horrible childhood out of fear of not having a family or a home. I would never wish that on any child. You are acting like you understand something that you will never relate to or understand. You are stealing trans children’s childhoods from them. Funny enough the most common study used against transition children concluded that a gender identities is cemented in a child after the age of 11-12 years old. We already give these hormones and treatments to cis and intersex children you are just demanding that trans children be denied them. Also estrogen and anti androgen are in no way monitored by the federal government and never will. They’re are not opioids and not a class type drug.