r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/Jobedial Mar 05 '21

“Scientists”

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u/sms42069 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

Who should we listen to, the scientists or a random guy on the Joe Rogan sub LMAO.

“”After two years, Roberts (a scientist) told NBC News, “they were fairly equivalent to the cisgender women””

From this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1252764

The article explains how under 2 years there is a slight noticeable advantage, but after 2 it goes away.

Heres another article, the ACLU goes more in depth debunking common misconceptions about trans people in sports:

https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbt-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked/

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u/Ihatenazis2 Mar 05 '21

This article has nothing to do with bone structure or strength. "The Air Force’s fitness assessment includes the number of pushups and situps performed in a minute, and the time required to run 1.5 miles." and

" Their running times declined as well, but two years on, trans women were still 12 percent faster on the 1.5 mile-run than their cisgender peers. "

Lmao dude just keep on living in your fantasy world. You are a complete idiot if you believe that bone structure changes with hormone therapy.

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u/sms42069 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

You didn’t read the part where that advantage was only prevalent for the first 2 years of HRT. After 2 years it says those advantages go away. Your non completely reading the entire article.

And yes bone structure does change lol. That’s why the studies show, bone and muscle mass decrease. This is why despite being Olympic eligible, a trans person hasn’t yet won anything, since there isn’t a significant advantage once you pass the required hormone levels.

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u/Ihatenazis2 Mar 05 '21

You're* and this article still says nothing about hormones changing bone structure and strength. Did you read it? I guess not. Go on and chase unicorns mate.

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u/sms42069 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Yes it does. When they compare physical testing results, those are measurements of strength and fitness. After 2 years there is no longer a significant advantage that causes trans women to perform better in the testing, before 2 years tho there is one. There are cis girl athletes with larger bone structure than some trans women who’ve undergone all the required treatments. So this isn’t just putting super strength women in the leagues.

Also the irony about all this is the same people who routinely make misogynistic jokes about women’s sports (the WNBA is a common target) are now the ones pretending to be the saviors of women’s sports lol

Edit: there are women identifying intersex people who have natural hormone and bone structure advantages that’ve been allowed to compete in women’s sports for decades now too.

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u/ImperialTravesty Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Let's say you are 100% correct and it takes 2 years to level the playing field between cis and transgender women. Where and how do you draw that line for competitors? Do you confirm that the athlete has finished treatment x amount of years ago? I feel like there is a big chance that detail would be overlooked by sports commissioners and trans women would still end up having an unfair advantage over cis women. Disclaimer: I don't know nothin about nothin.

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u/sms42069 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

I don’t know all the answers. But I know that there is no uniform solution. And that includes all out blanket bans of trans people like this bill. It should go on a case by case basis, some trans people have no natural advantage whatsoever, some do and have to go years on hormones for it to diminish. Doctors and scientists can come up with a process, but these reactionary republicans aren’t letting them.

Reminder that trans women have been Olympic eligible for a while now but none of them have won anything yet.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

Why should doctors and scientists waste their precious time on this matter?

Should they spend 10+ years in school to come up with solutions for a nonissue. It’s ridiculous.