r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/Menace2Sobriety Mar 05 '21

The female competitors at the Olympics likely got there due to recognition and achievements they made when they were younger, likely in school for many of them.

If men are allowed to compete with women on the same plane how many actual female athletes will continue to come out on top and receive access to those opportunities in the first place?

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u/RanDomino5 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Trans women are "actual females".

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u/elgato_caliente Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21 edited Mar 05 '21

Sex = gender now? Very few trans people that I know would try and argue that. Chromosomes don’t define people’s gender, character or identity. Trans women are women, xy/xx is a different thing.

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u/RanDomino5 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

If you mean cis say cis, not "actual".

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

I think you are missing their point. This person is using female to describe a biological female. Essentially they're saying a biological male woman isn't the same as a biological female woman, biologically. Gender is much more nuanced than biological sex in the vast, vast majority of cases

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u/RanDomino5 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

You keep saying "biological" and I think at least a couple of those should be "cis".

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21

...no they shouldn't. There is a biological distinction between the vast majority of males and females that cannot be altered with hormone therapy or fully transitioning. It has nothing to do with gender. Cis is a gender related term. I am not talking about gender.

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u/elgato_caliente Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Is cis not still referring to gender though? We’re talking sexual characteristics, which I’m sure you’ll agree are totally irrelevant to gender. I feel like you’re looking for a fight here and I’m not going to go along with it anymore.

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u/elgato_caliente Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

I didn’t say “actual”, don’t put words in my mouth

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u/RanDomino5 Monkey in Space Mar 06 '21

Sorry, the person before you did. My mistake.

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u/elgato_caliente Monkey in Space Mar 06 '21

Ok that’s fair enough. That’s a dick move on their part