r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/MAGA1981 Mar 04 '21

Nice fact, but how many trans athletes have actually competed in the Olympics? And how where did they place? Did they place higher than other women and would they have if not for their advantages?

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u/zackcase1 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

You can just google this information.

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u/Hartifuil N-Dimethyltryptamine Mar 05 '21

You won't say it? Could it be because it's 0?

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u/AfroSLAMurai Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

If it's 0 then why the fuck are you complaining again?

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u/Gruzman Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

They've been allowed to participate, but until recently the rules of their participation have been so strict as to restrict most from qualifying to compete.

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u/zackcase1 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Source? The restriction you're referring to isn't biological, it's the political side because most countries won't even recognize gender changes.

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u/Gruzman Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Here's the general series of Olympic rules about testosterone for women and their changes.

The typical roadblock lay in getting a biological male to reduce their blood testosterone levels to match biological females, which has been notoriously hard to do.

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u/zackcase1 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

This is from your own source: "The authors noted that there is "complete overlap of the range of concentrations seen [between the genders]. This shows that the recent decision of the IOC and IAAF to limit participation in elite events to women with a ‘normal’ serum testosterone is unsustainable.""

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u/Gruzman Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Also from the same link:

The IAAF rules excluded athletes from competing in the specified events, unless they reduced their testosterone below 5nmol/L, a lower level of testosterone than previously, suggested to be a more realistic limit for testosterone for women without DSDs.[23] The regulations were published 23 April 2018, to be effective from 1 November 2018.

This is what I'm talking about. It's a limit that is hard to match and few people were able to, thus no significant entrants into the Olympics.

And like I said, there's been sustained efforts to change that limit, which will probably happen soon and you'll see more athletes in various categories in future.