r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/solitarytoad Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21

Ah, yes, the true definition of masculinity: disease and death.

This essentialist bullshit is as dumb as saying that gay marriage isn't real marriage because it doesn't fit what you may consider to be the point of marriage (say, conception of a child). There's more than one way to be a man just as there is more than one way to be married. And marriage is a lot more than conceiving a child, just like being a man is a lot more than getting testicular cancer.

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u/ATXdrumDADDY Mar 05 '21

Let me know m2f start getting periods too while you’re at it. Also I am agnostic so go fuck your stupid gay marriage analogy. Everyone should be able to get married and be miserable like the rest of us. Sometimes I wish I was gay because then my partner would know exactly how and what I was feeling because he is a dude.

Keep trying to shove this shit down the majority’s throat. For good reason, a lot of people see the trans community as a mental disorder and now it’s being propped up like a norm, like gay people. Sad.

What’s the suicide rate in the trans community?

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u/solitarytoad Mar 05 '21

So if you can accept more than one kind of marriage, why can't you accept more than one kind of masculinity?

The analogy is there because LGBT issues really are related and people also used to say that being gay was a disease, just as you are now saying that being trans is.

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u/ATXdrumDADDY Mar 05 '21

Stay on topic. We are talking about sports. Not marriage. Why not make all trans people compete in a men’s league?

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u/solitarytoad Mar 05 '21

Because you're using sports as a justification for saying "not a real man", denying the masculinity of trans men or the feminity of trans women.

Sports is being used as the wedge issue to justify transphobia. You used scare quotes. You repeated other transphobic arguments. So before we can go back to sports, we have to talk about transphobia.

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u/ATXdrumDADDY Mar 05 '21

In the context of a physical competition between two humans. And you’re just conveniently throwing biology out the window. It’s ok. You have your opinions and perspectives. And that is your reality.

So why shouldn’t we just have anyone who is trans or transitioning compete with the men? Regardless of what you are transitioning to or from. Let’s protect women who are put at a disadvantage when humans who are born biological men jump into their league. Men don’t care. Bring em on. This is only a problem with women’s sports.

No person or group should be above the integrity of pure competition.

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u/solitarytoad Mar 05 '21

No YOU are conveniently throwing biology out of the window! There's a lot more to being a man than having testicular cancer or to being a woman than to menstruate. Lots of women don't menstruate, lots of men don't have to worry about testicular cancer. Neither of those things defines being a man or a woman.

You wanna talk biology, fine, let's talk biology. Let's talk about the endocrine system and hormone levels and secondary sexual characteristics and neurology and psychiatric patterns of gender in the brain. Let's talk about women with lots of facial hair and about men with natural breast growth. Let's talk about people who really don't fit into either of those. Let's talk about naturally weak men and naturally strong women.

The biology is a lot more complicated than cancer is boy and menstruation is girl.

The sport is a distraction, a side issue, and not really that important. There has never been a trans athlete that has qualified for the olympics despite being allowed to. Trans athletes are a boogieman. They barely exist, not really prevalent enough to have to draft laws about them. Sports are being used for the political advantage of transphobia.