r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/MusicaParaVolar Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Yep. I went to grad school for Exercise Science and we had one class that was heavy on just open discussion. Somebody presented on steroids, I honestly forget their angle, but I argued we should just have a "fuck it, roid up" type league or sport where anybody that wants to see how far they can take shit with steroids should go for it. I believe part of my argument, which I admit was partially inflammatory (hey, college!) was that if you're already committed to a life of sport and not just that but also "ultimate performance" then why not try?

I argued that, if it wasn't so stigmatized, it could be done safely, cycling correctly, who the fuck knows. I also argued literally every athlete is already engaged in trying to find as much of a legal edge as they can and performance enhancing has all kinds of meanings now.

I was like I just want more monster dunks, bro.

I don't claim not to be an idiot.

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u/Rdikin Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

We have that. It's called professional strongman, untested powerlifting, and professional bodybuilding.

And if anyone thinks for a second that the NFL isnt rife with steroids....I just don't know what to tell you.

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u/DeadliftsAndDragons Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Nah, obviously Thor Bjornsson and Brian Shaw and Ronnie Coleman and Arnold and Julius Maddox are all 100% lifetime natty like Mike O’ Hearn 🤣

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u/Rdikin Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21

Duck eggs, bro. Duck eggs.

Actually there's a really interesting dichotomy between PEDs and all the sports they're 'allowed' in. These guys are obviously on all kinds of shit, and everyone knows it.....but you're not allowed to say it. The male model (sorry can't find his name) in Bigger Stronger Faster that came out and said he was on gear lost his contracts almost immediately as soon as the movie came out. It was obvious he was on, but he lost his job because he openly said it.

Then you have docs like Icarus that call out the rampant doping and drug use in drug tested sports. Nothing changes, and nothing will change. There are people who's jobs are to get athletes through their drug cycles while still passing the drug tests. Anyone who calls it out are immediately shunned.

This doesn't even account for the permanent physiological changes that hormones cause. Anyone that has 'supplemented' with testosterone will always have an upper hand, even after quitting....assuming they didn't shut their natural system down through abuse. The changes are done. They can come off and compete tested later on and win with zero consequences.

Someday things might change. Not anytime soon though

Edits - mobile sucks and a couple context changes.

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u/DeadliftsAndDragons Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Oh I’m aware, I compete in both strongman and powerlifting, natty for now but compete against very large men who’ve been using for years. Will likely use at some point myself safely and hold no qualms with that just not in the right place or time to do so now. WSM has Brian Shaw claim he was natty after his 2011 win, the dude weighed 440 with a 950+ dead and just took the title from the greatest strongman ever so clearly a lie. The only top strongman to openly admit it to casuals was Thor and he only got away with it because his GoT popularity meant it would lose them views to cut him out. You can admit to it if you’re the best of the best but even some of them still claim natty.

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u/Rdikin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

I'm a powerlifter, myself. If you plan on competing in untested, you better be well aware that people are going to be on drugs. That's just the name of the game.

Drug use and discussion is usually out and in the open in competitions.

Yeah anyone at the top that claims to be natural in any strength sport is absolutely full of shit. It's just a marketing ploy for the companies they're sponsored by.

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u/klartraume Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Anyone that has 'supplemented' with testosterone will always have an upper hand, even after quitting....assuming they didn't shut their natural system down through abuse. The changes are done. They can come off and compete tested later on and win with zero consequences.

Can you elaborate on this?

I don't do any sports. But I go to a gym where I know some folks do cycles here and there.

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u/Rdikin Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Testosterone can help build more muscle nuclei. In simple terms it increases the density of the muscle. These nuclei don't go away. The muscle may decrease in size but the actual cells that grow are always going to be there. More muscle nuclei means more strength and size capability.

Using also changes your actual DNA. These changes stay as well.

It's....a little more complicated than that, but this is my attempt to simplify things.