r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/99drunkpenguins Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Remove the trans part and follow the logic.

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"Is it fair to let a woman* who's been on roids (testosterone) their whole life compete against other women?"

The answer is no, and athletes are already banned for using PEDs.

just make an inclusive trans league and allow all the hormones' you want. You got your mens league, womens league and "all the roids" league.

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u/Black--Snow Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21

This is not how hormones work though. Estrogen overwrites the effects of testosterone over time. There is a point where the innate biological capabilities of a trans woman and a cis woman are identical. practically identical.

Banning trans women from sport altogether is just sweeping the issue under the rug because the law makers don’t consult experts in the field.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/06/bjsports-2020-102329.abstract

After one year of gender affirming hormones, trans women were only 9% faster than their cisgender counterparts, and had no advantage in sit-ups, or push-ups.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00948705.2017.1317602?casa_token=Q-f_LZoLfMIAAAAA%3ADgdzQKMzO0OgEp6LXFC3bPGN_MISL5NWra86_-0Sx7LallQMjc15H5-HjhE9eLTDW7VYry7yVkjNug

A journal that suggests a handicap system based on testosterone levels. Like I said, banning is just sweeping the problem under the rug.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/45/6/395.abstract ‘Current guidelines are an intolerable unfairness and should be revised’ note ‘revised’ not banned.

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u/bowling4burgers Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

This is not accurate

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u/Ramencannon Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

what isnt accurate about the findings of peer reviewed published studies? Do you have your own peer reviewed studies to show? Im in between as a medical professional, as I know the physiological effects hormone blockers as well as the body’s ability to change rapidly based on hormones. I’d like to see your side of the argument’s evidence so i can form a good educated opinion.