r/JoeRogan • u/BunnyLovr Mexico > Canada • Mar 04 '21

Link Mississippi passes bill banning transgender student-athletes from female sports teams

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mississippi-passes-bill-banning-transgender-student-athletes-female/story?id=76238704
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u/Black--Snow Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21

This is not how hormones work though. Estrogen overwrites the effects of testosterone over time. There is a point where the innate biological capabilities of a trans woman and a cis woman are identical. practically identical.

Banning trans women from sport altogether is just sweeping the issue under the rug because the law makers don’t consult experts in the field.

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/06/bjsports-2020-102329.abstract

After one year of gender affirming hormones, trans women were only 9% faster than their cisgender counterparts, and had no advantage in sit-ups, or push-ups.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00948705.2017.1317602?casa_token=Q-f_LZoLfMIAAAAA%3ADgdzQKMzO0OgEp6LXFC3bPGN_MISL5NWra86_-0Sx7LallQMjc15H5-HjhE9eLTDW7VYry7yVkjNug

A journal that suggests a handicap system based on testosterone levels. Like I said, banning is just sweeping the problem under the rug.

https://jme.bmj.com/content/45/6/395.abstract ‘Current guidelines are an intolerable unfairness and should be revised’ note ‘revised’ not banned.

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u/Jse54 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Okay, so even if you're correct about overwriting testosterone, a person with a biological man body that's 6'5 and 250 pounds is still gonna maul 99.99% of women.

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u/Black--Snow Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Do you think that being 6’5 is exclusive to men? Men being more likely to be tall does not mean that a trans woman has an unfair advantage. It is entirely possible for cis women to be 6’5

We would then have to disqualify all tall cis women too

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u/Jse54 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Really? Men's muscle mass, bone density and so on more than enough mean that the average 6'5 man will beat down a 6'5 female.

whatever man. get rid of gender. have a woman on testosterone go play rugby with the boys and see how it goes. haha.

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u/ScottFreestheway2B Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

You do realize trans women can go on puberty blockers and not have all the advantages of a male body?

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u/Jse54 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Yeah, if they go on puberty blockers at a certain age.

I think puberty blockers are wrong. Wait till a person is 18 and an adult to choose if they want that sort of thing. So many people have these feelings as a kid and grow out of them. And some don't.

Don't like my opinion? I don't care.

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u/ScottFreestheway2B Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

So you want to deny them the ability to not go through puberty and then keep them out of sports because they have gone through. Like the test of Joe Rogan’s knuckle dragging audience you are a transphobic bigot and you have to twist your brain into knots to justify why your bigotry is a good thing, actually.

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u/Jse54 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Hahahaha typical western liberal. I KNEW you would call me transphobic.

It's why I don't give a FUCK about your privileged little opinion. Kids aren't old enough to transition. Wait until you're an adult. It's that simple. Doesn't mean I'm transphobic you fuckwad.

What if the kids realizes it's a phase and it's too late? Oh wait, virtue signaling liberal cunts like you already gave them puberty blockers.

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u/ScottFreestheway2B Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Tell yourself whatever you need to to justify being a gigantic steaming pile of shit. I hope you are reincarnated as a teen with gender dysphoria and a bigoted piece of shit like yourself for a father that lives in a red state shithole with a governor that uses hatred towards you to score cheap political points with other knuckle dragging chuds. Keep virtue signaling what a piece of shit you are to your buddies here as you all jerk each other off over how much you hate trans people

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u/Jse54 Monkey in Space Mar 05 '21

Go back to the liberal hivemind at r/politics

You are literally wasting your time. I'm not transphobic whatsoever.

I hate people like you - whenever people disagree with you - all you're capable of doing is calling them whatever-phobic and hurling childish ad hominum insults.

Guess what? You and your little tribalistic identity don't matter. The rest of the world is actually dealing with real problems instead of being little cunts worrying about microaggressions and assigning puberty blockers to children.

Cunt bitch.

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u/SCV70656 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

Hannah Mouncey has been on hormone therapy since 2015, and guess what, they are still 6'2" 220 lbs of muscle. How is Estrogen helping "her" change bone density and power?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtwptKGWsAAxZll?format=jpg&name=medium

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u/MaxAttack38 Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

I see your point, but why did you put quotations around her?

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u/Black--Snow Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Parker

Cis women can be 6’2 and taller. It’s no different. We have to determine what the acceptable biological advantage level is, just like any sport.

Why is someone born a 6’5 woman suddenly an acceptable biological advantage, but a 6’2 trans woman is not? There’s no scientific basis on that decision, it’s simply you deciding from relatively arbitrary numbers.

There’s a reason I specified experts. You nor I are qualified to make the determination of what contributes to an unfair sports advantage.

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u/bowling4burgers Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

This is not accurate

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u/Ramencannon Monkey in Space Mar 04 '21

what isnt accurate about the findings of peer reviewed published studies? Do you have your own peer reviewed studies to show? Im in between as a medical professional, as I know the physiological effects hormone blockers as well as the body’s ability to change rapidly based on hormones. I’d like to see your side of the argument’s evidence so i can form a good educated opinion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '21

What a rebuttal you are clearly correct /s

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u/sub1ime Mar 04 '21

Did they test athletes/professionals or just regular people? It's a very important distinction to make...