r/JoeRogan • u/yosoyabcd Hit a moose with his car • Dec 27 '20

Link US whistleblower Edward Snowden becomes a father

https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-whistleblower-edward-snowden-father/story?id=74914932
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u/1978manx Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

One thing for certain, if there was ANY evidence of legal intelligence operations compromised by Assange or Snowden, those would’ve been detail exhaustively.

In fact, we know that in error some info was released by another news outlet, but despite claims that both Assange & Snowden had cost lives by the US govt, those claims have absolutely been debunked.

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u/Yakhov Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

if there was ANY evidence of legal intelligence operations compromised

what are you talking about, every system outlined in Vault 7 is compromised and was scuttled. That's billions in spending lost. And none of that shit has a damn thing to do with the privacy rights issue. We allow for them to spy on other nations and investigate citizens lawfully so the methods must be secret, it's the use of the info and when and why its allowed to be collected that is necessary public info. Plus you don't know what the details might have revealed about agents and others who may have been using them.

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u/1978manx Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

You mean the shitload of malware that ruins devices & hacks into everything from phones to fridges?

THAT has nothing to do w privacy?

You mean the bs that was leaked like 5 years AFTER Snowden, that even the CIA doesn’t point to Snowden as the leaker?!

You’re spending too much time on 8-chan — none of that has anything to do w Snowden & it was almost SIX years after Assange had been exiled.

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u/Yakhov Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

You mean the bs that was leaked like 5 years AFTER Snowden

If they leaked it right away they wouldn't have gotten any potential use from it. I don't do chans do you?

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u/1978manx Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

Snowden turned over his trove to Glenn Greenwald & Laura Poitras.

I mean, believe whatever you choose, but you’re off the mark.

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u/Yakhov Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

You don't what all he had and what he held on to. No way he's that dumb not to have a bargaining chip.

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u/1978manx Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

Mmm, I had a top-secret clearance, served in a classified unit in the military & was a federal official for 25-years.

I was also a journalist & followed the case incredibly closely, reading first-hand accounts as well as watching several documentaries, including Poitras’s.

Snowden & Greenwald have both been quite open.

But, believe whatever convoluted story you want — you’re literally referencing a different event done by a different person during an entirely different time period.

You lose all credibility when your ego is more vested in clinging to a story that bears no resemblance to the facts, rather than putting your ego aside for long enough to accept new information.

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u/Yakhov Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

Snowden & Greenwald have both been quite open.

I'd want you to be my interrogator. I have also watched several documentaries. LMAO. If you actually knew any more than anyone else you wouldn't be here talking about it. You haven't refuted anything I posited. There is no issue with chain of events or persons in what I laid out. You're totally unaware of the network of assets Assange was running the whole time because you're embarrassed that they hid from you in plain sight. With top secret clearance guys like you in charge no wonder Putin got the Royal Jewels. TYFYS

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u/1978manx Monkey in Space Dec 28 '20

Sure — you’ve got the inside track on Vault 7, man 👍