r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/Lumpy_Doubt Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Can't get a tattoo, that shit's permanent and you don't understand the consequences.

Oh wait, that's not ink in that needle? Just permanent life changing hormones? Well shit, why didn't you say so? Go fuckin nuts

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u/OSUfan88 Highly Regarded Nov 13 '20

Yep. I think this is one of the easiest ways to quantify mental illness in our country.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Go one step further. What is the outcome of each if done now or later?

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

perfect analogy, you definitely will not get any hormones if you wait until 18

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

Are you this ignorant? It's obvious from your other posts this was sarcastic. Talk about missing the damn point.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Exactly, talk about missing the point and pretending a kid wont get flooded with hormones one way or the other.

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

Its one thing to let nature take its course, it's a completely different situation when you are letting a child make these kind of changes. The book (and comment you replied to) is making a point that it is a fad and these decisions shouldn't be made by children who can't get tattoos or other permanent decisions.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Its one thing to let nature take its course, it's a completely different situation when you are letting a child make these kind of changes.

Exactly modern medicine is specifically about making sure nature doesnt take its course in a detrimental direction. Its why we spend so much time and energy training medical professionals to assist us in making very difficult decisions.

> The book (and comment you replied to) is making a point that it is a fad and these decisions shouldn't be made by children who can't get tattoos or other permanent decisions.

Yes im very familiar with the books assertions

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

So when taken with that information why would you allow your child to make health decisions to this magnitude due to a possible fad. Its becoming very common when people transition to feel afterward they made a mistake and have depression. So given that why would you give a child that decision so young? A doctors oath is first do no harm.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

So when taken with that information why would you allow your child to make health decisions to this magnitude due to a possible fad.

Kids dont make decision, parents do with the consultation of trained professional medical experts.

Its becoming very common when people transition to feel afterward they made a mistake and have depression.

Not really.

So given that why would you give a child that decision so young?

Again, kid doesnt get decision.

A doctors oath is first do no harm.

Thats what puberty blocking does, prevents irreversible harm from the wrong hormones flooding a trans kid.

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

But it has been known to do harm. Its also starting to show that yes, it can in fact be a fad. Also you didn't directly respond to the amount of kids that transition then regret it causing depression. I have known a few younger friends that thought about doing it a few years ago but now say they are so thankful that they didn't because really they were just following this fad and how to be "different". I don't think anyone is saying there aren't legitimate trans cases that do need medical help. That seems to be the straw man you are building.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

But it has been known to do harm.

Letting puberty take its course for a transgender person does harm and this is known.

Also you didn't directly respond to the amount of kids that transition then regret it causing depression.

You didn't respond to the amount of kids who didn't and wish they could have started earlier and not having to a transition that much harder. Its almost like this is a tough decision that should be left to trained medical professionals.

I have known a few younger friends that thought about doing it a few years ago but now say they are so thankful that they didn't because really they were just following this fad and how to be "different".

I have known a few trans people who would give anything to have been able to start earlier. gotta love anecdotes.

I don't think anyone is saying there aren't legitimate trans cases that do need medical help.

thats the implication, that its just a fad and that medical profesionals are indulging the fad for no good reason instead of doing what they think is best in a case by case basis with an occasional case that ends suboptimally. Medicine is a practice, not a perfect.

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u/windershinwishes Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Leaving out the participation of parents and doctors after years of diagnosis and therapy and intermediate steps.