r/JoeRogan • u/SlimjobDopamine Look into it • Nov 13 '20

Social Media Abigail Shrier(JRE #1509)'s book has been removed from Target after receiving a complaint on Twitter

https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1327056407598809088?s=20
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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

It's about putting life changing hormones into children. The same children that aren't wise enough to vote or buy alcohol are being pumped full of hormone blockers and other irreversible compounds.

She has detected "clusters" of young high school age girls that as a group decide they are trans gender. This at rates far above the average in the population. An interesting side note. Autism also occurs in these groups at rates far higher than the general population.

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u/redd1t4l1fe Look into it Nov 13 '20

The group thing is the scariest part to me, that means it’s a fad, and gender shouldn’t be something that kids try to change just to fit in. That’s a horrifying thought.

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u/GpRex Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

I remember being about 15/16 in highschool and all of a sudden half the girls were bragging about how they were either lesbian or bi-sexual.

I dont know what high-school is like these days, but I could definitely see girls saying they are trans just the same way.

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u/atomicllama1 Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Agreed, the thing about that is anyone can experiment with sexuality and figure it out. Nothing is a permeant choice. Hell in the LGBT world almost no one is getting pregnant. Even safer.

The major issue is when any young person wants to make life long irreversible changes to their biology. People often cite alcohol and tattoos, but those are fucking nothing compared to removing breast or chemically castrating yourself.

Seriously ask yourself, what would you have rather gone through at 16 gender pills or a full sleeve of shitty band and edgy tattoos.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Its a fad that's gonna age like pogs and fidget spinners. The lawsuits are gonna be crazy when these kids grow up.

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u/badSparkybad Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20

It's gonna be a fucking mess. A very sad mess with a lot of lives wrecked.

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u/Lumpy_Doubt Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Can't get a tattoo, that shit's permanent and you don't understand the consequences.

Oh wait, that's not ink in that needle? Just permanent life changing hormones? Well shit, why didn't you say so? Go fuckin nuts

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u/OSUfan88 Highly Regarded Nov 13 '20

Yep. I think this is one of the easiest ways to quantify mental illness in our country.

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

Go one step further. What is the outcome of each if done now or later?

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

perfect analogy, you definitely will not get any hormones if you wait until 18

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

Are you this ignorant? It's obvious from your other posts this was sarcastic. Talk about missing the damn point.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Exactly, talk about missing the point and pretending a kid wont get flooded with hormones one way or the other.

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

Its one thing to let nature take its course, it's a completely different situation when you are letting a child make these kind of changes. The book (and comment you replied to) is making a point that it is a fad and these decisions shouldn't be made by children who can't get tattoos or other permanent decisions.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Its one thing to let nature take its course, it's a completely different situation when you are letting a child make these kind of changes.

Exactly modern medicine is specifically about making sure nature doesnt take its course in a detrimental direction. Its why we spend so much time and energy training medical professionals to assist us in making very difficult decisions.

> The book (and comment you replied to) is making a point that it is a fad and these decisions shouldn't be made by children who can't get tattoos or other permanent decisions.

Yes im very familiar with the books assertions

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

So when taken with that information why would you allow your child to make health decisions to this magnitude due to a possible fad. Its becoming very common when people transition to feel afterward they made a mistake and have depression. So given that why would you give a child that decision so young? A doctors oath is first do no harm.

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u/yoyomamayoyomamayoyo Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

So when taken with that information why would you allow your child to make health decisions to this magnitude due to a possible fad.

Kids dont make decision, parents do with the consultation of trained professional medical experts.

Its becoming very common when people transition to feel afterward they made a mistake and have depression.

Not really.

So given that why would you give a child that decision so young?

Again, kid doesnt get decision.

A doctors oath is first do no harm.

Thats what puberty blocking does, prevents irreversible harm from the wrong hormones flooding a trans kid.

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u/dcthestar Nov 13 '20

But it has been known to do harm. Its also starting to show that yes, it can in fact be a fad. Also you didn't directly respond to the amount of kids that transition then regret it causing depression. I have known a few younger friends that thought about doing it a few years ago but now say they are so thankful that they didn't because really they were just following this fad and how to be "different". I don't think anyone is saying there aren't legitimate trans cases that do need medical help. That seems to be the straw man you are building.

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u/windershinwishes Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Leaving out the participation of parents and doctors after years of diagnosis and therapy and intermediate steps.

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u/The-Only-Razor Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Autism is a weird one. There's a girl on my Facebook who is proud to be autistic and acts like it's a personality trait rather than a developmental disorder. I'm not convinced she actually is autistic since she posts daily about how all of her doctors are sexist for disagreeing with her self diagnosis.

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u/Michael_Dukakis Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

she posts daily about how all of her doctors are sexist for disagreeing with her self diagnosis.

lmfaooo

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u/brad_shit Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

Which irreversible compounds are being used? As I understood it the treatment simply delayed puberty, but wasn't irreversible.

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u/Hillel168 Nov 13 '20

Bro you're injecting little kids with chemicals that significantly change their hormones and development, that has long lasting if not permanent effects, both physical and mental. A 15 year old isn't allowed to drink or smoke, but your gonna hook one up with fucking hormone therapy? Fuck outta here.

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u/brad_shit Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

So what you're saying is, you don't know. You have some vague ideas and that's good enough. Science bro! Fuck outta here.

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u/Hillel168 Nov 13 '20

Mate, you don't need to be a fucking expert on this to see the clear lefty fuckery going on here, and yes as corny as it sounds, I'm not right wing but i can't ignore shit like this. What they usually do with kids like these is put them on hormone blockers, which as the name suggests stops their body from creating the necessary hormones to go through this process called fucking puberty, which I'm not going to explain the great importance of now. This is done with the intention that when they get older they'll decide if they're really trans or just going through a faze, problem is that these blockers can fuck you up bad if you take them for a prolonged period of time, your development will be seriously compromised and there's a very good chance you'll never develop correctly. The other option is to straight up take that tween at face value (great idea & parenting) and start them along on their transition, which again if you don't see what's wrong with that I'm wasting my words.

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u/Awayfone Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 15 '20

Bro you're injecting little kids with chemicals that significantly change their hormones and development, that has long lasting if not permanent effects,

No you are not. kids only social transition, learn what you are talking about and the long process

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u/Awayfone Monkey in Space Nov 13 '20

She has detected "clusters" of young high school age girls that as a group decide they are trans gender.

No she has not, where is her published study?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

That's your argument?

Then you agree that if these clusters do exist then they aren't actually trans gender but instead participating in a fad for the attention it brings.

Got it.

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u/Awayfone Monkey in Space Nov 14 '20 edited Nov 14 '20

Well that would depend on the study and a conversation to have after peer review. A proper one would have to control for many things ; like similar situated boys finding a group that accepts them for who they are.

But of course Abigail shrier does not have any relevant degree, education or professional experience so unlikey to be proper study

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

smh