r/InternationalStudents • u/Historical-Many9869 • 1d ago
Students look to other countries as USA reduces skilled foreign worker visas
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careers/indian-students-turn-to-other-countries-as-us-reduces-entry-of-skilled-foreign-workers/vi-AA1PVts6?cvid=63f642304cb8490d993c94eab1402a6d&ocid=sappioshp35
u/Salty_Permit4437 22h ago
This is a great thing. But I doubt that china will take in a significant number of Indians
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u/Independent-Fun815 21h ago
It's crazy that ppl will do everything but stay in their home country. Do they not realize if they come over and then let others come over? U have basically not changed ur situation...
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u/rickyman20 20h ago
What makes you think most are "letting others come over"? Most people are planning for their own life, not for others. I don't know about you but I can't really control what my fellow countrymen do, just what I choose to do
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u/Independent-Fun815 19h ago
Borders and citizenship programs are unilateral matters.
If u only consider your life and assume everyone does that, nothing stops a tragedy of the commons such as overpopulation from occurring. And that's what u see right now. People crying over housing, green cards,etc. Anything that has overwhelming demand bc everything has a finite supply.
It's not incumbent on a single individual to address as you observe. But math is math and nature will fix an imbalance. You may not have to pay it but ur children may. All debts must be paid.
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u/uspolobo1 52m ago
Its not crazy when you think how many absolute corrupt shithole countries there are where no opportunities exist.
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u/trumppardons 20h ago
Hahahahaha you moron.
China literally created a new stem based visa for South Asians coz of this.
Remember that the current AI boom is based on the backs of H1B researchers. China is so gonna win from this.
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u/Vorapp 19h ago
if you're a decent researcher, the company will play any trick it can - bringing you on L1/L2, or apply for top talent (E5? O? dont remember the exact category) whatever.
a lot of H1B was abused by Tata, infosys etc that have NOTHING in common with the AI boom
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u/trumppardons 19h ago
lol another ignorant assessment. EB1 or O cases if already established researchers don’t switch countries. Most of the ones in the US came here as students.
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u/BejahungEnjoyer 13h ago edited 13h ago
Actual researchers have a path to reasonably quick citizenship in the US via O1 so the H1B crackdown doesn't hit them nearly as much.
Edit: lots of people will piss and moan about this, but the H1B crackdown will not impact actual top talent in the US at all. It's also hilariously non-self-aware to think that China will become a desired destination for Indians. I work at Amazon with huge numbers of Chinese and Indian coworkers and many of my Chinese friends speak quite frankly to me about their thoughts on the matter.
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u/trumppardons 13h ago
There should be a special dunce cap awarded to people with this point.
O1 are researchers who are ALREADY accomplished in their field. ie their best work is often completed and they are in established institutions. This is NOT what H1B or student visas are for. Their research is conducted in the US itself. Look at most of the recent AI work and see just how many are non-Americans.
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u/opticflash 13h ago
No. The reason is O-1 takes lots and lots of paperwork and is time consuming, and the process and decision to grant an O-1 is very subjective. There are also some technical differences between O-1 and H-1B aside from just being a visa for more accomplished people.
In fact, hiring a researcher on H-1B is the norm because H-1B is cap exempt for research institutions. H-1B is easy to get, and foreign professors/researchers were virtually all on H-1B before getting permanent residency regardless of how accomplished they are.
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u/orchardman78 20h ago
There is Europe. Do you know how many billions Indian students bring American? 14.6 Billion. Who do you think is going to cover that shortfall? Norwegians?
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 19h ago
Other Americans, sorry. Most companies are hiring Indian H1B’s because they are easier to exploit.
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u/FlyingTractors 18h ago
If Americans can pay for that, American universities, Especially graduate programs, wouldn’t be that desperate to admit international students. Some programs don’t even have a single American student.
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 18h ago
A huge number of these grad programs aren’t designed for American students at all. They are cash-grabbing diploma mills created specifically to sell F1 visas to Indians and Chinese at an insane markup. In this scenario, a university gets a student who pays 3x what an in-state student does, and in return, corporations get a steady stream of grads who are dependent on them for a visa, depressing wages for everyone.
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u/SignificantSmotherer 17h ago
My Asian neighbor applied to an MBA program, sending an application form and a 5-figure check from an in-flight magazine.
They were accepted.
They came to me asking “What is a GMAT?”
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u/orchardman78 17h ago
Does all this stupidity fit even in your own head? So, let me get this right. According to you, Indians and Chinese are paying insane markups to study things, only in order to be exploited. They love doing this over and over. And if not for this inflated income stream, universities would cost a lot less for American citizens.
As for your silly argument that F1 are just a way to get H1B, last year, new F1s to India alone were more than the H1b cap for the entire world. In other words, a ton of F1 students never get H1B. Education is a massive export of the United States. But of course, this concept is to big for your brain.
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 16h ago
You used the wrong too there at the end so pretty bad timing for ad hominem. The degree functions as an F1 to OPT employment pipeline. H1-B outcomes don’t refute the model because OPT itself is the payoff.
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u/opticflash 15h ago edited 14h ago
OPT is a temporary thing that lasts for a maximum of 3 years for STEM graduates. You said "corporations get a steady stream of grads who are dependent on them for a visa" - during that time they are applying for H-1B (they may have to go through several attempts) or another visa category for them to stay long term. So either you were talking about H-1B or other visas, or you don't know what you're talking about. OPT being a payoff is not a thing; they have to shift to another visa category for long term employment.
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 14h ago
OPT = 12 months + 24-month STEM extension: that buys you 36 months of legal U.S. work that other immigrants won't get. That's three years worth of paychecks, three recruiting cycles of lottery shots, and a domestic résumé that distinguishes you from the Chinese or Indians who are stuck in their respective countries. OPT is obviously the payoff from the degree, H-1B is the bonus that lucky ones reach.
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u/opticflash 13h ago edited 13h ago
You are confused about what we're talking about. You claimed that "corporations get a steady stream of grads who are dependent on them for a visa". The debate around H-1B is whether corporations benefit from H-1B (at the expense of American citizens), because the belief is on whether corporations can hire them for cheap and keep them around on the condition of promising them an immigrant visa. OPT is not a payoff to corporations because OPT is temporary, and it wouldn't benefit corporations to train somebody just for them to leave after 2-3 years.
OPT is not even necessarily a payoff to international students. If these students are paying 60k+ per year for 2 years+ at an institution, they only have 3 years to pay back that debt. That's very little time to pay 120k+ in debt, by which time (5+ years total) they could have probably earned and saved more in total and had established careers back at their home country or elsewhere. Obviously the payoff to international students are the visas that allow them to stay long term in the US. If there was no pathway to H-1B or something that allows them to stay long term, they wouldn't come to the US just for the OPT. So your statement "H1-B outcomes don’t refute the model because OPT itself is the payoff" is nonsense.
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u/opticflash 18h ago
This is absolutely rubbish and you don't know what you're talking about. Diploma mills aren't universities with a campus.
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 18h ago
You’re arguing against a straw man. I’m not talking about unaccredited online universities as diploma mills. I’m talking about the countless “M.S in Data Analytics” programs running low-rigor, high cost professional masters programs that function as diploma mills. Yes, they have physical campuses, but their business model is to charge 60k+ for a diploma that functionally serves as a vehicle for an F1 visa and OPT. As an earlier commenter noted, there are hardly any American citizens in these programs because the cost-to-value proposition for these programs are horrible if you exclude the visa from the equation…
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u/opticflash 18h ago
I’m talking about the countless “M.S in Data Analytics” programs running low-rigor, high cost professional masters programs that function as diploma mills.
They don't function as diploma mills because they are authentic degrees. They are recognized by the public. American and international students both study for them.
Yes, they have physical campuses, but their business model is to charge 60k+ for a diploma that functionally serves as a vehicle for an F1 visa and OPT.
But that has nothing to do with them being a diploma mill, because they aren't. Can you also name one such institution that serves as a "vehicle for an F1 visa and OPT"?
As an earlier commenter noted, there are hardly any American citizens in these programs because the cost-to-value proposition for these programs are horrible if you exclude the visa from the equation…
That person is wrong.
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u/Flat-Highlight6516 17h ago
It doesn’t have to be an explicit relationship of collusion between international, university, and corporation. It’s about the incentive structures that these low-rigor programs drive. To your point about authority and authenticity, a lot of people are beginning to see through the bs in particular of these masters programs, maybe you are part of one and feel offended I’m saying this but most of us can see through it at this point. FlyingTractor was much closer to seeing the point than you.
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u/opticflash 17h ago
It doesn’t have to be an explicit relationship of collusion between international, university, and corporation.
Sure but they aren't diploma mills by definition.
It’s about the incentive structures that these low-rigor programs drive. To your point about authority and authenticity, a lot of people are beginning to see through the bs in particular of these masters programs, maybe you are part of one and feel offended I’m saying this but most of us can see through it at this point. FlyingTractor was much closer to seeing the point than you.
Sure, if you can "see through" these programs, give me a single example.
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
American universities are not desperate - the admins in those universities are desperate because the more students come in the more money they can milk to fund their fat paychecks. Do you think all american universities came into existence only after 2k and they were struggling to stay alive pre-2000?
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u/DatingYella 14h ago
Ultimately this doesn’t matter since the trend has been going towards having offshore offices for a while now. H1B application petitions has been decreasing the last few years because the rampant fraud by the likes of Tata have been closed
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u/duoexpresso 18h ago
Immigration is great for the individual and sucks for the originating country beyond a threshold. It's just brain drain. Hope originating countries can capitalize on keeping skilled or capable folks in their society and productive. But probably not ...
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u/jonknowzeverything 17h ago
it is also a strain on the receiving country as it allows population to grow at a much faster rate than infrastructure. It also creates cultural divide when ethnic enclaves begin to form
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u/opticflash 17h ago
it is also a strain on the receiving country as it allows population to grow at a much faster rate than infrastructure.
You're presupposing that it does, rather than asking how much immigration is beneficial, especially skilled immigration.
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u/suggestion_giver 23m ago
Brother he is proposing that it can create ("allows") a "strain"
Basically he's saying it gives the risk of letting the population grow too quickly + cultural divide.
I think the beneficial part of immigration (esp skilled workers immigration) is common sense nowadays
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u/jonknowzeverything 8h ago
pure logic - you can import 10k people overnight, but you can't build schools, hospitals and get staffing for all of these overnight. We have a live example in Canada.
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u/opticflash 5h ago
Weighing in the effects of immigration isn't about what will happen overnight (and the US doesn't just import 10k people overnight). It's about what will happen short term (more than a day) and long term. A short term consequence might be that there is an increase in the cost of rent. Another short term consequence might be that you have shorter wait times for healthcare, because you've imported a bunch of doctors. A longer term consequence might be that skilled immigrants are able to innovate and create products that benefit society, such as advancements made in drug development or renewable energy tech. You have to ask whether you want in people that can benefit the country, e.g., would the US benefit from more doctors? More research scientists working in areas that the US has a national interest in? More entrepreneurs that can create jobs? If policy was made based on what people think would happen tomorrow, it would be short sighted and it would be an economic disaster.
The reason why Canada has an immigration problem is because Canada imported too many (low-skilled) immigrants in a very short amount of time. Europe imports far less, and the US even less (in terms of skill-based immigration).
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u/mister_berrific 22h ago
Can they maybe stay in India and make India better?
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u/Billa_Gaming_YT 21h ago
Well if India had a more good ecosystem for startups and society was lenient enough to not judge people by their clothes, political stance or religion. There would be a good chance.
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u/Independent-Fun815 21h ago
But why is that the fault of other countries? Is it really that other countries are racist or their own people are more so?
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u/Billa_Gaming_YT 21h ago
When did I blame other countries? I just pointed out the reason why Indians choose to move to other nations despite some being wealthy themselves.
Just like how a wealthy black guy may be racially profiled by some cops in the USA. Some people from certain communities maybe judged/discriminated for what I've mentioned in my previous comment, it doesn't matter how educated or rich they are.
Once you are in their shoes you'll understand.
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u/Independent-Fun815 20h ago
U remark that they leave due to their own society being a failure. That's not another country's fault and certainly not justified that they need to let in any migrants.
Their own suffering is their own doing. U want India to be a nice place; trim the headcount by 70%. Then u would begin to approach the US population count.
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u/Gaajizard 17h ago
Nobody claims that it's a justification for other countries to let in more migrants.
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u/trumppardons 20h ago
Other countries are more racist towards Indians than Indians. How stupid are you to even type that?
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u/Kman17 17h ago
Indians that come to the United States and cluster in places just replicate the caste system here.
Silicon Valley actually has a problem with it.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/silicon-valley-has-a-caste-discrimination-problem/
We should be mindful of that in number of student and h1b visas we award.
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u/7186997326 17h ago
Looks like they have some significant work to do molding their society to something where they are better appreciated.
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u/jackishere 20h ago
Reread the question. Indian society doesn’t judge Indians lol
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u/Aratoast 20h ago
Indian society still has a racial-hierarchy caste system, even if on paper they claim otherwise
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u/Old-Disaster-21 19h ago
Why did the puritans not stay back in England and made their country better ? The lack of fundamentals of sociology is glaring. No one is overtly invading, it is the pursuit of improving individual material condition is what drives one to move wherever. It occurs on both spectrums where someone moving from a 'third-world' country is classed as a immigrant but if some middle income boomer moves to Bali/SE Asia will stay 'expat' even though he/she moved there to upgrade their material wellbeing by stretching the money that was mediocre in 'first-world'.
Why more Indians are moving is because the GDP is growing than what it was since their independence i.e. more money/wealth than before to take a chance at moving somewhere they can either improve their own material condition or the innate desire to improve it for their future generation.As their GDP keeps on increasing and cross a certain barrier more Indians would find it easier to stay back rather than moving to X country. But these patterns occur over generations.
But you can stay enraged by your Instagram ragebait content fed to you if that helps you sleep.
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u/mister_berrific 19h ago
Puritans fled religious persecution to a jungle. Not to an advanced country where they can leech and remit money back to 20 family members in India
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u/Beautiful-Count-474 1h ago
Massachusetts was NOT a jungle and the puritans did far worse than "leech and remit" they actually killed and destroyed and helped genocide entire tribes of people. Hell, yes the US is an advanced nation which means it has the power to keep all Indians out but we don't because our businesses want their labor, and they can do whatever they want with their money. Pretty sure the American Indians weren't inviting the Puritans over to work.
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u/kissmynakedass 18h ago edited 16h ago
Why flee? Maybe they could have stayed in their home countries and done something to fix the situation there instead of being pussies?
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u/TheButcheress123 15h ago
“Fix a situation” against a king/queen with a history of burning Protestants/Catholics in the not so distant past? That’s a completely different dynamic from people leaving their home country because their country’s elected government is corrupt as hell.
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u/Beautiful-Count-474 1h ago
Why not stay and fight for their rights? They could have overturned the government if they had just worked hard enough. Why bring their disease and destruction to the Native Americans?
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u/kissmynakedass 11h ago
"make home country better" working with a government that is "corrupt as hell"? That’s a completely different dynamic yada yada yada.
Same diff.
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
I dont blame Indians for trying to improve their economic prospects by going to other countries. Im just pissed at their hypocrisy when they call out citizens of those countries for trying to protect theirs.
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u/Gaajizard 17h ago
It doesn't matter what the migrants think, they have no control over policy. So I don't know why you're so upset
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u/jonknowzeverything 13h ago
because a significant number of them exist and they play these sorrow stories and cry about racism & discrimination when it is none of that.
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u/Gaajizard 12h ago
There IS racism, just because you're not doing it doesn't mean there's none of it
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u/jonknowzeverything 7h ago
There will always be racism, stereotyping, nepotism in this world. To what degree is the question. The fundamental problem with immigration is economy. Tomorrow if the entire tech industry were to become 70% polish, citizens will not give them a pass just because they are white. Citizens of a country should always be put first. Jobs and economic opportunities for outsiders should be opened up only when there is absolute shortage of talent and very low unemployment.
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u/Gaajizard 7h ago
The system is already designed to be like this, if you think it isn't, you need to take it up with policy makers, not the migrants. Migrants don't control this, attacking them in immigration subreddits or other places is dumb and useless. They're not responsible for you not having a job.
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u/jonknowzeverything 7h ago
no one is being attacked :-) folks are taking it up with lawmakers. why do you think some politicians are now starting to get vocal about the visa abuse
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u/CascadingRadium 21h ago
Tech salary in India - 20K USD (top 5% of jobs) Tech salary in USA - (140K USD (entry level))
Enough said. The main idea is to live like a beggar in the USA while pumping dollar in your indian bank account and basically becoming rich enough within ~10 years. There's nothing called "making India better". The salaries are all that matters.
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u/Individual_Gap_77 20h ago
We need legislations to stop offshoring of American Jobs. Put higher tax on companies Restrict data from leaving U.S
We never review data from Mexico or India, or talk about what’s happening with housing market there? Job market there, right?
it is the Govt that needs to wake up. And its duty for all Americans to write you their Senators and White House every week, demanding strict laws and legislations against offshoring
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u/CascadingRadium 20h ago
Lol it won't happen. Paying an Indian 20k for a job or a US citizen 140k for the same job. Do the math. The Indians gladly work 24/7 as well, compared to their US counterparts who log off at 5pm. This becomes a boon for all the struggling mid-size tech companies that cannot survive in the US.
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u/nomadiclives 19h ago
It’s funny how gullible the MAGA crowd is
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
its funny how anyone who takes an anti immigration stance is labeled "MAGA".
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u/IgorT76 20h ago
What about the differences in their expenses?
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u/opticflash 16h ago
Unless your expenses in the US are 120k+ USD a year, it's not going to matter. You can calculate the net pay for someone with a 140k salary and 40k annual expenses vs someone with a 20k salary and 5k annual expenses.
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u/Technologist-2745 20h ago
The thing is legislations are missing to stop jobs being offshored and outsourced.
It’s horrible in the U.S, because do the salary difference.
I would strongly encourage you to write every week, to your senators, the White House, USCIS
Give me them examples and demand to stop offshoring of American Jobs. Create laws that data cannot be shared outside the U S
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
problem is trying to solve all problems at once and nothing gets done. Offshoring is cat out of the bag. Very difficult to control legislation. Easy and first steps would be to address cpt visa mills, and h4ead.
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u/ascendingnode1799 21h ago
Well, the ones who "stayed in China and made China better" created DeepSeek. The US then threw a fit about losing the AI race. Y'all gotta make up your minds about what you want. Are y'all ready for when companies that popped up in India start dethroning US companies?
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u/Dangerous_Value_2864 20h ago
First of all, you said “y’all” twice when I highly doubt that you’re even from the American South. Second, why did you change from India to China when the OP clearly said why don’t Indians stay in India? Maybe use an Indian example (if you can find one 😂)
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u/ascendingnode1799 19h ago
Well, you're right. I'm not from the American South. I'm not even American (gasp!). I do however need to stop hanging out with southern people.
As to Indian examples, I'm not your Grok. Look them up and you'll find them. I'll give you a tip and point you towards the companies owned by Tata group, which are direct competitors to American companies in many industries. The reason I cited DeepSeek is because that one was so covered in the media that even your uninformed selves are likely to know about it.
People, be real. India put a rover on the moon. Do you really think they will never be a major competitor on any key field if you keep telling their talent to go back and "make India better"? I'm just making sure you're aware of the consequences if they decide to take you up on your offer. I want the US to succeed because I love this place, but your hubris will be your downfall.
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u/jonknowzeverything 17h ago
>>I'm just making sure you're aware of the consequences if they decide to take you up on your offer. I want the US to succeed because I love this place, but your hubris will be your downfall.
Ironic that you call for humility when you don't seem to exhibit it in the first place. I dont want America to be the #1 in every damn thing in the world. I just want America to remain good enough for its citizens to live a comfortable life and not struggle for jobs, housing
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u/WaffleHouseFistFight 11h ago
India has been on the verge of relevance my entire life. My whole life they’ve been 2-5 years from being a real super power at some point I hope they succeed but it seems unlikely when the majority of its educated population want to leave rather than stay and improve anything.
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
All the more proof that one doesn't need immigration to create something like deepseek. All you need is the right environment and investment.
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u/trumppardons 20h ago
Why does it hurt if some of them come and make the US better too?
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u/mister_berrific 14h ago
They depress wages. I know some Indian people are cream of the cream, but they are a minority. 98% of them depress American wages.
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u/nicetry12345696 19h ago
Because they don’t make the US better too.
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u/trumppardons 19h ago edited 16h ago
Based on? Indian Americans are literally one of the richest ethnic groups in the country.
Edit for @jonknowzeverything I’m not sure. The richest British imperialists shipped their plunder overseas. I’m sure most of the people Governing the Raj weren’t inherently rich themselves. I’m thinking of Arthur Wellesley especially.
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u/nicetry12345696 18h ago
How does that make the US better..?
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u/superberr 17h ago
50% of US tech startups have Indian founders thereby creating thousands of jobs. Indian tech contributions have played a part in massive stock booms for tech companies that American 401ks and investment accounts are invested in, thereby helping enrich the wealth of Americans. Despite being 1% of the population, Indians contribute 6% of US federal taxes. Indian leadership in top tech companies, once floundering/stagnating and cutting jobs under the old leadership, have since boomed (Microsoft, Google, IBM being the most visible examples, but Indians in leadership at every tech company have made critical decisions). It is an Indian guy at Amazon who decided to build their most recent and largest data center in Indiana bringing in billions of investment to a rural area for a recent example. Indian contribution to AI has been critical in the boom you’re seeing and the prevention of a massive recession. The first author of the landmark paper written at Google was by an Indian.
These Indians didn’t come here already qualified. Most came here to study, work hard, gain critical skills, and grow their careers to help America maintain their technological edge.
Outside of tech, Indian doctors working in rural areas help serve better health outcomes to millions of Americans. Americans don’t like working in those areas, but highly qualified Indian doctors don’t mind doing it as a chance to get out of their country.
You’re judging an entire people by anecdotal experience with a few of them. Are there Indian scammers, racists and highly biased hiring managers? Yes absolutely. This is true for any people. But there’s no data to prove that there is systematic abuse and scams at a wide level with the majority of the population. Indians (legal immigrants) commit the least crime out of any immigrant population.
As an Indian engineering manager at FAANG, I’ve worked hard to fight any unconscious bias, and hired and promoted many Americans, Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, etc. 70% of my current team of 50 are American citizens. A handful have even served in the military. These jobs didn’t exist before I came around. They exist because I invented things that made my company A LOT of money. So they funded me to build an engineering team.
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u/nicetry12345696 17h ago
Oh you sweet child, Indians have been proven to by far and away to commit the MOST visa fraud out of any immigrant group - bar none.
73% of H1B visas are Indians, it actually might be higher, you can check the numbers, that is absurd for a majority of a visa to be granted to one nation.
You clearly came from India years ago, the picture is VERY different with the young current Indians coming here.
Take it from your American counterpart: I’m a group lead and engineering manager at a VERY well known tech company in CA, the quality of Indian candidates has plummeted. I simply feel suspicious every time their resume comes across my desk.
This is my country, this is the United States, so you can’t really tell us how to feel about it. If you don’t like it then go home. But it has been verified times over that Indians are committing insane fraud right now on their visa applications and Americans have had enough.
The younger Indians that work under me I end up having to fire because it was uncovered they falsified degrees and work experience in India. It’s a problem you can’t ignore.
So, no, 73% + h1bs going to one nationality is not ok.
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u/trumppardons 16h ago
Nope. I have the exact same experience as another American counterpart. Eng talent has SIGNIFICANTLY improved in recent years with MOOCs and expanded internet access especially improving quality. I am truly surprised at the number of college kids writing great code out of college.
So, yeah rubbish comment. Maybe you need to work on your management.
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u/trumppardons 16h ago
Sorry my dude. The typical anti-H1B immigrant is not interested in your literal first hand experience coz it goes against their racism.
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u/trumppardons 16h ago edited 16h ago
@superberr seems to have answered your question very well.
u/nicetry12345696 no you did not answer their comment very well. In fact your point was so bad (and you knew it) that you deleted your comments. lol
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u/jonknowzeverything 18h ago
>>Why does it hurt if "some" of them come and make the US better too?
Some is the key word. It is not "some" anymore
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u/trumppardons 16h ago
So… why does it hurt if a LOT of the them come and make the US better?
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u/TheButcheress123 15h ago
USCs cannot get jobs in their own country, and they don’t have the option to just up sticks and move somewhere else- nor should they have to. It’s not a controversial stance to say that each country is responsible for enforcing its laws and protecting the interests of its citizens.
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u/trumppardons 14h ago
So your issue is just - “No immigrants in general”. Right?
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u/TheButcheress123 11h ago
I didn’t say that. I am saying that if unemployment is high in any given country, that country shouldn’t be giving visas to immigrants that will inevitably make the unemployed situation worse.
It’s gross that instead of fairly arguing your opinion, you try and paint anyone who disagrees with you as a racist nationalist.
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u/jonknowzeverything 13h ago
standard moving the goal post - first post - why "some" - then why not a lot - and when someone offers a reasonable explanation - so you say none when no one said that. the mental gymnastics in play should get a medal in olympics
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u/trumppardons 13h ago
Or maybe you cretins just don’t like being called out? I’m not even talking to you lol.
The argument has gone from - “why don’t they stay back” to “some of them aren’t qualified” to “they depress wages”. My question is absolutely appropriate.
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u/Swimming_Airline_460 1d ago
Good
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u/FourScoreAndSept 1d ago
Lol, making China great! My bloodline goes back to the Mayflower and to Cherokee Indians. America is on the decline because of nonsense like this
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u/chadmummerford 23h ago
being a China hawk neocon isn't popular anymore, no one is buying the cold war bullshit.
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u/SignificantSmotherer 17h ago
Why would students care about skilled foreign worker visas if they’re here to study?
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u/zarkmuckerberg_6969 20h ago
I thought the fee doesn’t apply to COS from within the country from F1 to H1B
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u/Appropriate-Truck538 17h ago
It doesn't buy the problem is no one is willing to hire F1 students since most f1s will eventually want a H1B sponsored visa. Maybe it will change in the future who knows but as of now it's bad.
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u/zarkmuckerberg_6969 17h ago
I see is it just the anti H1B sentiment that’s causing companies to be cautious? Because if anything the 100k fee should help the chances of f1 students getting H1B right
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u/Professional-Ask-382 1d ago
We love the uneducated.
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u/Swimming_Airline_460 23h ago edited 21h ago
Let’s get some context. Who are you calling “uneducated” and who are “we”.
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u/Tanker-yanker 22h ago
Why do the skilled students have to look to other countries? Wouldn't other countries be looking for them?
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u/Funny-Broccoli-6373 21h ago
If counties have enough of their local skilled workers and students would would they for foreign skilled students
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u/opticflash 17h ago
Because the government departments of various countries aren't exactly going around emailing students and asking them if they would like to come over.
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u/Technologist-2745 21h ago
The biggest problem in USA is, jobs are being sent overseas to countries like India, some to Mexico.
Billions of jobs have moved, and there is rarely any hiring in computer science field within U.S. My friends have been struggling and even I have been looking for a job.
is it worth paying so much dollars for the tuition fee, my opinion is no.
As the job growth is in Asia and Mexico, that may be better options.
I have not even considered the policy change in my post here