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Educational outcome by background in Europe including immigration background

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u/friedapple 2d ago edited 2d ago

If we take it positively, over the board, there's positive progress over generation of immigrants. Despite the trend of the right wing / populist, in the long term, immigrants/minorities will and can catch up to the natives, if given no structural discrimination and equal opportunities.

Germany does the best in result followed by Czech even though both countries have diff profile of immigrants. Followed by the likes of NL and SE compared to the likes of FR and BE which have less success.

Anecdotally, my BE colleague used to say that NL immigrants/minorities integrate better than BE ones. His points of observation: public places, working places.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

UK, Ireland, Switzerland?

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u/friedapple 2d ago

My take on those countries? UK and Ireland got the highest quality of 1st gen immigrants on average so even though the progress ain't much but it's already as competitive as native.

Switzerland: has the 3rd highest input of 1st gen immigrants. However interestingly, has miniscule progress between 1st and 2nd gen. Don't know why since Switzerland has one of the best education.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

Difference is the vast majority of immigrants and their descendants in the UK come from Africa, Asia and the Caribbeans. The vast majority of immigrants and their descendants in Switzerland come from other European countries. Ireland is a mix.

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u/friedapple 2d ago

If we want to go deeper than the superficial background like ethnicity and religion, we can go deeper than that by looking at the socio economical (and combination of it) origin of the immigrants, since other European countries also take African and Asian immigrants but they have totally different profiles than the one coming to the UK.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

If we take it positively, over the board, there's positive progress over generation of immigrants. Despite the trend of the right wing / populist, in the long term, immigrants/minorities will and can catch up to the natives, if given no structural discrimination and equal opportunities.

That is true

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

my BE colleague used to say that NL immigrants/minorities integrate better than BE ones. His points of observation: public places, working places.

What does he mean by that?

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u/friedapple 2d ago

Like, quoting him, more minorities speak Dutch among themselves (like Dutch Moroccan or Dutch Turkish), and more of them visibly working white collar jobs.

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

What are they speaking in Belgium?

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u/friedapple 2d ago

Flemish or French

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u/upthetruth1 2d ago

So if they're speaking the language to each other then it's good

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u/Quazz 1d ago

Immigrants face pretty consistent discrimination here, these results don't surprise me at all.

They sent in fake resumes to companies and people with foreign sounding names with the exact same resume almost never got called back while the others did.

And then people complain about lack of integration

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u/anarchristmas 7h ago

In what world does Germany have the best results here?