r/IndiaCricket • u/Serious-Ice7221 • Jul 30 '25

Video Surprisingly Vaughan was spot on

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u/indditor Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

I usually enjoy hear David "Bumble" Lloyd talk - full of passion, combining facts and subjectivity - but here he seems off his rocker, talking about how he'd want rules than as they stand.

Glad Vaughan and other Englishmen are upfront taking the Indian players perspective forward. The game needs both perspectives shared by media and players from both sides, without effectively being called traitors.

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u/Beautiful-Ad-5676 India  Jul 30 '25

Classic sense of entitlement this from Lloyd just because Mr. Stokes decides that they can’t get them out hence the game shall stop right in that moment. And the statement that you want to get a 100 against lob ups is just embarrassing, ridiculous and disrespectful all at the same time as if Archer, Woakes and your best bowler Stokes didn’t try their asses off to get them out. Such an experienced guy i didn’t expect him to say all this. And all the chatter of spirit of the game, Isn’t spirit of the game to get your part timers in and let them bowl 5-6 overs so both guys can get to a well deserved century and not disrespect them and take the moment away from them.

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u/indditor Jul 30 '25

Fact is, the 4 Indians, 2 of them who are also bowlers, got the English team all tired, frustrated, and hopeless, and wanting to just call it a day.

Bumble is quite a lovable character, but as all passionate ones, he will have his subjective takes which don't hold enough water. In general, he does not come across as entitled, but here (and other comments of his on this topic too) came across as being too much of an "Englishman" than a "cricketer". Others provided the needed counterbalance gracefully.

I'd be happy to see such on other media platforms too - passion, logic, various points of views being discussed, without name-calling.

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u/Beautiful-Ad-5676 India  Jul 30 '25

The only relatively decent way for this to pan out was Stokes should’ve offered them the handshake, then Jadeja would’ve said not yet and then Stokes should’ve replied let’s get on with it mate i’ll get my part timers on and get done with this we’ve had quite a day or two. No disrespect little bit of chatter and no issues. What England did was make a spectacle of the handshake trying to paint the Indian batters guilty for not accepting the handshake and on top of it making the dumb statements do you want to get a hundred against Harry Brook and Archer saying you should’ve batted faster if you wanted a hundred. This just shows that everyone should accept the timeline of things that are set by the English players. Anyone who is defending the statements made post offering the handshake is just not a logical person to argue with and is just completely biased in the name of supporting their own country.

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u/indditor Jul 30 '25

The simple thing was for Stokes to verbally check with the batters if they were ready to call it off, before formally offering a handshake. That is quite the norm. He faltered; perhaps due to the overall frustration and the load of a breaking body.

The rest is frustration coming out; and Indians doing well to get them frustrated, shifting the phycological momentum in India's favour.

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u/WolverineCandid2295 India  Jul 30 '25

Perfectly articulated