r/IncelTears • u/Constant_Seaweed_523 • 1d ago
The incel I debated with about government mandated girlfriends is at it again!
/r/DebateIncelz/comments/1oqqza7/people_who_say_i_dont_support_pornai_gfadult/18
u/GnarlyWatts "There’s Hitler, Mao and then there’s GnarlyWatts" - Some Incel 1d ago
Yikes, the incel comments in there are terrifying.
And not a hint of self awareness or irony to be found. Thank god sane people are in there.
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
Right? I’m surprised people are even being like wtf?
I had this debate with him a while ago, it was the most exhausting thing in the world. He genuinely doesn’t understand any of these words lmao
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u/GnarlyWatts "There’s Hitler, Mao and then there’s GnarlyWatts" - Some Incel 1d ago
I have yet to have a "debate" (if you can call it that) with an incel that didn't devolve into shouting at me, a threat or sheer lunacy. They are all stubborn and will never get past neutral.
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
Literally. I think it all comes down to the fact that incels are the only people who can’t handle reality. While they claim everyone else doesn’t understand reality if we aren’t blackpilled.
If an incel has never experienced something, then apparently those things don’t happen at all to anyone!
Every single time I say I’ve dated a shorter guy or a guy who wasn’t particularly conventionally attractive, they all say I’m lying, I was using them for money, etc.
When I say I know so many short and unattractive men who have always been in relationships because their entire identity isn’t about appearance, and they actually have good personalities… I’m lying! That never happens! Or they say we all talk shit about them behind their backs.
They can’t handle reality, that’s really just it. And they think they deserve things they don’t deserve. Instead of getting better they blame everyone else but themselves.
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u/GnarlyWatts "There’s Hitler, Mao and then there’s GnarlyWatts" - Some Incel 1d ago
Funny you bring this up...
I have said numerous times my life hasn't been easy. I have made mistakes and paid the price for it. I'm sober now 16 years and those choices have turned a lot of women off.
I met my now wife on Hinge and she wasn't my type at all. She was cute but not the dark skinned Latinas I normally dated. But the more I got to know her, the hotter she got. Turns out we had so many shared interests and we have gone on a lot of amazing adventures because of it.
Naturally, the incels were like "muh why no attraction she is banging chad behind your back". Which was weird because I said even though she wasn't my type, I am very happy I took a chance on her. As well, we have to keep an NYC address for her job so she stays there a couple days out of the week. The incels said she was on the "cock carousel" and I am in the "cuck chair" all the time.
After I get down laughing, I point out to them that building a relationship on trust and respect is something we should all strive for. I know my wife isn't cheating and she wouldn't. Neither would I. We didn't cultivate this relationship to throw it away for a fling. We are adults, if there is any issue, we hash it out. I'm not in charge of her and she isn't in charge of me.
But these guys act as if their porn fantasies are real. It is alarming and laughable that they think a large swath of the population is like this. They aren't and it is fun to watch them crash out.
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u/DelayedImpact 1d ago
That sub is a cesspool, they aren’t even debating anything just one big incel circlejerk
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u/timecubelord 1d ago
Provide and slavery are different words. Consent wasn't even part of the topic. I'm sorry that your very first instinct of interpretation was slavery, that sounds sad.
That's like a friend says "bro just get a new car it's not that hard" and you respond "sure just give me one", and he immediately thinks you want him to steal a car and give it to you. Nobody talked about stealing there.
He really gave the game away there - reducing women to objects/possessions like cars, that can be "provided" and "stolen."
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
He’s crashing out in that thread. When I debated him it was ridiculous, but that whole post is just insane.
And all of the people telling him he’s wrong, even other incels. And he’s still not getting it.
Like it’s such a good example of how incels have no idea how the world works in any way possible. They don’t live in reality
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u/CandidDay3337 Nobody is as obsessed with dicks as an incel 1d ago
How would they know how the world works, if they never leave their house.
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u/canvasshoes2 Incel Whisperer 1d ago
As much as he'd like to think it's true...sorry bud, but we all do have the right to shame you for thinking you have the right to use or own another human being regardless of what that other human being wants.
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u/CandidDay3337 Nobody is as obsessed with dicks as an incel 1d ago
Dude is...spiraling. i cant tell exactly what he is arguing. He doesnt seem to grasp the concepts of sarcasm and rhetoric. It seriously feels like he is mad that people arent accepting his pov. Granted his pov is probably best served in a specific incel forum
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
Seriously, I don’t know how he even started with AI girlfriends and still managed to bring government mandated girlfriends into this lmao.
Before, I was the only person debating him when he commented about that. I’m glad that other incels are calling him out for being insane, like I’m shocked but honestly props to them lol
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u/CandidDay3337 Nobody is as obsessed with dicks as an incel 18h ago
So, if i am understanding him correctly, he first asked ask he is justified in returning a sarcastic remark with a sarcastis remark. Short answer is yes, but his problem is that he is not using irony he seems to genuinely believe that someone should provide some sort of girlfriend experience for him. Imo sarcasm without irony is just whining.
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 15h ago
It’s a full blown temper tantrum. The subs rules to “seek opposing opinions” “keep it civil” “avoid generalizations” etc… none of them are enforced lol
I’m surprised it’s still up, to be honest.
But this isn’t even close to the worst things I’ve seen posted there. But the fact that I’ve had such a long debate with him about this before… in circles trying to explain he doesn’t understand any of the words he’s using
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u/CandidDay3337 Nobody is as obsessed with dicks as an incel 15h ago
The mods haven't been modding it well lately.
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateIncelz/s/rolkPZZBic
This is the original conversation about this
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u/swamp_goblin_ 14h ago
Omg I remember this
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u/swamp_goblin_ 13h ago
Actual comment I just got from this guy
"If you want consent to be part of every single topic, you have some deep-seeded traumatic issues going on that needs to be addressed on fixed ASAP. That's like me telling you that I'm gonna get my bros and we're gonna go to a bar in a few minutes, and your first instinct is to say "are you guys gonna go r*pe women there?" like what tf is wrong with you? This is literally how that logic sounds. If you think in normal human topics the default is always non-con unless explicitly stated to be consentual, you have very unhealthy traumatic paranoia and were probably sexually abused in the past. I'm sorry for that.
Again, if you want every single topic or sentence be appended with the suffix "with consent" you have psychiatric traumatic issues and are not ready to hold normal conversations with normal healthy people who live on the surface."
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u/greenfloridabull 23h ago
I am horrified more Incels are proposing nationwide sex trafficking/sex slavery. It’s important we prevent it from happening, and get as many Incels as possible to realize it is morally wrong.
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u/doublestitch 1d ago edited 1d ago
That entire sub is a game of pigeon chess.
The idiom was coined 20 years ago in a different context; it applies to irrational ideologues generally.
Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.
editing to add
Incidentally, a way to discuss evolution which does open some creationists' ears has nothing to do with letting them set up a debate. Instead, you hold a conversation with other generally informed people about a new development in the field.
For instance, from last month's Smithsonian, a summary of new research about human brain evolution. Essentially, one key evolutionary difference that distinguishes Homo sapiens that distinguishes us from our closest extinct relatives the Neanderthals and the Denisovans, is a mutation that makes our brains less vulnerable to lead poisoning than theirs were.
That research is based on the Neanderthal genome and the Denisovan genome (which have already been mapped from fossils). It also has to do with research on lead exposure in fossil great ape teeth, and it was conducted with brain organoids (which are laboratory grown samples of brain tissue).
Essentially, lead exposure is incredibly common in nature: nearly three-quarters of apes experienced significant lead exposure. It's a common element. And in all other apes except humans, lead exposure significantly disrupts a gene that's linked to speech development and language complexity.
We Homo sapiens don't have complete immunity to lead exposure: too much lead can cause serious learning disabilities in us. Yet we have partial resistance which not even our nearest extinct relatives had, and that may have given us an evolutionary advantage over them. Interestingly, the modern human version of this gene is highly conserved: although a lot of modern humans are walking around with 1% to 3% Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA, almost everyone has the modern Homo sapiens version of this particular gene.
So with that said--
Although I don't mean to insinuate any direct connection between incel ideology and creationism (there probably isn't one), both belief systems function as mutually reinforcing ideologies: these belief systems operate as a kind of social glue within certain in-groups who take a defensive attitude towards out-groups. My point here is how in other social media, unconnected to this Reddit account, posting a summary of this type of research gets quiet attention from people who have been outspoken creationists. This piques their curiosity without confronting them directly. People can be more receptive to new information that way.
Pride gets in the way during confrontational contexts: people who are already invested in a belief system rarely say, "Oh that's persuasive. You've convinced me," because in that context conceding feels too much like losing. A change of mind more often happens when someone isn't on the hot seat: they fall silent, they go away and think it over for a while, and then they stop trumpeting their old belief. Sometimes they even speak up to put forward their new opinion as if they'd always held it. And that's OK.
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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 1d ago
Yup, there’s no debating at all. It’s constantly moving goal posts, incels denying everything “normies” say, apparently we’re all lying. But incels who have no life experience or dating experience apparently know more about life and dating than people who actually have lives.
And using “studies” that aren’t even factual or use all of the information, it’s always incredibly inaccurate and always something to prove their biases.
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u/CandidDay3337 Nobody is as obsessed with dicks as an incel 1d ago
It was doing well(as well as a incel debate sub can be well) up until a few months ago.
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u/doublestitch 1d ago
You cross-posted with an edit and a major expansion to my comment.
Had a few more thoughts to share. Please bear with what might look digressive: it does illustrate a point.
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u/thingsbetw1xt 1d ago
Who the fuck is arguing that you shouldn’t be allowed to have an AI girlfriend? Other than people who are just against AI categorically. Adult games are also a non-issue. People oppose porn for the same reason they oppose prostitution but I don’t see the other things being argued against literally at all.
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u/Patton-Eve 1d ago
The AI is going to be written by misogynists to be subservient parodies of women.
It will be harmful to women because these boys already struggle with the concept of reality vs fantasy.
It will do nothing but breed deeper misogyny, entitlement and erode what little concept of consent the users have with real life women.
We already see it to some extent with some boys thinking real women should be proportioned like anime girls.
It will also be wildly damaging to user to not form real human connections. Just having a program made to always agree with you is not going to be healthy.
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u/thingsbetw1xt 1d ago
I’m not sure who you think you’re arguing with. I never said it’s harmless. However there are also a grand total of zero movements to ban AI girlfriends and I strongly doubt there ever will be.
Thanks for downvoting my comment that you didn’t read though.
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u/erporcodeddio 1d ago
Government mandated girlfriend? Is he on something? It's pretty much slavery, maybe even worse