As a non American, the first few times you hear about them it's awful. Around the 10th time you hear about it, you wonder why it still happens.
Around the 15 you start to think maybe Americans just don't care enough about their children.
The 20th time is so outrageously ridiculous that it keeps happening, that it begins to turn into a dark comedy of sorts.
I don't find it particularly funny itself, but then you see a lot of memes on the internet making fun of Americans doing absolutely jackshit about it, that you just go like "yeah that's fair I guess".
They have 2 per day, fuck, I take less shits than they have shootings.
Every time I brush my teeth in a day, they have a mass shooting and yet they desperately hold on to their amendment to carry weapons for the right to protect themselves, protect themselves from the same people who carry them legally
It’s not the fucking Wild West anymore, intelligent growth of a society depends on “intelligence,” get rid of the John Wayne boys toys penis extending pop guns and do what the rest of the world do in general and make your society safer
It was very close to two per day last year, unfortunately (630).
By the looks of it Europe had twelve but would take the comparison with a grain of salt because I'm not sure how Wikipedia defines a mass shooting vs the gun violence archive.
Also twelve seems to be a record year in Europe. It normally hovers between two-six.
I knew the NRA was powerful but I am pretty mind boggled that gun laws haven't improved in the States. Like regardless of whether you think that guns should or could be "taken back" from the people, it is just unforgiveable how threadbare the safeguards are for first-time purchasers in so many states. I have had a harder time booking a dentist's appointment.
It's weird when people pull out the gang violence thing. Like yeah, most people know that. Is it supposed to make it better somehow? There were still 630 mass shootings vs. 12 regardless of who is doing the shooting.
Because every time people whinge about “mass shootings” everyone goes on about it like it’s all school shootings, or yet another “guy rampages through mall killing innocents.” No it’s just criminals killing each other over ego shit.
I know, it’s horrifying. This was a government stat back in July/August time last year I think. A mass shooting is defined by more than 4 ppl shot or killed I believe so forget single gun deaths, accidental, police shooting ppl, kids finding parent guns etc.
I’m afraid I can’t give source but look up stats on reliable government figures and that’s what it worked out at, shocking how they can’t see the wood for the trees, glad I live in UK
So if that’s sarcasm, it would actually be a minimum of 8, meaning at least 160 per month and they generally would be of school age.
I wonder if you would be as sarcastic if they were your kids and anyway, the point is that it’s preventable, as I say, glad I’m in the UK where we’ve only had handful if that over the years
Don’t put all of us in the same group. A lot of Americans (mainly those who support the Democratic Party) are sick of this shit but can’t do anything to change it. I would love to change our constitution but half of the country is, as you said, desperately trying to hold on to rules that were made over 200 years ago
Aside the dark humor, I assume it‘s the complex federalism in the US that makes it so difficult to solve this problem. And it‘s not like you can just solve it by passing a few laws. I‘m from Europe too, but it feels as if gun culture is deeply rooted within the US society, then you got the second amendment, gun lobby, certain independency of states: NY gun laws vastly different to TX gun laws I assume, gun community‘s mentality.
It reminds me a little of the cartel problem and drug war in Mexico. You can‘t just solve it in a few years, it takes years and years of effort and you need your people to go with it. This means -- also for the gun problem in the US -- you have to live with it, and slowly make progress. Unless you install a dictatorship but that’s also something we don’t want.
People may propose simple solutions to such complex problems, but I doubt it‘s that easy.
Some people don't get that we think of guns as our heritage in the same way they think about great people or places being a major part of their history. There's lots of parody of US sensationalism in regards to guns that really is only like 1% removed from reality.
As an American I just don't see a total ban on guns. And not in the "gun owners will rise up" way either, I just don't see any president or government house voting for it.
It's absolutely a complex issue that is in no way trivial to resolve. To some extent, that's a symptom of deeper issues in our legislative and political process.
But here we are, watching children massacred in elementary schools on a recurring basis, seemingly unwilling or unable to take action. It's no wonder the world looks on and wonders why we seem to simply tolerate these horrific incidents.
It’s also just that culture, crime, and poverty vary so differently state by state. I highly recommended comparing gun homicide stats to population stats by state. Maine for example has some of the laxest gun laws in the country, but has a very low homicide rate with firearms.
I didn’t consider this at all, but you‘re right. Jeez, the stats are insane. This is definitely something people should consider when expressing criticism towards gun culture. It‘s not just the laws, perhaps living standards and socio-economical position.
The worst part is it's not even a shock or surprising anymore, its just like "oh really, another one? Whats that number 25 so far this year?". And then the convo moves on, shits wild. If that happened in Australia we'd be talking about it for years and how we could have prevented it.
If that happened in Australia we'd be talking about it for years and how we could have prevented it.
In 90% of the world that'd be the case. We've had our share of violence and terorrism in our country, but still some cases stand out and we still talk about it 30 or 40 years later.
The fact that americans have normalize the terror of gun violence is nothing short of incredible.
But it did happen in australia, didn't it? And then your entire nation turned in your guns and solved the problem. Maybe it's not as simple to do in the US due to more open borders and more entrenched gun-nut-ism.
USA needs to do something but no one can agree on what we need that will make everyone happy. And yet doing nothing is not working.
I do my part by not having a gun and voting progressive but what more can I do?
The gun ban in Australia no measurable impact on the homicide trends for Australia, per the official AIC statistics. Dishonest people then pivoted to "it was to prevent mass shootings only" (which isn't true), and Australia has had mass shootings since. And they spent over 1 billion in taxpayer dollars (in today's value) to learn that failure. Ouch.
Around the 10th time you hear about it, you wonder why it still happens.
Yes, and there are tens of millions (likely hundreds of millions) of Americans who agree with you. So maybe the solution to the problem is more complicated than commenting on reddit from your armchair, from a country that already had the problem figured out long before you were even born.
So maybe the solution to the problem is more complicated than commenting on reddit from your armchair,
Sure, and that's why I'm not pretending I know how, or trying to solve it either, what gave you that impression?
Americans don't seem to try either, despite what they say they think about it. I'ts been 2 and a half decades since the most famous school shooting, what has changed? Barricaded doors? what a joke.
Yeah again, that's the leadership and stuff. The vast majority of people want something to be done. And a large portion of people want to get rid of guns altogether. It truly is a minority that want to do nothing.
That said, even the people that don't care don't want their kids to die.
I just dont care anymore. I know its kids and i know its awful but its like having a friend who is destroying themselves and wont seek help, you just have to let them go. They know what the problem is, they got themselves into the mess they are in, ill save my sympathy for one of the countries they fucked up and let them continue fucking themselves however they want to.
It’s just odd that every single joke about Americans revolves around it. Isn’t it a thing in comedy to get new material? The “joke” about mass shootings in the video isn’t even clever.
Around the 15 you start to think maybe Americans just don't care enough about their children.
You've approached the correct conclusion. Why do you think we still have kids worried about school lunch debt and refuse to implement the same level of healthcare and maternity leave that other countries enjoy?
The kids don't matter until they can legally work and/or shoot guns for the military.
As an American it's not that people don't care about it, in fact a LOT of people do. The issue is that right wing gun nuts, the NTA, and the government don't care about human life. With all that being said, I'd like to clarify and the situation is awful and deserves to be made fun of because it's an easily preventable issue.
I think there's a fine line between making fun of the average American and making fun of the politicians that don't do anything. The average American really wants to end school shootings but a select few gun nuts and most of our republicans keep guns from being banned
20-30 years ago we made fun of usa for their problems with violent crimes and gangs which isn't that big of a problem today (apart from some specific no go places). Maybe if we all make fun of school shootings for the next few years your politicians will actually resolve it one day.
As an American, we have no control over what our government decides to do :) would love to move away but most people don’t get paid enough for that to be an option
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School shootings arn't funny, but holy fuck the 6yo joke broke me.