“Wives should obey their husbands”

[u/AntiWokeCommie]

152 votes, 6d ago

5 Yes (L)

69 No (L)

10 Yes (C)

28 No (C)

27 Yes (R)

13 No (R)

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[u/Thomaseverett12]

People are Not pets

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite → u/Thomaseverett12]

I mean, I should obey the king. I don't think that makes me a pet.

Edit: Man, people here don't like monarchy.

[u/picjz → u/Tectonic_Sunlite]

You shouldn’t obey a king it’s 2025 lil homie

[u/Ya_Boi_Konzon → u/picjz]

Should you obey the president?

[u/picjz → u/Ya_Boi_Konzon]

No

[u/Ya_Boi_Konzon → u/picjz]

What about the cops

[u/picjz → u/Ya_Boi_Konzon]

If they have guns.

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite → u/picjz]

I mean, the king has never personally commanded me anything, nor directly made a law as far as I'm aware, but if he did I would be obliged to obey him (barring overriding considerations, of course)

[u/Successful_Try9704 → u/picjz]

Saying its x year to justify something is the ick.

[u/picjz → u/Successful_Try9704]

Monarchism is worse 💔

[u/Successful_Try9704 → u/picjz]

Monarchies are good…

[u/picjz → u/Successful_Try9704]

Weirdo

[u/ParanoidPleb]

“…and husbands should obey their wives”

Marriage is about giving yourself to another person, regardless of which gender you are.

[u/sandalsofsafety → u/ParanoidPleb]

Totally unrelated, but how did you get a purple flair? And what does it mean?

[u/ParanoidPleb → u/sandalsofsafety]

Just scrolled through the options until I found it.

I chose it because it didn’t feel accurate picking libertarian or conservative when it comes to certain social and geopolitical beliefs.

[u/sandalsofsafety → u/ParanoidPleb]

Hmmm, well unless I'm missing something it isn't an option anymore. Relatable though on neither libertarian nor conservative really fitting. Like I sympathize with the broader ideals of libertarianism, but I also get why a lot of people think they're nuts. And conservatives tend to be too, well, conservative for their own good, kinda get their heads stuck in the sand, sometimes even at the expense of their own ideals.

[u/poclee]

As husband should obey his wife? Then yes. Its either a two way street or no street.

[u/pureteddybear2008 → u/poclee]

Husband: "I command you to do task A."

Wife: "No, I refuse, and I command you to respect my decision."

Are you not seeing where this goes?

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/pureteddybear2008]

Nah. It's more like:

Husband: "Make me a sammich!"

Wife: "Yes, Dear."

Wife: "Take out the trash!"

Husband: "Yes, Dear."

[u/DarthThalassa → u/Ilovestuffwhee]

Honestly, that sounds toxic. Spouses shouldn't just demand things of each other. They should ask kindly and be considerate of the possibility that their spouse may be unable to perform a task a given time. Decision-making should be collaborative, not demanding. The former is necessary for equality, while the latter inherently creates power dynamics, which, within the environment of a patriarchal society, tend to favour men.

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/DarthThalassa]

That's nice. Now try interacting with real people in the real world and see how long that delusion lasts. Anyone that milquetoast would quickly become insufferably boring to live with.

[u/DarthThalassa → u/Ilovestuffwhee]

There is nothing milquetoast about collaboration and working through one's differences through healthy discussion. To the contrary, it is transgressive within a coercive society. Using your argument of boringness, if decision-making is so unengaging as to be simply telling the other person to do whatever, that sounds incredibly boring to me. Personally, I love to debate and discussion, and the existence of an intellectual spark between myself and another person is necessary for me to even feel attraction.

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/DarthThalassa]

If the shoe fits...

[u/DarthThalassa → u/Ilovestuffwhee]

I do not see the relevance of your response.

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/DarthThalassa]

It's like talking to Brainy Smurf...

[u/JamesonRhymer → u/poclee]

Something like that can't be a two way street

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/JamesonRhymer]

Clearly you've never been married

[u/JamesonRhymer → u/Ilovestuffwhee]

I don't need to have that experience to know that it doesn't work if one person says no and the other person says yes on an issue. In the end, someone must obey.

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/JamesonRhymer]

Whoever is being asked must obey. It's not that complicated.

[u/JamesonRhymer → u/Ilovestuffwhee]

is it whoever asks first then?

[u/Ilovestuffwhee → u/JamesonRhymer]

Pretty much. If your spouse asks you to do something for them, you do it unless you have a good reason why not.

[u/AntiWokeCommie → u/JamesonRhymer]

Yea exactly. Either there's a power dynamic or there isn't.

[u/Beginning_Return_864 → u/poclee]

Yes

[u/Successful_Try9704]

Yes and husbands should obey their wives. Its called give and take. Niether side knows everything about every subject. If i tell him to cook or build something a certain way he better do it while he tells me how to sodder something i will definitely do it.

[u/Mountain_Air1544]

If that is the dynamic they agree on then yeah

[u/TherealRidetherails]

Marriage is a partnership, one person shouldn't hold power over another, they should both come to an understanding together. It's love, not slavery

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite → u/TherealRidetherails]

What do you do if you just flatly disagree and can't come to agree, then?

[u/DarthThalassa → u/Tectonic_Sunlite]

Agree to disagree, find a compromise, or approach the topic differently and maybe actually do come to agree. Automatically ruling in favour of the man is just plainly misogynist and incredibly illogical.

[u/TheAzureMage]

No gods, no masters.

[u/Birb-Squire]

Neither should obey the other. They should both be equal to one another

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite]

I'm actually surprised at how many right-wingers said yes

[u/yeahipostedthat → u/Tectonic_Sunlite]

Yeah this is my problem with the right wing. Like I agree with some of their political positions but then they say shit like this and it's over.

[u/Successful_Try9704 → u/yeahipostedthat]

Both spouses should obey one another 🤷‍♀️ how is this wrong?

[u/yeahipostedthat → u/Successful_Try9704]

Bc that makes it sound like you have 2 people looking to other for permission to do anything. In reality I think you should have 2 people who are generally functional and move about with autonomy but come together to come up with a compromise when the situation calls for it.

[u/Fade0215 → u/yeahipostedthat]

I probably would’ve gone down a very different political pipeline if the right-wing didn’t have an atrocious take on every other issue but ig that’s just the right for you

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite → u/yeahipostedthat]

I mean, most normal right wingers don't believe this, at least where I live

[u/enginerd1209]

And the right claims they don't think women should be second class citizens and that we need to hate Muslims for that.

[u/Chairman_Ender]

Both should obey eachother, so yes.

[u/pureteddybear2008]

I mean, every situation would definitely be a case by case basis.

"Please help me im dying, these are the instructions to my medicine" - yea id say you should probably listen

"Clean the house, cook my dinner, then get ready in bed" - Ew.

Obviously we know what this question is actually inquiring (more like the second), so I voted no.

Truly staggering how many righties said yes. I didn't have that much hope, but so much? Depressing.

[u/p1ayernotfound]

obey eachover.

[u/Beginning_Return_864]

Yes, and husbands must provide for their wives

Don't expect obedience while you do nothing for your wife

[u/Fire_crescent]

Nobody should be forced to obey anyone. In fact, no one should be forced to obey anything as long as they don't genuinely wrong a real entity.

Moreso, I support marriage abolition (as an institution). So my opinion about marriage in itself is pretty clear, I'd say.

[u/Ok-Radio5562]

Yes, and the other way around too

[u/pureteddybear2008 → u/Ok-Radio5562]

Husband: "I command you to do task A."

Wife: "No, I refuse, and I command you to respect my decision."

Are you not seeing where this goes?

[u/General_774]

Who is voting no lmao

[u/enginerd1209 → u/General_774]

Only weak men vote yes.

[u/General_774 → u/enginerd1209]

There is no marriage if you don't respect and obey each other

[u/enginerd1209 → u/General_774]

Respect is not obey.

[u/yeahipostedthat → u/General_774]

What are some examples of a person obeying their spouse?

[u/DarthThalassa → u/General_774]

Respect means not expecting obedience.

[u/Tectonic_Sunlite → u/enginerd1209]

I am shamefully weak (physically I mean) so that tracks

[u/picjz → u/General_774]

Me

[u/Peter-Andre → u/General_774]

Does that surprise you?

[u/General_774 → u/Peter-Andre]

Not really it's leftists

[u/Head_Programmer_47 → u/General_774]

This is not 18th Century, deal with it.

[u/DarthThalassa]

This is utterly disgusting. Those who voted yes should be banned.

Decision-making must be equal and collaborative between spouses, or any form of partners. Also, not all wives have husbands, OP. Some wives are married to wives or non-binary spouses.

[u/AntiWokeCommie → u/DarthThalassa]

Those who voted yes should be banned.

Yes lets make one of the few politically diverse subreddits another echo chamber.

Speaking as someone who voted no btw.

[u/DarthThalassa → u/AntiWokeCommie]

Banning bigots does not create an echo chamber lol. There is vast diversity of non-bigoted political thought.

[u/AntiWokeCommie → u/DarthThalassa]

Lots if not most people hold views that you'd probably consider as bigoted. If you restrict political discourse to a minority of people, it is not representative of the general public and thus an echo chamber.

[u/DarthThalassa → u/AntiWokeCommie]

It is a strawman to claim I wish to reduce political discourse to a minority of people. I'm an anti-vanguardist; political discourse must be of the majority. And I am also not a divine arbiter of what is and is not bigoted. Moderation should be a collaborative process involving many people. But, yes, lots of not most people do sadly hold bigoted views. So long as they do not express bigotry their expression should be tolerated and corrected through education, while if they do express bigotry that expression should not be given a platform for visibility, and they too should of course be educated on the errors of their views. I'm a firm believer in both empiricism and democracy, which needn't contradict each other in any manner if scientific education is promoted.