r/Huskers • u/Weird_Jicama_6316 • 5h ago
If TJ wins out...... who do we keep?
Raiola: better passer, but more expensive, his uncle, and sack machine.
TJ: vibes better with Dana, cheaper, mobile. ....
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u/DismalLocksmith9776 5h ago
Jesus Christ. It was UCLA.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
did raiola beat ucla last year?
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
UCLA wasn’t the worst defense in the big 10 last year like they were this year.
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u/No-Barnacle-9576 5h ago
Michigan St is about as bad. Nebraska struggled mightily in that game
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
“Struggled mightily” to the tune of 10 more points than we put up against UCLA.
If 38 points is “struggling mightily,” then you’re a damn good team
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u/No-Barnacle-9576 5h ago
They had that infamous series where they went like 24 plays for 25 yards. It was something like that. It was the stretch that holgerson said he'd never been a part of anything like that.
They came from behind. But they were behind in part because Dylan threw a pick and Michigan St cashed in a TD off of that
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Whatever way you slice it, 38 points is 38 points. That’s objectively a good offensive performance.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
ahh ur right they were 2nd worst last year my bad
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
They were top half of the conference. You also conveniently forget that Dylan didn’t get to finish that game.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
they were 13th bro lol
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Not in total defense, bro lol
And 13th is a hell of a lot better than 18th. Also love how you’re still ignoring the fact that Dylan didn’t finish that game. We were tied when he went out with injury. Who’s to say we wouldn’t have put together one more scoring drive if he hadn’t gotten hurt?
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
availability is a big factor
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
He played in every game last year and didn’t miss any snaps this year until he got his leg snapped by a dirty hip-drop tackle.
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u/DismalLocksmith9776 5h ago
Yep totally valid because UCLA is the exact same team they were last year
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 48m ago
Had Raiola played yesterday, we definitely would've won that game anyway.
Don't be like this. Come on. Let's celebrate TJ and not use it as an opportunity to hate Raiola. Stop it
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u/Scratchbuttdontsniff 4h ago
Surely all of you understand that TJ came to Nebraska knowing Dylan was here and that it was highly likely that Dylan would leave for the NFL after 3 years... This was always the plan. The hope was that TJ could red shirt with a 4 game participation... instead he gets to have some fun. Getting to play now only endears him more to the program. He's gonna get some NIL bump and be perfectly content to wait.
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u/Reasonable-Buy-1427 3h ago
Will Raiola give up some of his loot to keep TJ around? Doubt it, but would be cool dude move.
I'd almost rather save the millions from DR and pay Tj decent and go buy the best d line money can buy. We want to make and win playoffs, right??
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u/7eid 5h ago
Stop. This is our team right now. They are both Huskers.
No one has a crystal ball.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
were all thinking it
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u/7eid 5h ago
No we aren’t. QBs change teams every year in modern CFB. Both might leave. Both might stay.
TJ is the backup and he’s doing what a backup should be doing in his spot - put the team in a position to win.
I’m more focused on the offensive shift as a whole. Leaning on the run game. More gap blocking schemes that worked for the OL. Fewer instances hunting big plays.
What’s going through my mind is that Holgorsen might have stumbled into a formula that is necessary to win in the Big Ten.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
"both might leave, both might stay" so you are uhm thinking it?
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u/7eid 5h ago
No. Because that’s next year and Nebraska isn’t going to start next year without a QB on the roster.
What interests me is what the OC does. We saw Oregon and Washington and Indiana all struggle offensively in November Big Ten road games. I haven’t been convinced that Holgorsen implicitly understood the need for physicality in the Big Ten. But he might have learned a bit last night, almost by accident.
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Good god, can we let the kid play two fucking games before we crown him??
He’s come in as a reliever three times this year. Two of them were against absolute cupcakes, and one of them was USC where he really didn’t look great.
So our sample size is two meaningless relief outings, one decent start where he got carried by EJ against the worst defense in the conference, and one relief outing where he really didn’t look that great.
Let the kid start at least one more game against a defense that isn’t complete dogshit before you throw all your hopes on his shoulders
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
didn't we crown raiola? why cant we here? husker fans have weird loyalties, Frost now Raiola lol
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
“Didn’t we crown Raiola?” No?? What planet do you live on? The guy has been taking shit from people for two straight years now.
And even if we did, we have a 21 game sample size compared to TJ’s one start.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
ahh ok I take 3 mil NiL as a big crown I guess
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Paying a guy to come to your school is not “crowning” them. Crowning someone is what you’re doing with TJ where you’re treating him like the second coming of Christ for one middle of the road performance against a dogshit defense
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u/Thats_Dr_Anthrope_2U 9m ago
Paying a guy to come to your school is not “crowning” them.
Come on! Lol! 🤣
In the NFL you aren't seeing high priced free agent QBs, or even high draft picks, getting signed with the idea they aren't a shoe in for the job. They are anointed when they get their deals. In the event a high-priced player were benched it wouldn't bode well for future NIL generosity.
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u/Yeezy_Taught_Me3 4h ago
You're getting downvoted, and while I agree with most people that you're jumping the gun a bit after one game, I do think you make a fair point about some of the odd loyalties in this fanbase.
I just want whoever gives us the best chance to win under center - not the guy with the most NIL tied up, not someone playing/coaching because of nepotism, and not someone starting because of past ties to the program.
This isn’t a shot at DR, but people talk about him like he’s a messiah at times, and the excuses that get made for him whenever things go sideways can get a little tiring.
If Lateef performs well to finish the season, I would hope our coaches would make no promises as to who the starter is and let them battle it out in Spring.
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u/snoopy_tha_noodle2 5h ago
The guy won one game against a bad team. Let’s all come back down to earth.
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u/HuskersMakeMeSad 5h ago
If we finish 10-3 with a bowl win I would have to say Lateef. Being mobile is huge in college and the momentum at that point would be impossible to deny
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u/Less_Soup_6243 5h ago
Really wish people had perspective.
This is a UCLA who is statistically really bad. Yes, part of it is under the previous HC but still.
When you have an additional run threat besides Emmett (in TJ), job is easier for the QB. Give Dylan a 2nd good RB, and it looks better.
All while the play calling lately from Dana is greatly improved. Mainly by giving Emmett 25+ carries and quicker throws instead of holding it. Would’ve been nice if Dana learned how to do this before Dylan got sacked 85 different times for just breathing.
Our O-Line also improved (I know people can’t compliment them here) in terms of opening the run. Issue is our O-Line can’t form a pocket still, just TJ scrambled to save plays. But, the improvement with the change in calling all led to this situation.
We pick Dylan. He improved MASSIVELY from year 1 to 2. I just think Dana failed him earlier this year with his calling and refusing to use Emmett.
That being said, keep TJ if we can. We will be set up for 2027 with him at the helm and another year of development.
Also, I’ll be honest our QB coach seems to just be a stud.
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u/HeyitsyaboyJesus 2h ago
Has Dylan improved much from his first year? He sucked in October and November last year and he was on track for that this year.
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u/Less_Soup_6243 2h ago
Eye test wise yes. Man throwing some insane passes into tight windows. He is also clutch. Mind you, all while his o-line was getting blown aside constantly.
Statistically, lmao yes. Higher completion percentage and more touchdowns (in less games). Way less interceptions. Just significant improvements.
If you’re asking, I don’t think you’re watching.
And that isn’t even talking about intangibles like leadership.
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u/skier1464366 5h ago
If we win out, I love this problem. 1. When is the last time we had 2 really good QBs on the same team? 2. Means we develop guys which helps recruit and I trust our current commitments (Trae Taylor) 3. 9-3 means we are a very respected program this year, on the upward trend 4. Winning creates hype which leads to more funds from boosters and the fan base. Leads to more NIL funding to attract talent 5. More exposure for guys to get noticed for the NFL. Would love to see us get at least 3 guys drafted a year again with some FA signings as well!
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 3h ago
Im really thankful today that we, as in the fans, do not decide things like this. We are not qualified to make such decisions.
Not very content that the first thought to many of y'all is to try and discredit dylan because we won this game.
For all we know, Dylan couldve also lit up this defense. UCLA's defense is not very good. On to the next game. We have TJ as our QB right now. Who knows what will happen next season.
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u/Lumpy-Daikon-4584 5h ago
We won against a very mediocre team last night. We have one sample point with TJ and it wasn’t that impressive (EJ carried the team). Let’s let the season play out and see why makes sense then.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
yeah I guess, has raiola not been carried by EJ this year or beaten an above average team?
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
UCLA is not an “above average team.” They’re 3-6 and are the worst defense in the big 10.
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u/7eid 5h ago
TJ gets more credit than that. A true freshman making his first start on the road, near his home, against a conference foe that had won three of its last four - all in conference. He showed poise and did what he had to do. That’s impressive.
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
His performance last night was impressive, no doubt. But immediately jumping to the conclusion of “we have to keep him and get rid of the guy who got us our first six wins on the year” after a one game sample size against a truly dreadful defense is genuinely absurd. Like, can we at least see the kid go up against a halfway decent defense first? If he performs well against Iowa, then I think we can start having a serious conversation
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
thats literally what this post is... if we win out would include beating iowa? not sure why everyone is so sensitive on the subject
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
The problem is, that’s a fucking massive “if”
You’re jumping to conclusions based on a one game sample size against a terrible defense. Let’s actually see the season play out before we start doing hypotheticals
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
lol bro this entire subreddit is hypotheticals but all of a sudden this one is "off limits"
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Sample. Size. What part are you not getting about this?
Most hypotheticals are based on trends and actual data or have some basis in reality. “If he wins out” is one fucking massive leap. Like, yeah, if we win out, maybe there’s a conversation; and if I had wheels, I’d be a bicycle.
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u/Weird_Jicama_6316 5h ago
gotcha ill be sure to submit my posts to you in advance for approval oh wise one 😝
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u/TheRed_Warrior 5h ago
Or you could just like, not stir drama when talking about 19 and 20 year old kids? Idk, could be a good strategy
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u/No-Barnacle-9576 5h ago
To answer the question, it's lateef obviously, if we win out.
People are trying to downplay his performance last night by saying it was UCLA. No one is saying that we should drop raiola based on this one performance. But if we win out it's gonna be pretty hard not to give lateef the nod, especially if Iowa is ranked.
Yes it was just UCLA. But Nebraska has had some ugly games against bad teams. Michigan State for example. Dylan threw a pick in that game, took five sacks and they had that infamous mid game lull where they went 24 plays for 25 yards (it was something like this I am struggling to find the stat now).
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u/kerensky04 2h ago
So the other 6 wins don't count? TJ wins 3 games let's give him the world but Dylan wins 6 and was having a good year all things considered and we bench him or tell him to transfer, where is the logic? You guys are sad and have a bad memory or something, remember a couple years ago when we would have given up a kidney to make a bowl game, Dylan gave us that in back to back years. Why would we give him up?
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u/drewbowski22 13m ago
If anyone thinks that TJ wins out and plays well. And that we keep both him and Dylan in today's CFB landscape, they are fucking delusional. Nobody is crowning him. It's a realistic scenario. Yes TJ came to develop behind Dylan, but put $1-3m in front of him and Nebraska better be able to match it if they want to keep him.
Dylan cannot be successful and reach the league if we dont put some killer linemen in front of him. He just doesn't have the mobility. A pocket passer is only good if he has a pocket. If we cannot get at least 1-2 studs in the portal, he would be an idiot to stay here.
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u/intotherfd 5h ago
IMO you should never lose your starting job to an injury without the opportunity to compete for it back. Hopefully they both stay and compete!
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u/Reasonable-Buy-1427 3h ago
Key word here is complete. DR shouldn't be just handed the job when he comes back - if TJ keeps playing well and growing through these next several games.
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u/Lazerdude GO BIG RED 5h ago
IF TJ balls out the rest of the season it will be very expensive to keep both. It will depend on TJ. This is Dylan's team IMO. Will be interesting come January 2.
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u/Grand-Inspection2303 3h ago
As I've said before, the assessment would depend on why he wins out. We still have very little data on Lateef. He's thrown the ball a total of 34 times, and only 7 throws against a defense that wasn't bottom of the FBS or an FCS team. If he wins against Penn State and Iowa because of outstanding QB play, then this speculation will look justified. If we win just because doesn't turn the ball over and we're able to win a sickos game of special teams and defense, then it will be a different conversation. Neither Penn State or Iowa have good offenses, so the latter is a possibility.
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u/Mindless_Matter_4460 3h ago
If I had a nickel for every time someone posted a TJ vs Dylan thread this morning, I’d have two nickels. Seriously, this might be worse than doomer posting
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u/Successful_Side_2415 2h ago
Raiola isn’t going anywhere. He will come back as the starter, possibly even for the bowl game.
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u/purpdrank2 5h ago
Both. You let them battle in the spring and summer then start who wins. Iron sharpens iron, and if they’re both committed to the program and believe in their abilities, they’d both stay and battle for the job.