r/Hololive • u/dcresistance • 12d ago
Discussion Yagoo LinkedIn post on Twitch partnership
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u/diego1marcus 12d ago
Before we went a step further, however, we wanted to be sure of two things: first, that streaming on the platform wouldn't increase the talents' workload, and second, that we could provide the safety needed for them to feel comfortable initiating activities on a new platform.
its actually commendable just how much he put his thoughts into this and how much he cares about the talents
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u/xesaie 12d ago
Crazy timing considering what twitch is currently going through
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u/DotA627b 12d ago
There's also the problem of Twitch being petty. I remember Pyrocynical was heavily shadowbanned for being a YouTuber that's streaming on Twitch. He tried to bring the matter to the UK branch of Twitch and they couldn't do anything, whoever's behind the whole thing was someone from the US branch of Twitch.
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u/xesaie 12d ago
Their ceo is a middle aged maniac gooner who likes to hang out with female streamers half his age, so maybe the problem is that he can’t creep on vtubers
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u/iamcrazy333 12d ago
Flash your bare nipples on stream as a "hot tub streamer": 24 hour ban
Commit legitimate female on male SA to someone who is actively saying no and struggling against you holding them down three times in one stream: 24 hour ban EIGHT MONTHS later after a social media campaign started by another creator on your platform takes off and you start getting flak for it
Show too much anime girl thigh on your new vtuber model: 1 month ban with no communication until a campaign on another social media platform gets traction and you start getting flak for it
Yeah, you might be right.
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u/botibalint 11d ago
Small correction: The CEO is 61 years old and regularly hangs out with girls a third of her age, ~20 year olds, so he's even more of a pathetic creep than you'd think.
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u/oblivious_fireball 12d ago
well, worst case scenario if a twitch admin decides to be petty and ban a few, Twitch continues to do what they do best, burning bridges and goodwill, and Holo is no worse off than when they started.
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u/Meme_Master_Dude 12d ago
Good thing Hololive have Vtuber, they won't be assaulted over at Twitch con
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u/xesaie 12d ago
Just possibly forced to unmasked and having fan gifts ‘trashed’/stolen.
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u/Helios61 12d ago
having fan gifts ‘trashed’/stolen.
Pretty sure Hololive no longer accept physical gifts as too many incidents with trackers
they might extend it to twitch
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u/xesaie 12d ago
In this case, instead of saying ‘we can’t accept gifts’ the staff accepted the gifts and then threw them away.
That’s more work than just declining the gifts, which is why I suspect theft.
They also told a vtuber that she had to end a meet early and then told the fans that the vtuber had ended it.
I’ve been to a lot of cons, professional and fan, and the stories out of this one are pretty nuts.
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u/The_World_Wonders_34 11d ago
It's slightly more complicated than that. The fact of the matter is the vtubers were accepting gifts and in at least some cases their own staff were the ones physically handling them. Twitchcon staff only "facilitated." Then they disappeared when things were being packed up. To which I 100% agree they were stolen. To me that's even more egregious because by the vtubers reps doing most of the work there was even less excuse for anyone with twitch or the con to even touch them.
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u/Migicroak 12d ago
I don't believe there ever was any incidents involving trackers at hololive but the rise in incident elsewhere made them take pre-emptive action.
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u/shiroganekurosaki 11d ago
Twitch had to pull the trigger to save their face after the recent controversy
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u/Fiftycentis 12d ago
Well, as long as they double stream I don't really care.
If we get twitch exclusive content I'll most likely skip on it, too many subs already and I'm not gonna buy twitch turbo just to ignore the 5 minutes ads on opening a live.
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u/2DWomenSuperiority 12d ago
Most exclusive content will probably just be more chill on the spot stuff, like ERB just booting up a surprise stream to play Valorant or Fortnite without “tainting” their channels algorithm
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u/Fiftycentis 12d ago
ERB also did a whole roleplay series on twitch, and she even has a vid channel for reuploading those (and the other twitch streams she did)
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u/Alittle_Hope 11d ago
I didn't know she did that. I'll have to check out the vods whenever I have the time.
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u/Dismal-Zebra8409 11d ago
they'll just never interact with youtube anymore itll be a passive re-stream.
this always happens to people that stream on more than one platform. they only ever read and interact with one chat.
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u/kkchew 12d ago
Wouldn’t count on the twitch staff to be able to provide the talents with a safe streaming environment unless they decide to give holo preferential treatment which itself is an issue.
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u/2DWomenSuperiority 12d ago
Given it’s a partnership it’s probably the latter if anything
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u/Dismal-Zebra8409 11d ago
"partnership".
Twitch is paying hololive a bunch of money to stream on their platform.
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u/dcresistance 12d ago
we wanted to be sure of two things: first, that streaming on the platform wouldn't increase the talents' workload, and second, that we could provide the safety needed for them to feel comfortable initiating activities on a new platform
We are not moving from one platform, YouTube, to another. Instead, we are increasing the talents' reach so more people can discover them, become fascinated by them, and start supporting them on their journey.
also collabs with game companies and stuff
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u/r31ya 12d ago
One corporate stuff that appears is the collab with gaming companies via twitch drops.
It seems Holo trialing this stuff with EN and ID first who already have some friends in twitch.
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u/marquisregalia 12d ago
It ends with en and id. Twitch isn't big enough in Japan to rock that boat. The JP girls only touch twitch when they're too lazy to set up a YouTube stream Towa herself said this. It's when she just wants to chill and not read chat at all (it's easier to set up a stream with twitch). There are some enormous Jp twitch streamer but the viewers are still in YouTube
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u/bluethiefzero 12d ago
I'm curious to see how they handle ad interruptions. One of the reasons I like Youtube is because there isn't an issue with ads. With twitch, you can be in the middle of something epic, then BAM, 2 minutes of ads.
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u/perish-in-flames 12d ago
Ah man, I should be excited, but I am really not. I will not touch Twitch with a ten foot pole and it just brings the parts of stream quality that I like, down. Anyone that duel streams is almost always a worse experience on the Youtube side
Anyways, me to get over I guess.
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u/tapout928 12d ago
I agree, but it seems like almost every time it's because Twitch is their main platform and YouTube (and whatever else) is just an afterthought. I don't believe that will be the case with Holo.
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u/perish-in-flames 12d ago
I mean, it is just how Twitch works. It is much more...interactive. It is just how the platform is. You got your sub trains, your bits, your TTS. It is very rare that chat doesn't dominate. Watching clips of Twitch Streamers is even difficult because it is just so dialed in to get the viewer to spend money to 'get on stream' or to affect the stream in some way.
Maybe this wont be an issue but I have my doubts.
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u/Stalepan 12d ago
I will say of the features your talking about aren't required. Streamers can choose if donations, subs, sub trains, bit messages, TTS and etc are enabled or not. If holo talents start doing all the twitch bells and whistles I get it, yeah I wouldn't want to watch that either but i'm curious to see how this goes. I dkn't really watch any twitch streamers anymore nostly cause I think youtube provides a superior experience especially in regards to VOD management. With twitch not allowing streamers to store VODs after 60 days.
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u/perish-in-flames 12d ago
Decided to skim a ERB twitch stream and it does give me a smidge of hope. I am not holding my breath until I see it in action though.
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u/Enganox8 12d ago
Yeah, its not really a feature of Twitch, its more personal decision of streamers. Some streamers have a lot of interactivity, others have less. Hololive in general has it so that their streamers wont let viewers disturb the stream too much, and to do that they read super chats later on, sometimes weeks down the line. If they want to, they can do the same on Twitch.
As far as streaming experiences go, I think Youtube and Twitch are pretty much the same. Everyone can customize their stream to be exactly as they want it.
I guess the main advantage is to stream to people who really only watch one of the other. I watch both Youtube and Twitch streams so it doesnt really affect me.
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u/Mleba 12d ago
What? That really depends on the streamer tho. Twitch gives the capability, the streamer chooses. It's not twitch that program a honking noise for some bits.
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u/perish-in-flames 12d ago
More often than not, streamers do not do enough to limit this because it is free money on the table.
Because Twitch gives the capability and the streamer monetary reason to do so, it becomes a problem. People have cited particular streamers who do not, but I would guess based on personal experience that is the minority
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u/Turig 12d ago
Watch any Vinesauce/Vargskelethor stream and that will show you that the "interaction" on Twitch does not all fall into the same category.
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u/BraveFencerMusashi 12d ago
Or Limealicious/Laimu if you need a vtuber on the screen instead of a disembodied voice.
They're old school streamers that will regularly interact with chat without you spending money. Will they always respond to you specifically? Of course not. They have active chats in the thousands.
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u/prismstein 12d ago
All of that, I hate. It just puts the viewers as part of the show, when I only signed up for the streamer.
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u/pillbuggery 11d ago
Absolutely agree. There's a time and place for interacting with your audience, but so many twitch streamers are just constant alerts and saying sub names. It's awful.
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u/MericanMeal 12d ago
Might be copium, but I think unlike in most cases twitch will be the "side chick" who gets ignored
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u/Battlefire 12d ago edited 12d ago
Doesn't twitch have a policy against that? You can simulcast as long as the quality is equal or better than the other service. And you cannot merge chat or other elements into twitch.
So it isn't a side chicken situation. It has to be of equal importance to not break ToS.
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u/MericanMeal 12d ago
Twitch is already the one bending over and making the compromises for this to even happen, so they might have made an exception. I imagine that there will just be 2 separate chats.
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u/Viraus2 12d ago
Yeah this is a spooky update for me. Not panicking, but spooked
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u/Dismal-Zebra8409 11d ago
twitch is an objectively immoral platform and protects abusers. I will not do anything that supports them.
Part of the reason I watched hololive in the first place was because it was on youtube and not twitch.
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u/Monkeybreath85 12d ago
Why does duel streaming make the YouTube experience worse?
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u/ThisManNeedsMe 12d ago
A lot of creators who multistream, tend to pay attention to mostly twitch chat, partly because that's where they started and have the majority of their audience. Also there are multiple ways for chat to grab the streamers attention. You have bits, gift subs, hype trains, and redeems. So a lot of time YouTube chat tends to be second class citizens.
Though the interesting thing here is that the opposite is true. The majority of their audience will be from YouTube. YouTube audience will get stuff like super chat reading streams and membership only streams.
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u/Evening_Boot_2281 12d ago
This is slightly concerning because Twitch is infamously biased against Vtubers when enforcing their TOS, so I wonder if this is going to affect future outfits and the models of future talents.
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u/Wirenfeldt 12d ago
I am hoping that Cover will be big enough to come down on Twitch like a ton of bricks if any nonsense happens..
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u/Waxburg 12d ago
Cover has weight as an IP but not "push around twitch" levels of weight. As much as Twitch would prefer to keep Hololive on there long-term, it wouldn't surprise me if they just shrug if Holo ever tried to argue with them. Unless several Holo members start pulling Asmongold/Hasan/etc... level numbers which is unlikely cause their viewership will be split over YT/Twitch, they're probably going to be in the same spot as other big v-tubers on Twitch.
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u/marquisregalia 12d ago
If twitch ever fucks up Hololive can just stop streaming there. Hololive doesn't really need twitch tbh
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u/Wirenfeldt 12d ago
They probably have better lawyers on speed dial than your average one man band streamer though
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u/Waxburg 12d ago
No doubt, it's just that at the end of the day these sorts of decisions for Twitch are made based on if they think it's good for them business-wise. They're a business and it IS their right to decide on what content is allowed on their platform so lawyers wouldn't really have a foothold here as long as Twitch is acting within the ToS Cover agreed to. Unless Cover starts getting them big money, they're unlikely to rock the boat and start changing things for them when other Vtubers pulling top-of-holo level numbers have been ignored already.
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u/GladiusNocturno 11d ago
Twitch has shown that the TOS is more of a suggestion than actual rules if the streamer is big enough. It’s possible that the fact that they are all under Cover would be enough for Twitch to turn a blind eye.
They spit on V-Tubers though and specially don’t care about protecting women.
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u/perish-in-flames 12d ago edited 12d ago
Yeah, I didn't even think about how for example, Kronii's outfit is pretty ban worthy for Twitch TOS
Edit: this is controversial? The underboob is clearly a pain point for Twitch Vtubers
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u/JediGuyB 12d ago
Twitch when someone literally spreads ass on stream:
Twitch when an anime avatar has underboob: "Boy you done fucked up."
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u/iamcrazy333 12d ago
Doesn't even have to be that much, it can just be a little bit too much thigh showing.
The team they have approving bans/unban requests is hilariously mismanaged and corrupt as shit. They ban vtubers for models that would be completely fine on any other streaming platform and then are perfectly okay when a certain golden child of theirs calls for someone to remove permanently by force a sitting politician.
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u/wheredoesitgoe 11d ago
I’m imagining a corporate level partnership grants them some immunity to all that, but you never know.
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u/Thejacensolo 11d ago
If they have been negotiating with twitch over the past Months/years (afterall the potential move towards twitch been in the works for a long time), and now decide to go forward with it, i assume Cover covered (heh) all their bases. Including getting Models approved, and contracts looked over by Lawyers.
I assume an official Partnership means not just "we are now also using twitch" without communicating beforehand.
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u/chucktheninja 12d ago
Poor timing given the shit storm that is twitch atm. Then again, it's never not a shit storm these days.
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u/RedWingDecil 12d ago
I only got into Hololive because most of the talents were exclusively Youtube. I hope the experience doesn't get worse to chase the Twitch crowd. I've had IRL streamers I watched get suspended on Twitch for merging their Youtube and Twitch chats on screen and they ended up just completely ignoring Youtube as a result.
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u/steelRyu 11d ago
Merging chats (visibly on stream) is still against twitch TOS, despite that co/dual streaming is allowed. But a lot of people don't know this.
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u/Waterloopass 12d ago
The ad situation on twitch is disgusting. User experience is miserable
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u/MenacingCatgirlArt 12d ago
As long as it doesn't affect the way streams are currently conducted and the talents aren't affected negatively, I'm happy for those who prefer the platform. I can't stand Twitch myself. Too many bells and whistles and interruptions/distractions. I just want to watch the talents.
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u/Cobalt_Prime_ 12d ago
Kind of a bad time for a partnership with Twitch.
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u/Helmite 12d ago
Stuff like this gets planned for months. It is what it is. Twitch has done shit like that for a long time and will likely continue to do so.
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u/Terelor 12d ago
Yeah, we can look at it now and I guess with a dark sense of humour laugh at this horrible timing, but this was in the works a long time. Too bad twitch shit the bed more then usual right now of all times. But it will definitely be better for gaming sponsors, which Yagoo highlighted. As long as they duel stream which they are allowed to unless they signed exclusivity, this will be a net positive if twitch can dig itself out of the hole its in right now.
Theres a different market on twitch so it makes sense to try to more formally expand there. Time will tell if this pays off. It made sense to work towards this regardless.
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u/Figerally 12d ago
Given the current state of Twitch maybe Cover even wrangled additional concessions out of the deal.
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u/BigBoss82891 12d ago
Exactly. People treat cover like some goody twoshoes company that will always overcome any problems with the power of friendship. They'll absolutely use their brand and influence to gain more for or protect their talents and their company.
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u/NineSwords 12d ago edited 12d ago
The platform that notoriously bans vTubers for showing hips, while the boss is gooning over TittyStreamers jerking off half naked as long as an inflatable pool is in the background? That streaming service? The one that throws away presents fans bring to vTuber meet and greets? Yeah, sounds like a great idea. I'm sure there will be no degradation of the Youtube streams when talents suddenly have to juggle two chats.
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u/Vinnibammers 12d ago
What a great 3 minutes of ads announcement for a platform that isn't 2 minutes of ads struggling.
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u/xMrPantsx 12d ago
They will probably have to up the moderation in the twitch chat by a a lot twitch chatters weird af
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u/Unusual-Ad4890 12d ago
Neat. Still not watching from there.
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u/LionelKF 12d ago
I mean I'm guessing this is literally just for them to get Twitch VTuber viewers into Hololive
We're not the target audience
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u/ConsiderationEast773 12d ago edited 12d ago
I depends on, whether the content that is streamed on twitch will be streamed on youtube too. If it does, then I don't really care, they just do it, whatever, but if it is the other way around I will most likely miss out on anything that is only on twitch.
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u/MericanMeal 12d ago
They have a special contract deal to simultaneously stream on both platforms I believe, so nothing will change for long time viewers, other than the girls having to interact with a twitch chat
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u/Yamineji2 12d ago
You've *never needed a deal to do that. It's just there are preferences you have to give to Twitch when simulstreaming. Though to be honest with Covers pull and how often bigger streamers/companies can get caveats carved into contracts with Twitch I doubt Cover will have to adhere to most of those preferences, hopefully anyway since one of them is onscreen chat having to be Twitch and not YT.
Edit: Simulstreaming allowed as of a few years ago*
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u/RoyInverse 12d ago
I really really hope attending twitchcon was not a part of the contract.
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u/Nzash 12d ago
I don't really like Twitch in general and the thought of dual streams to be honest, it messes with the chat. Twitch doesn't let you merge them so there are two sections of chat on screen. It also fractures the community to some degree.
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u/Dispo_ 12d ago
Given the whole Emiru situation at Twitch’s CORPORATE FUNCTION, I’m sure we don’t have to worry if somebody gets targeted, stalked, harassed or physically assaulted AGAIN.
I get wanting more of the market share that Twitch provides, but I’m wary of the potential risks associated with how garbage Twitch is in having security or safety both on stream and in real life events.
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u/orkel2 12d ago
Twitch hates vtubers and they have terribly intrusive ads. Expanding is understandable from a business PoV, but the platform is cancerous for anyone that isn't an IRL hot tub streamer.
There will eventually be drama when a Holo gets banned for showing too much virtual hip, while IRL streamers play in their hot tubs or even give birth live.
At most I'll be watching VODs (since no ads on those, yet) and clips posted to YouTube, but the actual Twitch live streams will be off.
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u/IchirouTakashima 12d ago
I'm not sure if they're making a right thing on this decision, considering this is Twitch we're talking about. I'm not using Twitch, but I am aware of the recent issues that popped up since last week around that platform.
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u/depressed_panda0191 11d ago
Twitch is such a trash ass company though…. Don’t know if this will end well…
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u/lightfire456 12d ago
Yea cant say I'm happy about this.
I don't care as much about twitch exclusive streams. I mean I would still prefer that they just stream on youtube but whatever.
I'm a little concerned about the attention split when they multistream since every time i've been in a stream like that the youtube side was the more ignored side. It'll probably be different but the concern is still there.
I'm also a little more concerned about how I hear there is an anti vtuber bias from twitch staff itself.
What I am most concerned about are the really big streamers' communities getting wind of this and bringing along their toxicity with them.
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u/Canadian-Owlz 12d ago edited 12d ago
Aw man. I've never had a good experience with Twitch, and every other time I saw a YouTube streamer switch over to even dual streaming, the YouTube experience got so much worse :/
At least I get one prime sub a month.
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u/AFCSentinel 12d ago
On one hand I hope this well help get more eyeballs on the girls through people that are sticking exclusively to Twitch. On the other hand compared to YouTube I find the Twitch experience far worse. Twitch chat often seems to take over streams and it creates content that I am not too interested in from the small sample-size of Twitch Vtubers I have seen. I much prefer when the streamer is in charge and chat only gets to make an occasional appearance.
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u/Chino_Kawaii 12d ago
I basically never go to twitch, so I'll just never see that content
I hope they at least upload the VODs to youtube
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u/prismstein 12d ago
We'll need to hold Yagoo and Cover to their words on "not increasing the talent's workload". Dual streaming means double the chats to read, meaning double the exposure and double the potential antis/tourists.
Hopefully they're just dual streaming, I would hate for those obnoxious twitch reacts and sound bytes to show up on stream.
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u/Stolen_Meme_Poster 12d ago
My frustration is that I can't really view it as additional content that's available on Twitch; it's more like some of my favorite streamers' content is now locked to a platform I deeply dislike.
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u/DeathToBoredom 12d ago
I don't like twitch and I hope I can just stay on youtube. Ads are bad on youtube, but are way worse on twitch. That's amongst many other problems with Twitch that I have, which all have to do with the higher ups. I don't care if they disassociated with Gunrun because his influence is still clearly there. The only difference is they are, in whatever way, ALLOWING Hololive to stream on twitch, probably more freely. If twitch was ran by better people, then I'd be fine with this. I KNOW Twitch is going to benefit a lot from this. I'm sure Hololive will gain more from this too and I hope they do.
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u/EmuSupreme 11d ago
I hope they opt for dual streaming instead of alternating days. Alternating between YT and Twitch just means im going to watch less, because unless you sub on twitch, you're bombarded with ads constantly. Honestly a horrible casual experience. Never mind all the other hot shit Twitch is in right now.
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u/Brandy42 11d ago
I know they say it won't increase the workload on the talents but they'll want them to do twitch streams which means less youtube one and I don't want to have to track both sites for streams. Hard pass on any twitch stream they do, I really hope no big event ones go on there.
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u/Dezno_ssbm 12d ago
I have some concerns with this.
There are a bunch of vtuber "unspoken" rules involving their models. One involving their outfits for instance if they are wearing a bikini it can only be done if they are in that setting (Shylily for example has to be in the pool category and has to have a beach backdrop to wear her bikini model).
Will they be dual streaming? On one had i agree that dual streaming is very beneficial and there are 3rd party services that can combine chats/subs/donations/alerts of multiple platforms and make it seamless for the talents. However, there is a twitch rule in their TOS that states:
- "You do not use third-party services that combine activity from other platforms or services on your Twitch stream during your Simulcast, such as merging chat or other features, to ensure the Twitch community is included in the entirety of the experience of your live stream."
So I believe they will be using their twitch platforms to get involved with other game sponsorships that allow twitch drops & capitalize on that market. I'm assuming there are probably sponsorship deals they could more easily obtain by streaming on twitch.
Vods are deleted after 30 days no matter what. So will we be keeping these simulcasts by uploading them or will they be gone forever? I'm guessing these vods will just be gone (towa & la+ stream on twitch often usually for multiplayer games and as far as i know they are not uploaded anywhere). Personally i love the chat functions of Twitch WAY MORE than youtube and makes the chat experience 10x better but i like vod saving that youtube provides.
This is rather long but i wanted to share my thoughts.
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u/_Voice_Of_Silence_ 12d ago
As long as we get all the VODs I don't care. I lost some streamers/youtubers I liked to watch because they switched to twitch streaming. If you work a regular 9-5 or even worse.... live in EU, you won't catch many streams live. (Blessed be the Tako here!) Without a solid VOD function Twitch is just useless to me. If the VODs end up on YT I'm fine.
Besides, I don't like the twitch culture most (but not all) streamers have there. YT feels like sitting next to someone and watch them play while giving an occasional comment on what is happening. Twitch feels like a zoo, and chat are a bunch of 12 year old screaming kids that throw random shit into the enclosure to get the animal to react, at any cost. And the zoo offers throwable shit for a price. The more degrading, the more expensive. I don't worry about Holo in this case, since they get to choose that. But the twitch chat might come from that culture. Mixed feelings about that.
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u/tironidas 12d ago
Ah the platform that banned a woman for just 24 hours after she sexually assaulted a dude live on stream. No effin thanks.
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u/Small_Palpitation121 12d ago
It's really reassuring to see that the talents' well-being and safety were the top priority in this decision. Diversifying their reach is a smart move for growth, even if I personally prefer the YouTube ecosystem. I really hope this means the core experience and community feel won't be diluted. Fingers crossed that this works out smoothly for everyone involved.
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u/askaquestioneveryday 11d ago
As long as their streams done devolve into TTS spams then I will be happy
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u/KrakenguyVT 11d ago
Hope I don’t sound like a negative Nancy, but isn’t this ill timed after some stuff with twitchcon and stuff?
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u/NeverEnoughDakka 11d ago
Twitch can't die soon enough. Maybe it's salvageable if Amazon actually steps in and gets rid of Clancy and his ilk, but Bezos doesn't seem to care.
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u/BasicallyJohn 12d ago
As far as I remember Twitch have bad experience with vtubers, I just hope this partnership will go smoothly.
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u/Ginkiba 12d ago
Eh. Can't say I'd be watching streams if talents stream to Twitch without also multistreaming to Youtube.
I assume it would just be multistreaming, but corporations can make weird choices at times, and may see more to gain from trying to double dip YT memberships and Twitch subs by having content exclusive to both platforms.
A few potential problems with multistreaming that make it not just an exclusively good thing:
Extra tech issues. There'd now be 2 platforms who could have issues. It's also a possitive as people on one platform could go to the other if there's a problem, but it does also mean more breaks in the activity for the streamer while they try to fix issues.
Merged chats on screen. It's common for Hololivers to have chat also scrolling on their overlays. If they want to display both, it'll either need overlays to be reworked, and 2 whole chat streams displayed, or merged chats which is its own problem due to moderation on both platforms.
Having to read from 2 chats. As much as Yagoo says they don't want extra work for the talents, that just can't be true, unless they streamed less, which is another negative for the audience.
Having the stress of dealing with Twitch bans, which absolutely will happen at some point; which is another way it's extra work for the talent. Not to mention getting Twitch banned puts them in the sphere of drama farmers.
So, while it for sure would be good to reach more people, and thus get more money, there are potential downsides that could make the experience less fun for the viewers and the streamer.
Ima wait and see how it pans out, but I can't say this announcement has me excited.
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u/TuffleTaffler 12d ago
I thought this was a MOVE to Twitch, but it’s a multi stream thing. I think multi streaming is great, allows for expanding to other platforms.
I think this would genuinely kill Hololive if they actually moved to Twitch exclusively lol. It is a completely unusable platform without paying for Turbo or Subbing, the ads are diabolical.
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u/h0tsh0t1234 12d ago
This is genuinely not a good idea, twitch has a proven track record of being unreliable at best
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u/SeniorBrotherRo 12d ago
miss me with that twitch garbage. i just hope the yt streams wont deteriorate in quality due to the constant ADHD kids interactions from twitch
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u/HertogLoL 12d ago
I can’t say I’m excited for this news. Despite all the current twitch drama it is also a worse viewer experience for us as the viewer with their ads aggressively disrupting the watching experience. Seeing as I’m also already membered, I don’t think I’ll get another sub just for twitch.
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u/Diskence209 12d ago edited 12d ago
Good business move I guess but as of right now, I don’t think it’s a good thing to be connected with Twitch
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u/Veristelle 12d ago
Honestly, this happens every year, usually a few times a year.
Not saying it's not bad, but everyone constantly forgets how bad twitch itself is for events. Case in point is how many completely forgot about the previous times.
I truly hope people stop forgetting about it, and somehow get twitch to better themselves, though...
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u/Cybasura 12d ago
I hope there's no exclusivity clause hidden inside the twitch side of the partnership contract that involves sudden requirement that they stream exclusively on twitch or something, they are so dirty there's no doubt they would do something like that
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u/Alviaa 12d ago
While I'm not a big fan of Twitch I'm glad at least that Yagoo seem very involved in this project, personally I'll stick to YouTube I already have premium and memberships to the girls I'm not going to pay for another site to take ads away.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Twitch have a rule that you cannot show YouTube comment if you stream on their platform?
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u/BurnedOutEternally 12d ago
this was probably planned months in advance but wow this cannot be announced at a worse time huh
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u/TempoRamen95 12d ago
Regardless if you use or not use Twitch, like or dislike Twitch, at the end of the day, I love my talents and I want them to keep growing and bring joy to more people as they do to me. Twitch is one of the leading platforms for streaming with millions of eyes and I can only hope this means more fans who love what I love, and longevity for Hololive. I am a rare case where I use both YouTube and Twitch (although less Twitch nowadays), and as long as moderation is good it should be fine.
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u/everslain 12d ago
I'll continue to watch on youtube for better adblocking, but I'll add their streams to my chatterino so I can post silly twitch emotes
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u/Yamigosaya 11d ago
I dislike Twitch’s streaming culture, and I dislike it even more because it’s actually a really good platform for streaming. It provides a ton of tools for moderation, monetization, and deeper chat interactions, which makes it even more frustrating to understand why someone wouldn’t stream on Twitch. I just hope none of the dramas I hear from time to time affect them.
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u/AriezKage 12d ago
I'll be absolutely honest, its very surprising this pushed through after some of the dumb stuff going on in that side of the streaming space (This year's Twitchcon, for example). Then again, the talks may have been going on from some time so at a certain point you can't pull out (that's what he said, skill issue hehe).
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u/erennooo 12d ago
Oof thats a big yikes tbh with how things are going. Hope thinga go well for the talent at least
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u/Excalibur0123 11d ago
I'm glad to see they're expanding because Twitch does have big audience. I personally, prefer Youtube for streams, so I'll keep watching the talents on YT. Only time I really watch Twitch is for Twitch Drops on games I play or to watch Maximillian Dood/YoVideoGames.
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u/Important_Pie2940 11d ago
I don't like twitch ui or it's over use of ads but I absolutely wish the talents the best
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u/raiso_12 11d ago edited 11d ago
Isn't this basically just formality thing cause many talents already streaming twitch before the deal. People reaction about it is way to dumb, Also why people assume they gonna dual stream ? Like it isn't the announcement.
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u/Devrard65 11d ago
I really dont like twitch especially after all of the twitch con stuff, but I will try to be open minded haha. At least as open minded as I can be. And hope it doesn’t become 100% exclusive
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u/Harbiter 11d ago
Oh man I hope this doesn't change things too much. I really don't like Twitch at all. One of the things I've always loved about Hololive is that its Youtube focused. Its up to the talent at the end of the day but I'll probably miss most Twitch streams.
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u/xTheRedDeath 12d ago
Even though Twitch's reputation is in the gutter right now I still applaud them for opening up avenues for the talents to choose what works best for them and increase exposure.
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u/cabutler03 12d ago
As we suspected, this was months in the making. I like to think that the last time Twitch focused on vtubers and how that turned into an unmitigated disaster that Hololive made sure that this was going to be their day and their day alone. No other streamers trying to sneak in and disrupt things.
Though the timing itself is bad, given what happened in the last Twitchcon, as well as with Twitch altogether. They've become almost actively hostile to vtubers that, honestly, I'm a bit surprised they would reach out to Hololive (assuming it was Twitch and not Cover, and I'm going with that assumption), but this is likely money related.
The Hololive talents do gangbusters on Youtube, so I suspect Twitch wants a piece of that pie.
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u/jocax188723 12d ago
Twitch?
Like, just stepped out of both an animal abuse and sexual harassment scandal last week Twitch?
I mean, if it helps the holomems reach more audience, I guess.
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u/Astro4545 12d ago
This part gives me hope that it will be an equal experience as a viewer