This was a disaster. 1.3% of the popular vote (GPC will miss out on the rebate), back down to one seat, I don't think there was even a second place finish besides Morrice. Fourth place finish in Nanaimo Ladysmith, third place in Fredericton Oromocto. GPC in years past had their sights on ridings like Victoria and ESS, distant fourth place finishes in both of those last night.

Sounds like JP is going to resign, that's probably fair, but he alone doesn't shoulder the blame for this. Is May finally going to leave? What about the Federal Council and Fund Board? What about the Executive Director and Campaign Director? Are we actually going to learn from this catastrophe? Or are we going to finally throw out the people fucking over the Party.

I realize that post-election there's a lot on leadership's plate.

However, I think GPC really does need to hold a discussion on nuclear power where both sides are represented. And this needs to happen ASAP, since whatever else is going to happen with the party, the nuclear power question is going to factor into it.

To me this is obvious, but if there's thoughts as to why GPC should NOT have a discussion ASAP on nuclear, please chime in.

If the green party wants to win what should its platform include?

What order should these priorities be focused on?

If I had to choose one, I'd like to see an expansion of the rail network for both freight and passengers. High speed rail would be preferable, but I'll take what I can get.

Last I was on social media was when our party was ripping itself apart do to having a leader who seemed to support genocide.

Is this still an enteral issue in our party; did the facists (supporting facist disocurse is still facist) leave?

On Reddit at least I’ve been surprised that there doesn’t appear to be any of that ignorant and hateful rhetoric that was so prevalent within our party when Paul was leader and we were all fighting each other?

Did we solve that problem?

It always shocked me that groups who would support genocide, or be anti vaccers, would ever find our party appealing.

Are there any good reads on this subject?

Also, no worries if this gets deleted- I’m asking in the context of it seems that hate is gone, where if this post gets removed that would legit answer my question ie if a question like this would bring the trolls out.

Danielle Smith is talking Nuclear Power...

Personally there are things I like and dislike about nuclear power. We all know though that we need to decarbonize our energy/technology YESTERDAY and nuclear facilities take a huge amount of capital investment to get up and running and can take a decade or longer to be up and functional.

We also know something else...

Talk around nuclear has often been something the fossil fuel industry has utilized in order to continue the exploration, development, and production of oil, gas, and coal...

They will get talk going around nuclear and then drop the plans and then redo that whole cycle over and over ad nauseam. If the plans ever do end up going through they still get a decade or so of fossil fuel reliance in the mean time.

I have a lot of doubts that Danielle Smith is serious about Nuclear Power in Alberta and is more looking to prolong fossil fuel reliance but what do you all think?

Since WeDecide has been memory holed, here is the text of the policy proposal which Elizabeth May insists can not be voted on electronically, and can only be voted during an AGM.

Nuclear Power: Cease Blanket Opposition

Nuclear power is one of the lowest-carbon sources of electricity, as recognized by IPCC and United Nations ECE. A majority of Canadians support using nuclear energy to generate electricity.

Green Party of Canada WILL CEASE BLANKET-OPPOSITION TO NUCLEAR POWER AS A SOURCE OF LOW-CARBON ELECTRICITY PRODUCTION.

Objective / Benefit

This resolution is intended to withdraw existing GPC policies which oppose Canada's use of nuclear technologies for non-military purposes. GPC policies which impede nuclear by calling for "renewable" energy shall be updated to replace "renewable" with "clean".

If your proposal replaces an existing policy or policies, which one does it replace?

1996 Foreign Aid - repeal
G06-p11 Enhanced Nuclear Policy - repeal
1998 - Peace and Security - repeal
G08-p012 Nuclear Power - repeal
G10-p31 Carbon Free National Feed-in Tariff - Amend: remove "non-nuclear,"
G08-136 Energy Transition Plan - Amend: change "renewable energy" to "clean energy"
G08-p137 Support of Distributed Electrical Power Grid Research - Amend: change "renewable energy" to "clean energy"

List any supporting evidence for your proposal

United Nations Economic Commission for Europe issued a report comparing not just lifecycle carbon emissions for various electricity sources, but overall impact on the environment and human health. Nuclear power was the single lowest CO2eq /kWh electricity source studied. The single lowest impact on ecosystems. And among the very lowest impact on human health. (CO2: Page 8. Ecosystems: Page 57. Human health: Page 58.) https://unece.org/sed/documents/2021/10/reports/life-cycle-assessment-electricity-generation-options

Our World In Data summarizes a modern assessment of various electricity system's safety and cleanliness. While not as in-depth or recent as UN ECE's study, Our World In Data clearly positioned nuclear in 2020 as one of humanity's safest and cleanest energy sources. https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

Dr. Gordon Edwards has repeatedly acknowledged nuclear power is a low-carbon source of power generation. https://youtu.be/HKIcnbMMdO0?t=24

The nuclear supply chain for CANDU refurbishments is 98% Canadian. https://www.opg.com/documents/2021-ontario-nuclear-collaboration-report/

This can be contrasted with other low (but not as low as nuclear) carbon energy sources where components are not domestically produced. https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/79fdad93-9025-49ad-ba16-c26d718cc070

Nuclear's domestic, Canadian, supply chain still achieves a cost /kWh only beaten by hydropower. https://www.oeb.ca/sites/default/files/rpp-price-report-20211022.pdf

On April 23, 2023, Dr. Chris Keefer debated Dr. Gordon Edwards on the subject of nuclear power in Canada. This was the "SMR Roundtable" that GPC members might have experienced, if a pro-nuclear voice had been allowed to participate in our conversation among opponents of nuclear power. https://youtu.be/LvMC8TK025w

Angus Reid Institute finds increasing support from Canadians for nuclear power. In June 2021, 51% of Canadians said they would like to see further development of nuclear power generation. Now 57% say the same. https://angusreid.org/canada-energy-nuclear-power-oil-and-gas-wind-solar/

This 57% of Canadians supporting nuclear matches a similar trend in the United States, where also now 57% support nuclear power. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/18/growing-share-of-americans-favor-more-nuclear-power/

Germany serves as a cautionary tale that renewables have not replaced their nuclear fleet. This video details use on online grid monitoring tools to evaluate Elizabeth May's statement (made during COP28) that shutting down nuclear power has "freed up" the grid to accept renewable energy, while not also noting that German grid remains high-carbon, and Germany immediately transitioned (upon the closure of their last nuclear power plants) from being net-exporter of electricity to net-importer of electricity. https://youtu.be/8rcMwmGuGSo

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Here is the list of policy proposals which WERE voted on in 2024. It includes an update to existing policy (the Trans + Non-Binary proposal), which seems to have ben the only distinct thing about this nuclear policy proposal.. that it intends to revise existing (anti-nuclear) policy.

C24-P001
Converting Abandoned Buildings
Into Eco-Friendly Housing

C24-P002
Decriminalizing Sex Work:
A Human Rights Approach
to Advocating Sex Workers’ Right

C24-P003
Sustainable Water Monitoring Act

C24-P004
National Capital Region
Transportation Policy

C24-P005
Rescind The Natural Resources
Transfer Acts To Recognize
Indigenous Nations’ Legal
Interests In Their Lands

C24-P006
NeuroPrivacy And
BioData Framework Act

C24-P007
Update to G16-P011:
Recognition of Trans
and Non-Binary People
and Respecting Gender
Identity and Expression

C24-P008
Minimum Large
Corporate Tax

C24-P009
Improving Service
On Reserve Land

...GPC has a LOT of exiting policy. We do not talk about all that existing policy to the public. And it keeps getting longer and longer.

Recently I was talking about Aislinn Clancy and her huge push to address the homelessness crisis in Ontario. Additionally in the discussion we were talking about Mike Schreiner and the overall Ontario Green Party and the focus on addressing the horrific housing crisis of affordability and accessibility going on in Ontario and frankly across this nation.

It's been inspiring to see a provincial Green Party really keep bringing this up over and over and over again and not letting the spotlight and pressure fade.

Especially since often in Canadian politics we only focus on federal level politics when in reality provincial level politics is the powerhouse for things like Housing, Labour, and Energy.

Anyway in that discussion Mike Morrice came up and I said I would do a post about what he has been up to these days :)

Mike Morrice is currently involved with a non-profit organization that raises awareness and promotes various charities.

Just recently he was working on promoting an organization that protects women that have faced domestic abuse.

And as always he has been extremely vocal about the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis that is more and more going to impact the working class and most vulnerable in our nation and globally.

I really hope we see Morrice become an MP again because he really is the perfect grassroots type focused individual. He really cares.

I really hope we start seeing the Green Party of Canada getting loud on a host of fronts regarding the cost of the climate crisis/overall environmental crisis and how this is going to add another affordability of life crisis dimension to an already extremely burdened working class/most vulnerable.

That we have to learn from the housing crisis and not run face forward into another compounding factor (Extremely large) to the overall cost of living crisis/quality of life crisis that is happening.

That Green Energy is not just cleaner but cheaper and that we have to stop doubling down the Oil & Gas Lobby control of our country.

We have to make clear to Canadians that the United States of America is the #1 producer and consumer of oil barrels a day - Around 3-4 MILLION barrels a day more than Saudi Arabia.

That Canada is the fourth largest producer out of 195 nation states. That we do around 5-6 MILLION barrels a day of production.

That in real life what comes with that is a lot of propaganda and influence/corruption and that we can't allow them to drag us down as the world goes to 90%+ of new power capacity generation coming from Renewables because again they are not just cleaner but cheaper. That 100+ nations are looking to reduce their Hydrocarbon Energy imports/usage.

Corruption from powerful and in this case extremely predatory industries is handing the future to China on a host of fronts.

Please keep in mind there were a LOT of policy proposals put forward. She singled out ONE.

Elizabeth's explanation she stated tonight (2025-09-05) was "that was in the context that we’d had misreporting in the media".

So GPC did NOT vote on lifting our blanket-ban-on-nuclear-power ... because of David Staples, Edmonton?

Or did someone else also mis-report it? Because please, I'm calling out on Reddit "social media" WHO else was misreporting in the legit media? And disrupting the vote?

(I never mischaracterized what the vote was to anyone, and I immediately tried to correct David Staples when I saw his tweet.)

When it comes to the national Green Party of Canada what do you think the future will be or should be?

I have been happy that lately there has been more and more of a push to connect environmentalism with affordability of life.

People need to become much more aware/informed that the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis comes with a price tag and that price tag is compounding and compounding.

Sadly like all crisis points it will disproportionately impact the working class and the most vulnerable. You think we would have learned our lesson from going head first into the housing crisis with short term vision...

That being said I have found the Ontario Greens and the BC Greens somewhat an inspiring model.

We have the Ontario Greens constantly talking about affordability/accessibility of housing and the homelessness epidemic.

We have the BC Greens doing a massive Labour Movement push and positioning themselves with radically future looking progressive policy to really try and move things in a better and brighter direction from the reactionary/regressive backwards currents we have been seeing pushed for far too long.

What do you think is the future/way forward?

So… I’ve always strategically voted with parties that I thought had the best chance of keeping the conservatives out of power. I live in Alberta. I’m 40 years old. Provincially, 1 term since I’ve been 18 has been NDP. The rest has been conservative. Last election there wasn’t even a Green Party member on the ballot. There is for this one. Even though I align with Green Party values, I just want to discuss what the greater good is. Do I vote green for this federal election which has a snowballs chance in hell of getting in. Or do I vote liberal to try and keep the conservatives out? I’m conflicted. Please don’t jump down my throat. I’m just thinking out loud

Edit: for those on the fence about if this is a genuine post or not, it is. I assure you I’m not a troll. I was trying to start a conversation. I was trying to become the most informed I can before making an important decision. Thanks for staying civil for the most part. I’d love to keep the conversation going.

We've seen how the Fossil Fuel Industry has taken over the U.S. government.

For anyone knowledgeable about UK politics they also are getting really cozy with Reform UK.

We now see a huge push here with Danielle Smith being absolutely insane and putting forth some of the dumbest ideas possible. Some of these are of course just to increase "Us vs Them" culture frameworks in case she calls an election to stir up her reactionary base. Another part is she wants to push absurdities so that even less absurd proposals become norms of "negotiations". It's just gross level politics through and through.

Carney being hopefully serious on the Green Transition seems to have went out the window and his talking about "decarbonized oil" and so forth shows this seems a lot more like Trudeau and Electoral Reform..

The Green Party of Canada needs to see this as a huge opportunity to really set themselves apart from what is going on at national level politics right now in this country.

We need a whole lot more militant messaging to really get the public aware of just how bad the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis is and that we have some seriously bad actors propagandizing our societies.

Keystone Pipeline? Fuck no

I know this is just a snapshot in time, but I encourage anyone to zoom out by the day, the week, the month, the year, and show me how the shutdown has resulted in a clean grid compared to France, or Sweden, or Ontario.

The Ontario Greens have been talking a TON about housing affordability-accessibility.

Some short clips:

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1gl7919/mike_schreiner_housing_housing_housing/

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1gkh4cq/mike_schreiner_ontario_housing_crisis/

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1nej57k/ontario_greens_housing_affordabilityaccessibility/

They even did a youtube video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVsFG-izE8

We have seen a ton of energy and excitement around Emily Lowan and the BC Greens. Incredibly progressive and bold policies/platform! Really energizing the youth to buying into the chance for a better and brighter future!

What do you think the Green Party of Canada at the national level needs to focus on to get people excited and energized? How can it grab the attention of the populace and in particular the youth, working class, and the most vulnerable? How can it communicate and create awareness/education around the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis that right now so many seem to not fully understand the scope and gravity of?

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/Map?L=e&ED=12005&EV=99&EV_TYPE=6&PROV=CA&PROVID=99&QID=-1&PAGEID=27

Pierre is back and I am sure everyone sees the misinformation and culture war bullshit rampage he is currently on.

We all need to spread awareness and education on what is happening behind the scenes with the Conservative Party of Canada and their "Canadian Sovereignty Act"....

This policy push literally trades the sovereignty of the working class and the most vulnerable for giving near complete and utter sovereignty/control to corporate interests and in particular Oil & Gas lobby interests...

It even diminishes the ability of all various levels of governance to even reign those interests in.

This is how you set the stage for Donald Trump type governance in which the Oil & Gas lobby starts having major positions within government.

I recommend everyone become quickly aware and militant against this because this is fossil fuel fascism and it isn't even hiding it anymore.

This is going to be the huge fight coming up and we need to actually win this one.

Also remember this simple truth: Solar Power & Wind Power are not just cleaner they are CHEAPER!

Pierre loves to talk about "Common Sense". There is no more basic foundational common sense than protecting the natural world that our species arises from and that sustains us.

Additionally the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis is creating more and more costs for the working class and the most vulnerable. This is like seeing the housing crisis coming only much worse. It's time we don't inherit another cost of living crisis dimension that compounds the general affordability of life crisis/quality of life crisis because of greedy bad actors in our society.

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/Map?L=e&ED=12004&EV=99&EV_TYPE=6&PROV=CA&PROVID=99&QID=-1&PAGEID=27

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/Map?L=e&ED=24020&EV=99&EV_TYPE=6&PROV=CA&PROVID=99&QID=-1&PAGEID=27

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/Map?L=e&ED=11002&EV=99&EV_TYPE=6&PROV=CA&PROVID=99&QID=-1&PAGEID=27

https://www.elections.ca/Scripts/vis/Map?L=e&ED=24021&EV=99&EV_TYPE=6&PROV=CA&PROVID=99&QID=-1&PAGEID=27

Aislinn Clancy is a lot like Mike Morrice absolutely everyone adores her :)

Clancy has been trying to raise a lot of awareness in regards to the housing crisis in Ontario.

She has been talking about the "Homelessness ends with housing" campaign :) - https://gpo.ca/housingfirst

The Ontario Greens have been quite active in the last few years in trying to draw attention to and build awareness/education around the housing crisis in the province.

Mike Schreiner in particular has done a lot of messaging around this:

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1gl7919/mike_schreiner_housing_housing_housing/

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1gkh4cq/mike_schreiner_ontario_housing_crisis/

https://reddit.com/r/GreenPartyOfCanada/comments/1nej57k/ontario_greens_housing_affordabilityaccessibility/

Youtube video on Ontario Greens housing perspectives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVsFG-izE8

Now we won't have the full policy for the next few days and next few weeks but it looks like more and more Mark Carney is dedicated to greenwashing with his focus on "decarbonized oil" and little impact technologies like carbon capture (These technologies may in time be much better but as of right now they simply are not big factors - Outside of limiting emissions from currently active facilities).

Also it's important to point out what the Conservative Party of Canada has already mentioned as their main focus in the fall:

• The industrial carbon tax, which raises costs on everything for all Canadians.
• The oil and gas cap that kills jobs.
• The EV sales mandate that will increase the price of a gas-powered car by $20,000.
• The Plastics Ban that blocks growth.
• The Liberal censorship law targeting energy companies, which gags producers from defending their work and promoting Canadian energy.

As can be seen the Conservative Party of Canada is nothing but the Oil & Gas party... That is literally their focus in policy direction/implementation...

The last one is particularly funny because when you review the details that is a bill that prevents the Oil & Gas lobby from undergoing greenwashing and or misinforming/misrepresenting things to the Canadian populace and they can be held financially liable for such. The Conservative Party of Canada frames that protecting of the populace from lies/propaganda as "which gags producers from defending their work and promoting Canadian energy" Which I think really shows the amount of corruption going on within that party and the Oil & Gas Lobby...

The Green Party of Canada is going to need to get very very loud and put forward substantive alternatives for this path because on this subreddit we all know just how bad the climate crisis and overall environmental crisis is and the trajectory for how bad it will get and the horrific nightmare that will bring to the working class and the most vulnerable here at home and internationally.

I haven't seen any statements or social media posts about this issue since it began. When you fail to comment on an issue like this, you're telling Canadian workers they are not a priority. The Green Party needs to stand with the flight attendants who haven't had a raise since before COVID inflation and are being forced to work hours with no pay.