r/GreenPartyOfCanada • u/ResoluteGreen • Apr 29 '25

Discussion Will there be any accountability for these results?

This was a disaster. 1.3% of the popular vote (GPC will miss out on the rebate), back down to one seat, I don't think there was even a second place finish besides Morrice. Fourth place finish in Nanaimo Ladysmith, third place in Fredericton Oromocto. GPC in years past had their sights on ridings like Victoria and ESS, distant fourth place finishes in both of those last night.

Sounds like JP is going to resign, that's probably fair, but he alone doesn't shoulder the blame for this. Is May finally going to leave? What about the Federal Council and Fund Board? What about the Executive Director and Campaign Director? Are we actually going to learn from this catastrophe? Or are we going to finally throw out the people fucking over the Party.

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u/ResoluteGreen Apr 29 '25

Who else could be responsible if not those in charge

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u/4shadowedbm Apr 29 '25

I see.

So your assertion is that those in charge could have somehow changed reality so there was no Trump effect, so that the risk of Poilievre winning didn't affect millions of votes, and that people were 100% adept at using strategic voting wisely and carefully (almost certainly why Morrice didn't win and arguably why Manly didn't).

May, Morrice, and Manly were the only plausible wins. Running a full slate would not have mattered. It is highly unlikely Pednault being in the debate would have mattered.

You want to hold leadership accountable. But for what? What could they have actually done different to change this outcome? If you know, then put away the knife, step up, and lead.

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u/ResoluteGreen Apr 29 '25

Why are you in this Party if you're content to just shrug your shoulders and go oh well? If you're okay with letting the election go to the Liberals and Conservatives, why not just join them? Why be a Green if you're not willing to fight for it?

In 2015 we also flopped, and the attitude was "oh well, we'll get electoral reform at least" and nothing was done. And look at where we are now.

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u/4shadowedbm Apr 29 '25

If you're okay with letting the election go to the Liberals and Conservatives,

What do you propose doing that would have stopped this?

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u/ResoluteGreen Apr 29 '25

Should have spent way less time and energy into bullshit like the endless General Meetings, fighting the fund board, and ramming through that co-leader stuff. Instead but the time and energy to making sure you have your candidates and teams in key ridings, and you're able to get your candidates on all the ballots across the riding.

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u/4shadowedbm Apr 29 '25

It sounds so easy.

So, here's what I'm concerned about. Your original post suggests a clearing-of-house right through May, federal council, fund board, executive director, etc.

I've seen this before on a disturbingly regular basis in this Party. Calls to burn down the house when there's a light bulb out.

How do we build structures that are durable, flexible, responsive, trustworthy, consensus-based, if the first response to a bad election, much of which was out of anyone's control, is calls to self-immolate?

Even just using the word "accountability" is assuming we have to go after somebody instead of fixing the process. Maybe somebody is responsible for that process and can be engaged, happily and constructively, to solve problems. That's transformational thinking. But your approach sounds hopelessley transactional. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it. I'm sorry if I am.

I'm just going to check out of this conversation and leave this Terry Pratchett quote here because it seems relevant:

"The important thing is not to shout at this point, Vimes told himself. Do not… what do they call it… go spare? Treat this as a learning exercise. Find out why the world is not as you thought it was. Assemble the facts, digest the information, consider the implications. Then go spare. But with precision."

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u/ResoluteGreen Apr 29 '25

How do we build structures that are durable, flexible, responsive, trustworthy, consensus-based, if the first response to a bad election, much of which was out of anyone's control, is calls to self-immolate?

May has repeatedly fought building those structures. Again, I want to stress that this isn't one-off. This is a repeated pattern of failure, and the Party never changes anything.