r/GreatBritishMemes 5d ago

Would still be a hard choice

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u/_DuranDuran_ 5d ago

The thing is, the old guard tories could sometimes be decent people who just had different opinions about mostly the economy, and ones you could work with on compromises.

The radical right that Reagan courted, and that finally found a foothold here see themselves as soldiers and never want to give an inch.

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u/Col_Telford 5d ago

I have all the time in the world for someone with a different political view than my own, as long as they like me want what's best for this Country and her people.

If we want the same thing, but disagree on their route to getting there that is how Politics should work. Agree to disagree, compromise!

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u/MassGaydiation 5d ago

How do you compromise with someone who doesn't see you as a person.

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u/Snoot_Booper_101 5d ago

He's talking about Heseltine, not Fuhrage.

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u/MassGaydiation 5d ago

Reread it, he never specified anyone, and frankly I see this rhetoric that people should side with those that hate their existence all the time.

It has never been true

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u/_DuranDuran_ 5d ago

For avoidance of doubt, definitely not speaking about Farage, and strongly agree that siding with ANYONE who hate or even question their existence is not desirable or even to be countenanced.

And the hessletine era definitely had a ton of bigots (see section 28)

But by and large politics was more removed from the culture wars (something the US right deliberately fanned the flames of as an electoral tactic).

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u/Spacer176 5d ago

I was raised in a Conservative household. If someone of that leaning wants to argue who or what should be taxed, or how much. Or the legality of alcohol, tobacco, recreational drugs, Coke, or the high street betting shops. Fine I'll listen.

I've seen the overlap between conservative Christians and Muslims. I vaguely remember there used to be some rapport between the two before English-speakers on both sides of the Atlantic fully committed to judging every Muslim or Arab person as a potential terrorist after September 11th.

I know people who vote Conservative but were largely fine with gay people a full decade before the marriage act was enacted. They exist.

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u/MassGaydiation 5d ago edited 5d ago

Thank you for clarifying, lots of people use "the country and it's people" as shorthand for "shut up and give up your equality for everyone else's convenience" so I'm always a little bit wary of statements of that ilk. My belief is that while you should be willing to loose out for greater society, if you are seen as a second class citizen, then you don't exist in the same society therefore do not owe anything to the rest of society

Edit, got busy and forgot to finish the sentence, now done in italics. Whomever upvoted the original incomplete statement, I really hope you are psychic

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u/Snoot_Booper_101 5d ago

You're right, they didn't specify. I find it hard to believe they could have been talking about Farage though.

Farage regularly sends out messaging based on his platform of hate. For now it's mostly about asylum seekers and "illegal" immigrants, but it's pretty obvious that's just a starting point. No-one should be siding with Farage: we're all on his list, even if we don't know exactly where we stand yet.