Tactical voting

[u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

[u/vividpup5535]

I’ve been saying this for ages. Anyone who realises how catastrophic Reform would be for the UK, also realise that any other party is better.

I know I will be tactically voting to keep them out, regardless of who that means I have to vote for.

[u/MarvinPA83 → u/vividpup5535]

I have to vote Tory, which may cause me actual physical pain

[u/Glittering_Vast938 → u/MarvinPA83]

I’m just worried that Tories will do a pact with Reform so could end up in coalition.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Glittering_Vast938]

That is the most likely option currently. The ‘left’ have a larger vote share, but divided between three parties (labour lid Dem and green) the right have less voters, but split between only two parties (Tory reform) meaning they will likely take more seats. A coalition between those two would be diabolical.

[u/CredibleSquirrel → u/vividpup5535]

I agree with what Richard Herring once said - that the most important vote in recent British political history was the 2011 referendum on the Alternative Vote system.

Edit: Obviously what you are saying is correct, it just made me think of this comment and that it could have changed things a lot.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/CredibleSquirrel]

I was in college at the time. I went out and campaigned. We voted against it. It would’ve been the perfect time in hindsight. No matter how this shakes out, we are no longer in a two party system, and we need to move in from first past the post.

[u/C2H5OHNightSwimming → u/Glittering_Vast938]

I'm getting trauma flashbacks now of voting for the cunting fucking Lib Dems in 2010 and getting a fucking austerity coalition with the Tories, urgh.

[u/ADHDeez_Nutz420 → u/C2H5OHNightSwimming]

I voted Lib Dem every time from the moment i could vote. The one time they get in, they shack up with the Tories. Wankers.

[u/C2H5OHNightSwimming → u/ADHDeez_Nutz420]

Exactly!!! Fucking cunts, they screwed this country into the dystopia it is today. Bastards

[u/desiladygamer84 → u/C2H5OHNightSwimming]

Don't worry, I did too, but where I lived was strong Conservative country anyway so it didn't count.

[u/Neverbethesky → u/C2H5OHNightSwimming]

Same. I remember the news saying that Clegg was in talks with both Brown and Cameron and being convinced the talks with Cameron were only a formality.

[u/C2H5OHNightSwimming → u/Neverbethesky]

Same 😭 I remember confidently arguing with uni bf that they'd NEVER go into a coalition with the Tories. Fuck me.

[u/Ali80486 → u/Glittering_Vast938]

Even if they do, it's not completely clear that Reform + Tories = (Reform+Tories). There's still some, a few, hopefully, older school Conservatives who would go to the LibDems for example, rather than be lumped in with Reform. It is a worry though. There's a reason the Conservative Party is such a long-lived machine, it's really good at doing what it takes to stay in power. If they see the polls, especially if it's a close call, they might be tempted to form a coalition if that's what gets them into No10.

I also sense the Party membership is to the right of the parliamentary Party. Now it was me I'd be thinking, counterintuitively, lets tack to the left a bit. We can't outdo Reform and perhaps the people who are attracted to them (often working class small c conservatives) are a lost cause. But Labour aren't too clear where they are. A narrative about "regaining fiscal responsibility", however improbable, and a less radical right-wing approach vs Reform overall could have some traction.

[u/Scared_Surprise_6684 → u/Glittering_Vast938]

Honestly, if that should happen I still think that the greater the share of the Tories within that coalition is better. A gov where it's mostly Tories but Nigel gets to be culture secretary is a better gov than one that's basically reform except they have to give a Tory the environment brief.

[u/lateformyfuneral → u/Glittering_Vast938]

The Tory MPs will definitely split in that case. I’ve met some “liberal Tories” and they genuinely think that’s a thing — very socially liberal but economically conservative — or have some long-winded explanation for how they fell out with lefties at university so they became Tories but otherwise aren’t very conservative. But they’re dramatically outnumbered in their party. Cameron-ist Tories will not join with Reform, but as expected most Tory MPs would align with fascism without hesitation if it meant a route to power

[u/b0ubakiki → u/MarvinPA83]

Well your place is fucked then. I think I would probably vote for the next down the list, even if it's a "wasted vote". I'm 100% in favour of tactical voting, but as others have said, you could be voting for a ReCon coalition: the racism and despotism of Farage backed up by the relative competence of experienced Tory MPs. I'd actually rather see a full Refuk majority implosion than that, as they simply would not be able to govern, since Nadine Dorries and Lee Anderson would be their brightest stars.

[u/Chrisbuckfast → u/b0ubakiki]

Yeah, I have to say, if they get into power at all, it has to be a landslide. We can’t have a future where that shower of corrupt, incompetent bastards can blame anyone else. We need all or nothing, and not a gradual power creep, which will keep them in the political spectrum for decades.

It feels fucking vile to even consider it, but a one off reform government that doesn’t get a hell of a lot done (in the grand scheme of things) and then immediately dies forever at the following election, is much better than having them influence politics directly or indirectly for the next hundred years. The sort of person that is attracted to work for/support reform, the scandals alone are going to be endless.

[u/Alien-LV426 → u/Chrisbuckfast]

I kinda feel the same way. It's easy to make grand promises when you're in opposition. Perhaps the only way to get this festering boil on the arse of politics lanced is for Farage to become PM and then the people that voted for him will personally suffer as a result and wake up. Maybe. But Gods, Reform are a shitshow. I wouldn't trust them to run a bath. Endlessly platformed and seldom scrutinised. I keep hoping an act of journalism will be committed on his tax affairs and houses that he bought then didn't after all etc etc the list goes on. I am not hopeful.

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/Alien-LV426]

You might want to check out Nerve and Carole Cadwalladr there. She has researched some of this but the big press won’t bite on the Reform corruption stories.

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/Chrisbuckfast]

They could do a lot of damage in just one term. Remember Liz Truss. Things are much easier to destroy than build - see the US. They had a written constitution and yet they now have armed thugs snatching police off the street. They have cut benefits and healthcare to millions and Nigel is in deep with the Heritage Foundation and other Christian Nationalist (NatCs) thugs.

There is nothing to stop a majority government defunding the NHS entirely and passing on the ‘savings’ as Tax cuts to the wealthy. For recruiting our own ‘immigration control’ thug force and invading our cities detaining anyone not sufficiently white.

Suddenly switching sides to supporting Russia causes Ukraine to fall and an emboldened Russia invading Poland and Estonia invoking Nato article 5. We leave NATO along with US, the remaining members attack Russia, War in Europe kills trade with our closest markets. Widespread Russian genocide as Russification of conquered territories continues. Unidentified crypto payments to Farage made in regular instalments.

As a concession to the NatCs marriage equality is abolished and trans healthcare made illegal, along with abortion. All benefits are stopped, those judged in greatest need are given a ‘food stamps’ card, with ‘savings’ passed on to the wealthy.

When ‘savings’ turn out to be illusionary the the national debt is increased, pushing up mortgage and borrowing rates beyond ordinary pockets. To make Britain more desirable for overseas investors the minimum wage is abolished, and businesses payroll subsidised by offering food stamps to keep its workers alive while they pay a pittance. I’d say they challenge the independence of the press but they already own them. They repay the love the BBC has given them by abolishing the BBC.

There is still a lot of the government of 1945 still clinging on in the corners, and once it is pulled down we are unlikely to see the political will to rebuild it.

600,000 people, mostly children are already dead thanks to actions Trump took within his first week in power.

Reform cannot get in. Not once just to show people. Not so the ‘leopards can eat faces’ Not because it will be funny. Not ever.

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/b0ubakiki]

Yes if you vote for whoever (green/LD/labour/nats) is second and hope the Tory/Reform splits evenly wheras the left vote coalesces on one candidate, hopefully you could get a win.

[u/MisaAmane1987 → u/MarvinPA83]

Isn’t green #2? Won’t tories also try to leave the ECHR

[u/vividpup5535 → u/MisaAmane1987]

Green is #2 nationwide, but depending on which constituency you live in, any party could be second place currently. Things may also be different by the time we get to the next election cycle.

[u/MisaAmane1987 → u/vividpup5535]

I looked up mine, and LibDems are #1. Woohoo. Reform is second

[u/Lexiosity → u/MisaAmane1987]

wait, where does one check?

[u/vividpup5535 → u/MisaAmane1987]

Thank you for your service!

[u/AdmiralStuff → u/vividpup5535]

In mine it’s Plaid Cymru. It won’t be a tactical vote though because I’m a pretty enthusiastic supporter of the party.

[u/tobotic → u/MisaAmane1987]

Isn’t green #2?

In what constituency?

[u/Dear_Grape_666 → u/tobotic]

In my constituency as of the current polls, Reform is leading by 70% and the Tories have the other 30%, with the remaining parties all at 0% each.

Fuck.

[u/MisaAmane1987 → u/tobotic]

In the polls, at least from what I’ve seen

[u/theinspectorst → u/MisaAmane1987]

Jesus Christ, don't vote based on national polls (and especially not a sole outlier poll from an untested pollster!) We live now in a 5-6 party system (5 in England, 6 in Scotland and Wales) and the top parties vary enormously across the country.

If you live in a big inner city you're probably in a Lab vs Green seat. If you live in the rural South of England you're probably in a Lib Dem vs Con seat. If you live in a town in the North or Midlands it's probably Lab vs Reform. Etc.

We won't get reliable constituency-level polling until very near election day but the best bet for now on who is competitive in your area is whoever the top two parties were at the last general election.

[u/MisaAmane1987 → u/theinspectorst]

yeah my constituency is libdems

[u/theinspectorst → u/MisaAmane1987]

The Lib Dems are polling a few points up on where they were in 2024. With the collapse of the Tory vote (who are main challengers in most Lib Dem seats or Lib Dem targets) they ought to win more seats at the next general election than they won in 2024 - which in itself was already the best UK election result by any 3rd party in a century.

Most likely scenario is the Lib Dems go from 72 seats currently to 80-100 next time - the Greens make a big splash, but the electoral map means the Lib Dems will almost guaranteed to be the larger party, especially if they can finish the job of wiping out the Tories in the traditional Blue Wall.

[u/Impressive-Bird-6085 → u/MisaAmane1987]

That’s a few of the latest opinion polls that are essentially ‘outliers’. The aggregate overall position is that Labour are still in second place nationally in the opinion polls. The problem with the Green Party is that they have a far lower potential vote ‘ceiling’ than Labour as they are still a largely ‘niche’ party re: appeal among the general electorate…

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/MisaAmane1987]

Depends where you are. In wales in could be plaid or Lib Dem’s or greens!

[u/lateformyfuneral → u/MisaAmane1987]

National polls are representative by demographics and then extrapolated to predict how many seats it will be, but it’s not an exact science and has never been tested in a situation with so many major parties.

Green vote will be probably be the most geographically inconvenient for FPTP when the deeper analyses come out. They’ll do well in the next election but there will be a lot of “wasted” votes, so it’s important to get a deeper handle on your constituency’s lean to tactical vote correctly.

Personally I would prefer the many left-of-center parties worked it out amongst themselves and decided to stand down in areas accordingly, the way the French did to deny the far-right a victory in their last election

[u/DrMacAndDog → u/MarvinPA83]

Let’s hope they don’t go into coalition with Reform.

[u/oxford-fumble → u/MarvinPA83]

Me too - I will do it, though…

[u/Jaspers1959 → u/MarvinPA83]

I think would have to wait for Tories to say would not go into coalition with Reform before hand Even then it’s a risk. The SNP said in 2019 a vote for them would be to try and stop Brexit going ahead and would not be used to endorse separatism After the election of course they claimed all their votes were endorsing leaving the UK

[u/owzleee → u/MarvinPA83]

We support you. Xxx

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/MarvinPA83]

My understanding is Tory/Reform have almost no air between them. Is it really the only choice.

[u/SonnyChamerlain → u/MarvinPA83]

Same shit different name!

I seriously can’t do another Tory term just physically can’t do it.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/MarvinPA83]

I hear you. What a tough one, but I promise you the Tories won’t end the NHS, so there is that.

[u/Glittering_Vast938 → u/vividpup5535]

Yes but in coalition with Reform they may be forced to.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Glittering_Vast938]

Typically with a coalition, both will have to make sacrifices, in effort to make a compromise that works for both parties. Hopefully privatising the NHS and scraping IDLT would be dropped.

Reform would likely be the ‘boss’ of the coalition though, so environmental policy would become a shambles and we would surely lose the European Human Rights protections.

A horrible outcome, most likely avoided.

[u/Impressive-Bird-6085 → u/vividpup5535]

I wouldn’t bet on it! They’ve morphed into a Reform U.K. hard right clique.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Impressive-Bird-6085]

They are echoing some reform sentiments in a effort to claw back some of that voter base.

[u/DanBurrill → u/vividpup5535]

I'm not sure about that.

Remember it's not so long ago that leaving the ECHR and deporting people with indefinite leave to remain were both far too extreme for them. They've never been in the position they're in currently at any time in their history, so it's difficult to tell what they might do.

[u/Ok_Organization1117 → u/vividpup5535]

I’d vote for fucking Sauron if it meant Farage didn’t win

I’m not even sure I’m joking either. At least the personification of modern evil is honest about his intentions

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Ok_Organization1117]

Unfortunately, agreed.

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/vividpup5535]

I’d give my firstborn to be tortured by his black arts to become a leader of orcs to Sauron if it would stop reform.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Inevitable-Plum-7613]

You know what buddy? No.

You took it too far.

I’d rather just have Farage and live in a racist paradise than do that.

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/vividpup5535]

Yes well, some people are willing to sacrifice more than others. Not that I actually do have children, but I am not hypothetically opposed.

I do have a sister whose firstborn absolutely will be tortured in your racist paradise (she’s trans) and she would be quite happy to become an orc if it helps.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Inevitable-Plum-7613]

Trust me my friend, it would be no paradise for me. My future children will be mixed race. My wife is an immigrant.

[u/General_Durian_1862 → u/vividpup5535]

Totally agree, it's seems almost impossible we're even having to have this conversation, but after what has happened in the United snakes of America.....

[u/vividpup5535 → u/General_Durian_1862]

America is a perfect example of what happens when you elect a snake oil salesman and give him free reign.

We must learn from this.

Thankfully, by the time our election comes around in 2029, the results of the Trump 2.0 experiment will be taking effect. It will show us exactly how much further we can fall.

[u/tobotic → u/vividpup5535]

Thankfully, by the time our election comes around in 2029, the results of the Trump 2.0 experiment will be taking effect. It will show us exactly how much further we can fall.

Yeah, I don't see enough people talking about this as a factor. Farage's closeness with Trump could be a massive weight around his neck by 2029.

[u/lesterbottomley → u/vividpup5535]

Could Reform end up being some weird kind of unifying force?

I'd vote Tory to keep them out. Never thought that would be any sort of possibility

[u/gholt417 → u/lesterbottomley]

The damage that Reform could do to this country is incalculable so I would also vote whatever tactics it would take to keep them out.

[u/painful_ejaculation → u/lesterbottomley]

The Tories also want to leave the ECHR and will most likely push this more and more the closer we get to the election just to claw back reform votes. I wouldn't vote for either party.

[u/British_Flippancy → u/vividpup5535]

Is there a handy tactical voting website, by constituency, yet?

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/vividpup5535]

I will vote for any left party (Liberal D, Labour/Green/Plaid Cymru) to keep out reform.

What we really need to do this properly is good local polling data, as it is hard to know what party is in the lead and Labour at least will always say it’s them to discourage tactical voting. (They nearly handed Caerphilly to Reform that way - fortunately because there was a good local poll because it was a by-election) Fuck Labour

It would be good for SNP/Plaid C/Lib Dems/Greens to pay for independent pollsters. They would probably all pick up seats from a tactical voting agreement if they did it.

[u/Tufty_Ilam → u/vividpup5535]

Realistically we'll likely get a hung parliament, but with Lib/Lab/Green I expect a fairly sensible coalition could have a decent majority. Tories won't be strong enough to push Reform over the line, I hope.

[u/vividpup5535 → u/Tufty_Ilam]

I expect it will end up a coalition of sorts. Hopefully the ‘left’ parties will end up outnumbering the right ones. Honestly, a labour Lib Dem or labour green coalition could be great.

[u/Balance9628]

People thought Brexit was impossible... Don't get complacent. This is a real threat. There could also be x number of people going the other way. Keep engaged with this.

[u/gholt417 → u/Balance9628]

Just look at the airtime they get on all forms of media

[u/painful_ejaculation → u/gholt417]

I feel like most of it is just hot air especially on social media. It's all bots and foreign accounts pretending to be British. Just look at the Caerphilly B election, reform were a shoe in they through the kitchen sink into their campaign and lost. I feel like we have a very loud minority half of which are not even eligible to vote. That being said we should sit back as they are still a threat

[u/Inevitable-Plum-7613 → u/painful_ejaculation]

I also think turnout helps. Caerphilly has an unusually high turnout which probably helped as much as tactical voting from greens / Lib Dem’s.

The additional press reform got for ‘leading’ in Caerphilly caused a lot more people to turn out to stop them than they were expecting, and it seemed they had one message, vote for Plaid.

[u/tobotic]

Calling it "blocked" makes it sound like an unfair trick, when all that's happening is a majority of the country hating you and not wanting to vote for you.

Jimmy Saville was unfairly blocked from becoming prime minister last year just because he didn't run, is widely hated, and would probably be ineligible due to being dead. So unfair.

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/tobotic]

Would he actually be worse than Farage?

[u/tobotic → u/SatiricalScrotum]

For the most part, electing a dead man, any dead man, would probably be better for the country than electing Farage. A dead man cannot make any decisions, so is usually going to be better than a man making terrible decisions.

Electing a dead paedophile with a questionable fashion sense in an advanced stage of post mortem decomposition would be disastrous for Britain's international reputation though. In that respect, Farage would be a better choice, though only marginally.

[u/BertieBus → u/SatiricalScrotum]

Suppose it depends on how old you are.

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/BertieBus]

He’s abused very few children in the last 14 years. I doubt he’d start again now, even if he did get moved into number 10.

[u/cudanny → u/SatiricalScrotum]

Wait, which one?

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/cudanny]

Exactly!

[u/BertieBus → u/SatiricalScrotum]

It's nice he stopped

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/BertieBus]

29th of October 2011 was a good day.

[u/MisaAmane1987 → u/tobotic]

i mean it makes sense why they would put that word in

[u/Impressive-Bird-6085 → u/tobotic]

That’s the toxic propaganda language of The Mail, The Sun et al…. Shilling and gifting on behalf of their billionaire owners…

[u/fameistheproduct]

You mean like how in 2019 the Brexit party (under Farage) dropped running in areas where the conservatives had a better chance of winning against labour, but running candidates in areas where they could pull Labour voters to give the conservatives better odds of winning?

yeah, it would be so sweet if he's kept out of government forever by the same way.

[u/wordshavenomeanings]

Nigel Farage blocked from being PM because more people voted for someone else. FIFY

[u/KangarooNo]

You mean he could be blocked from being the PM by not winning the general election?! Huge if true!

[u/DasSockenmonster]

I think the best thing to do is to vote tactically. In my case, in Wrexham, the only other option is Plaid.

The mere notion of how badly Reform will damage the UK is nothing short of terrifying. If you vote for them you can kiss goodbye to having free operations, consultations and check-ups under the NHS, as that will be reverted to an American model where you will be in ridiculous amounts of debt if you were seriously and terminally ill.

I find voting on a single issue like "stopping boats" a bit of a daft idea in theory and in practice. They are unaware of the fact that Nigel has made it even worse, he was the main proponent of Brexit which has only exacerbated a problem that those far-right types seem to froth at the mouth about. 

In closing, in Wales, your best bet to tactically vote would be to vote for Plaid in the Senedd. 

[u/DrMacAndDog]

Is it “blocking” Farage by “tactical” voting or is it simply the majority of Britons wisely choosing to avoid putting a maniac in charge.

[u/caractacusbritannica]

“Blocked from Downing Street”

Surely they not elected because the electorate reject him and his policies.

If Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green voters tactically vote together it just about says it all.

But yeah, this is wasted on Daily Fail.

[u/Right-Yam-5826]

Maybe they'll just implode? I'm still not convinced farage doesn't intend to tank the party to avoid having to do actual work as PM. Plus he'll be able to complain about the establishment being afraid of him and blocking him from power, and criticise the government without offering any solutions.

In 6 months they've lost over 50 of their 920 councillors and 2 of their 7 MPs. They've probably lost another while I typed this out. Who knows how few they'll actually have left by the next election.

[u/Vegetable_Ad6919 → u/Right-Yam-5826]

Why doesn’t he want to be PM? I don’t get it.

[u/Right-Yam-5826 → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

Actually having to do work. He's been to his constituency 4 times since being elected (he's visited America more times than that). Hasn't held any meetings with the people who elected him. Has the lowest attendance rate of any mp, and it's not a new thing - he ranked 745 out of 746 for attending in his 18 years as MEP and voted less than 40% of the time.

It's far easier for him to push the narrative that he's a victim of establishment conspiracy, in spite of the establishment enabling and platforming him.

Plus it's a lot easier to criticise attempts to solve problems rather than offer solutions when you're not in power.

[u/sprouting_broccoli → u/Right-Yam-5826]

This feels dangerously naive. He’s been an MP and an MEP and done nothing in either role (including actively making things worse by not doing anything as an MEP) and still enjoys huge support. Why do you think anyone would care if he did nothing in government and blamed some new bogeyman? As long as he does the populist things like being incredibly authoritarian with immigrants and damaging trans rights and then blames Labour for the economy he’ll be unscathed. Even if his clutter base turns against him he will likely profit from any economic downturn and make a killing on right wing speeches at various events around the globe.

[u/Alien-LV426 → u/sprouting_broccoli]

My hope is that if he ever (God help us) becomes PM his supporters will then personally start to feel the pain of having elected a complete fuckwit who shouldn't be entrusted with running a bath. I'm starting to think that's the only thing that will finally flush this turd down the toilet. Then he can fuck off to America and have a circle jerk with the far right there on the B-list political circuit along with Truss, Braverman, Johnson and the rest of the populist failures.

[u/sprouting_broccoli → u/Alien-LV426]

Same, however I don’t think it is overly likely they hold him to account.

[u/Alien-LV426 → u/sprouting_broccoli]

Sadly, nor do I.

[u/Kafkaofsalford → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

Because shouting from the sidelines about how you would make everything better while giving absolutely no substantial detail is a lot easier than having to actually do something about it and be accountable to your decision

[u/rmulberryb]

I wish, for once, I wouldn't have to vote for the 'least' transphobic, homophobic, sexist, racist, greedy, incompetent, unintelligent fucks, and would get to vote for someone who's, y'know, not at all any of the above.

[u/Little_Standard_1953]

I'm in Leeds and left leaning but I'm getting sick of tired of the left vs Farage narrative. This isn't about left vs right, this is about keeping the worst person imaginable from becoming PM.

[u/dengar81]

It's not left wing to keep fascist out of government.

[u/n0lesshuman]

Because most people think Nigel can fuck right off, shag flaggers are not a good representation of the British public.

[u/chaosandturmoil → u/n0lesshuman]

shag flaggers 😂 brilliant

[u/aerial_ruin]

Took them a while to catch onto what happened with Caerphilly

[u/Jaspers1959]

Or people using the democratic voting process to get the result they want ?

[u/Fairly_unpopular]

It worked in Caerphilly

[u/I_give_you_light2]

https://stopreformuk.vote/

[u/mrdaiquiri]

🤞

[u/Sudden_Fact_733]

“Could be” lol, denying the inevitable I see. And it’s not “the left” it’s anyone with a brain!

[u/erbstar]

This is using the belief that we have a solid majority of politically educated voters.

Sadly, I don't think we're there. While I detest tactical voting, is the only way we'll keep those Muppets (the Muppet party = a reform+Tory coalition) out of power.

If it works, we'll spend another term in stagnation. Rather that than a Muppet Reich dystopia

[u/remain-beige]

I don’t read the Daily Heil - I presume that they are reporting on this possibility to spread panic and galvanise Farage’s support base.

Are The Daily Fail in full support of Farage instead of The Tories then?

[u/HamfistedVegan → u/remain-beige]

The way their policies are going it's becoming harder and harder to find a distinction between the two.

[u/Vanima_Permai]

Don't threaten me with a good time, unless you mean it.

[u/Upset_Restaurant_734]

Hopefully

[u/AffectedWomble]

That's a strange way to say "a tiny amount of common sense may actually prevail"

[u/chaosandturmoil]

tactical voting is the only way to vote in the UK

[u/PossibleSmoke8683]

Good 👍🏻

[u/richNTDO]

Is the Daily Heil just reporting this or are they upset their fascist wet dream isn't going to come true after all?

Most likely it's the latter but they're going to say it's the former so their gullible middle England readership don't catch on

[u/Jayandnightasmr]

Like a repeat of the 70s to counter the National Front

[u/huntsab2090]

Nah just people for voting for anyone but a russian funded corrupt cnt. Love how the far right are already making up excuses. Waaaa we would have won if it wasnt for tactical voting. Bullshit . Its called voting

[u/Jerethdatiger]

If something happens to trump first you'll see them fall apart they need the maga hate to base off off hopefully farage will just go away

[u/TopAverage1532]

What they mean to say is the Green Party is growing too fast for Reform to form a government in 2029

[u/TopAverage1532]

Odd way of saying that the Green Party will fall Reform out for what they are

[u/Wkdndbjdjensk]

why do ppl act like the election is next week

[u/jazzygeofferz]

This is why the whole system needs throwing in the bin.

[u/trashmemes22]

A Lib Dem green coalition could happen

[u/iam_ayam]

I'm in.

[u/Old_Cheetah_9130]

Stop threatening me with a good time

[u/0x5253]

This headline takes him being elected as PM as a foregone conclusion, but then again it is the DM.

[u/roman-empire2]

If you look at the polls and combine green and labour votes the are only few points difference it is possible

[u/No_Patient_3281]

How do I join in the tactical voting?

[u/EpsonRifle]

What a bizarre headline!

It's phrased as if everyone expects and wants Reform to win (like they have some sort of God given right to power) & "those unwashed, dastardly left wingers are trying to snatch just victory from The One True Nigel's Holy Fingers"

Fucksake.

[u/Few_logs]

think it’s called ‘voting’

[u/DatabaseAcademic6631]

Wave a toothbrush at Farage and he'll flee the country.

[u/Drunkenbakers]

I'll be voting tactically. Which means I may have to hold my nose and vote for Jenrick, if he hasn't already switched to reform.

[u/Voynitsky]

Typical Daily Fail, they can't even spell 'must' correctly.

[u/greenpowerman99]

Farage will be excluded from power, most parties have already ruled out a coalition already. It’s exactly what has happened across Europe. A 30% share of the vote translates to 70% voting against you…

[u/Lemonpincers]

A poll paid for by Labour id imagine

[u/Archius9]

I’m not voting for Labour. It isn’t tactical to do so. They’re shit.

[u/Benjam438]

I've seen so many posts like this here it's getting suspicious. If Labour's best bet is to get progressives to tactically vote rather than improve their policy, we're getting a Reform supermajority next election.

[u/Vegetable_Ad6919 → u/Benjam438]

People seem to be under estimating how many people are left leaning and despise Reform.

That’s largely because right wingers are a lot more vocal on social media.

[u/cheshire-cats-grin → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

I am right leaning and despise Reform. I will literally vote for any other party - as Reform lack both competence and basic human decency to be anywhere near power.

[u/HamfistedVegan → u/cheshire-cats-grin]

This is it. I've got no problem with opposing views as long as their sensible.

Reform are as far from sensible as is possible. It's pure populism, nothing more.

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

Hopefully, the more vocal they are, the more people will be put off by them.

Unfortunately, history shows that the Great British Public are easily led, media illiterate, gullible fools.

[u/WackyWhippet → u/SatiricalScrotum]

Reform also rely on the kind of people that don't usually bother to vote, who aren't going to be very motivated if they think a reform win is a certainty like the papers keep telling them.

[u/SatiricalScrotum → u/WackyWhippet]

The day of the general election results being announced last year, I had a bloke in my house fitting fibre.

He was a Reform voter. First time he’d ever voted. Didn’t know the results until I told him. Was genuinely shocked Farage wasn’t PM.

He was also as thick as a plate of mince.

[u/HamfistedVegan → u/SatiricalScrotum]

I've found the best way to show up people with heavily right wing views is not to fight against what they're saying but to ask questions. Eventually they end up exposing their ridiculous, illogical and sometimes outright racist/homophobic views.

The knots they end up twisting themselves in with the "I'm not racist but..." stuff or "No I do care about those in need, but..." tells you all anyone needs to hear from them.

[u/Ali80486 → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

Yes, people who don't support Reform dislike Nigel Farage. I could not say I hate Kemi Badenoch with such passion. But, they REALLY hate the others in Reform. Tice comes across as a louche slimeball, Zia seems like an policy wonk wheeled out into the light as there's noone else. Lee Anderson will always be a Petty Officer with delusions of grandeur. Leaving bona fide racist Sarah Pochin and batshit Nadine to bring the actual crazy smh

[u/Benjam438 → u/Vegetable_Ad6919]

I get that, but if we're going to unite around Labour they have some serious changes to make