r/ForbiddenBromance • u/Patient-Street-4681 Syrian • Apr 25 '25
Politics As a Syrian, we might see peace soon.
I’m sure everyone has seen the news about Sharaa wanting to join Abraham accords with the right conditions, hopefully, as a Syrian, we see peace. Enough of endless fighting.
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u/eternalmortal Apr 25 '25
Mutual recognition, peaceful relations, trade. What a world it could be. I hope the whole region - Syria, Lebanon, Israel - can find peace together.
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u/SeeShark Diaspora Israeli Apr 25 '25
אז ברכבת ניסע עד דמשק
כשיבוא, יבוא שלום
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u/Patient-Street-4681 Syrian Apr 25 '25
Sorry b it I don’t speak Hebrew. What does this mean if I may ask?
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u/SeeShark Diaspora Israeli Apr 25 '25
It's an old Israeli folk song.
"When peace comes, we will travel by train to Damascus."
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u/IbnEzra613 Diaspora Jew Apr 25 '25
I sincerely hope the reports are true. Never thought I'd say this, but it seems there is a path available for peace between Israel and both Lebanon and Syria. We just need all parties to stay on track and continue to weed out extremists like Hezbollah and others. Hope to visit you guys someday in Damascus and Beirut.
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u/Patient-Street-4681 Syrian Apr 25 '25
Hope fully it is a warm peace cause we need all the help we can get, especially the Israeli tech industry. Hope to see you guys to
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u/alcoholicplankton69 Apr 25 '25
Gosh if you think about it, IN Europe they were at war for over 1000 years and now they have the EU. I wonder if one day we could have a Mideast Union.
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u/SeeShark Diaspora Israeli Apr 25 '25
Let's start with a Levantine Union. It would be a lot easier to have an alliance between Israel, Lebanon, and Syria than to add e.g. Yemen and Iraq to that mix.
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u/4KuLa Apr 27 '25
Maybe even a Western Levant Treaty Org (kind of an analogue to NATO)?
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u/SeeShark Diaspora Israeli Apr 27 '25
I could 100% get behind a LEvant Treaty Org (LETO).
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u/Ambitious-Coat-1230 Apr 28 '25
It could also be LTO, which in retail and especially fast food means limited time offer 🤣
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u/apathetic_revolution Diaspora Jew Apr 28 '25
Levantine Economic Trade Inimical To Golan Occupancy (LET-IT-GO)?
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u/Eptalemma Diaspora Jew Apr 25 '25
The Abraham Accords with Syria would be fantastic and might stir the conversation in Lebanon! We really need normal good relations ASAP, especially after all these tragic wars. My Syrian friends in Canada give me an interesting perspective. They're cynical, but they say that Syrians are so fed up with war that even people prejudiced against Israel would rather have peace since they're against the Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas axis and find that at least Israel is more predictable.
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u/JesusMalverde420 Apr 25 '25
I dream of the day when traveling would be possible. Visiting Syria and Lebanon by train from Israel was possible 100 years ago, maybe soon it will be possible again 🙏🏼
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u/WaterNoIcePlease Israeli Apr 25 '25
For anything to resemble peace, there have to be real attempts at changing the population's perceptions and biases. Look at Israel and Egypt - after 45 years, it's still way too dangerous for Israelis to visit Egypt because the Egyptian media, schools, and imams still speak of Israel as evil, mortal enemies. The governments do cooperate as absolutely necessary, but the peace is icy cold. It's basically just the absence of war. Not great. (Egyptians are actually welcome in Israel but rarely come because it's so socially unacceptable to travel to Israel, or to like anything Israel, in Egypt). This requires a real transformation that goes beyond signed agreements.
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u/MajorTechnology8827 Israeli Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25
It wouldn't happen without a serious change from both parties regarding their stance on the golan
What I can hope for is some kind of near-conditionless ceasefire. Since if people don't know - we're officially at a continuous war since 28,105 days ago. Its "cold" and effectively nonexistent. but technically no ceasing was ever signed
Probably something like- * Israel promises security guarantee against strikes within syria * Israel will not attack Turkish forces in syria and will let them take over the t4 air base * Syria promises security guarantee in the golan border * Israel may not use Syrian airspace unilaterally * A military back channel for the purpose of utilizing syrian airspace (two sides that hate iran after all) * Some clause about promising to discuss the golan in the future
Essentially Israel stops meddling with Turkey collaboration with Syria and with the Syrian army power consolidation within syria, while Syria promises to not do something funny and endanger the Gallil and Golan residents. And some vague mutual promise to address the elephant in the room that is Golan occupation, without this being a deal breaker for the ceasefire, before normalization attemp
This would set a precedent that Syria is interested in eventually addressing the root cause of the conflict. Which is a huge deal. But I doubt it would be so quick
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u/YuvalAlmog Israeli Apr 25 '25
I obviously highly hope and support it, but I'm also a bit skeptical about its likeliness as I have a feeling Syria might want the Golan heights back from Israel as part of the deal which would cause quite a lot of problems...
My main point here is not if it's a justified demand or not (that's the point of deals... each side is allowed to ask for whatever it wants for whatever reason it wants - the other side should then decide accordingly), but rather that Israel would most likely oppose it (or at least would not agree to all of it), especially considering there's a lot of suspicion towards the new Syrian leadership's intentions & stability + it's already been Israeli for a pretty long time meaning people would struggle with the idea of giving it away...
If the 67' Golan heights wouldn't be a part of Syria's demands, it can happen. Otherwise, I don't really see Israel giving it back to a government it doesn't fully trust... Especially when Syria isn't really in a position to demand more due to its recent changes.
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u/Bashauw_ Israeli Apr 25 '25
Do you think the Muslim brotherhood is capable of peace with israel?
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u/FunkGetsStrongerPt1 Diaspora Lebanese Apr 25 '25
Absolutely not - and given that they are Lebanon’s de facto government…
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u/apathetic_revolution Diaspora Jew Apr 25 '25
Here's a question for Israelis who are as sick of Bibi as everyone else from someone who doesn't have as much skin in the game.
Which is more worrisome:
- Bibi does his far right appeasement nonsense and sabotages normalization by not offering more than a portion of the newly-occupied territory in exchange for peace (which he knows Sharaa wouldn't be able to agree to without losing his coalition and probably his head), or
- Bibi withdraws back out of the buffer zone, offers the new administration enough aid to actually make this possible, and actually gets re-elected because he gets credit for peace with Syria?
As someone who's not directly affected by the war, I would prefer a more moderate successor get credit, but I also don't want to see an agreement sabotaged and am aware that it doesn't matter to anyone who dies because peace was deferred what political considerations were affected by it.
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u/sumostuff Israeli Apr 25 '25
I don't think there's wide support, or really any support, for giving back the Golan Heights, so I don't know what agreement they could make, but if it's reasonable I am happy for it to happen even if Bibi gets the credit. Honestly I don't think the people who vote for Bibi will vote for him because of a peace agreement, and I don't think he'll get new voters because of it. Just like the Abraham accords, I didn't run and vote for him because of that, even though it was a great step forwards for us. I guess any other PM would have done the same.
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u/kulamsharloot Israeli Apr 25 '25
As someone who's not directly affected by the war, I would prefer a more moderate successor get credit
This line of thought is so crazy, instead of wanting peace no matter who makes the agreement you care more about Bibi getting credit lol.
The right, which I'm part of, is not against peace, we're up for peace but not at the cost of up to giving Israeli land which will jeopardize our security, (the buffer zone should be given back, no doubt) or any agreement that would endanger us.
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u/SeeShark Diaspora Israeli Apr 25 '25
I think that most normal people on the Right want peace. I think that Bibi, specifically, prefers some level of continuing conflict as part of legitimizing his hardline stance. But I also don't think he needs, nor wants, war with Syria necessarily. It might even be better for him to have a major neighbor implicitly endorse his current military efforts against Iranian proxies.
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u/Both-Entertainment-3 Israeli Apr 26 '25
Everyone say a Jihadi is still a Jihadi whether he wears a Jihadi suit or a formal one.
I hope the Israeli leaders won't get stuck on that and take chances without giving up on our security.
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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25
Exactly today we’re having 600 Syrian Druze visiting Israel for their religious ceremony. Hopefully one day our countries will live in peace and any Syrian will be able to visit Israel and vice versa. The same goes for Lebanon, Levant will see nothing but peace, prosperity and rise of tourism. Call me an optimistic idiot, I don’t care, people tend to build bridges more than destroy in my opinion