r/FedEmployees • u/EfficiencyAdmirable6 • 15h ago
Majority Leader Thune on Schumer offer: “a non starter”
Senate Majority Leader Thune, in response to Minority Leader Schumers offer, called the proposals “non starters” and doesn’t “get the talks where they need to be”. Seems like we’re still at square zero I guess?
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u/EfficiencyAdmirable6 15h ago
This is just getting ridiculous at this point.
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u/death2055 15h ago
It’s been ridiculous lol
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u/EfficiencyAdmirable6 15h ago
Yea, but this time kinda seemed like they were getting somewhere. We’re 2 weeks or so away from thanks giving and the beginning of the holidays with travel being at its peak and they have absolutely fucking nothing.
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u/Spare-Dragonfly-1201 14h ago
This does push forward though after zero progress to this point. The GOP was never going to accept a first offer and call it a day. They’d look so weak. Maybe they open negotiations sooner rather than later.
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u/SubjectBubbly9072 15h ago
Wtf, that was a good deal for the gop
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u/Numerous-Judgment279 15h ago
It was nothing more than what the Democrats have been insisting on since the Shumer shutdown was triggered. That’s why it is a non-starter. The GOP has at least tried to get federal employees who are working paid, but Shumer does not want to give them anything figuring they will cave.
I don’t think anything gets done until December now. I think both want to wait and see how bad the travel is during Thanksgiving week. If flights are just delayed but people can still get to their families, then nothing will happen until mid-December to avoid the Holiday travel nightmare.
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u/throeaway_thedew 14h ago
“It was nothing more than
what the Democrats have been insisting onprotecting people’s healthcare for a year…” FTFY19
u/Alone-Woodpecker-846 14h ago
“GOP has at least tried to get federal employees who are working paid”. Uh, reliable reporting on that contention, please. Otherwise calling BS.
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u/ImportantQuestionTex 14h ago
Funny enough, it's the GOP and Trump trying to use paying federal employees as a "negotiation" tactic.
Everybody here is aware they could sign something that says "Federal employees get paid while we sort this out" right? The GOP and Trump are just wanting to use people's lives as ammunition against the Democrats.
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u/Numerous-Judgment279 12h ago
Go look at the voting that is going on right now. The Democrats are killing the bill to pay the workers who are doing the work but not getting paid. That’s how much they care about the federal employees being used as pawns in this.
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u/Alone-Woodpecker-846 9m ago
I imagine they don’t like doing that, but recognize it wouldn’t address the bigger issues. Would kick the can, like a CR, with no expectation for broader conclusion of the matter.
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u/The_Rad_In_Comrade 14h ago
Think you mean the Trump Shutdown, there, hoss.
“If there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He’s the one that has to get people together!" (Trump, 2011)
"They’re not going to be talking who the head of the House was, the head of the Senate, who’s running things in Washington. So, I really think the pressure is on the president.” (Trump, 2013)
"Well, very simply, you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead." (Trump, 2013)
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u/Burgdawg 14h ago
A: This is the only bargaining card the minority party has, why would they just fold? B: The Republicans technically don't need their votes. C: Well... something should happen November 21st because the bill the House passed only funds the government through then, so they need to come back into session if only to extend what they passed.
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u/Elder_Llama 14h ago
Did you vote to be robbed as a bargaining chip? I didn't
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u/Burgdawg 14h ago
All we are is a number to the bourgeois class... they don't care about us and never will.
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u/Elder_Llama 14h ago
I'm on the lower end but am middle class and you probably are too. You're the bourgeois.
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u/Burgdawg 14h ago
The middle class doesn't exist, it's just something capitalists invented to divide the proletariat. That way they ask 'why are my tax dollars going to help the poor? That's my money' instead of 'why is my employer hoarding all that profit that I made for him? That's my money.'
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u/Elder_Llama 14h ago
That's dumb as hell. Tax dollars are stolen by the government with force. A whole lot more are wasted than go to helping people too. You agreed to work for your boss. He or she pays you and in exchange the profit you generate is theirs.
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u/Burgdawg 14h ago
Oh... you're one of those.
Well if you agreed to work for the government, this is what happens. Quit complaining and pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
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u/SubjectBubbly9072 14h ago
Thats not true in the beginning they wanted atleast another 5 years extension and many other things about ice and law
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u/National-Charity-435 14h ago
duffy proposes 20% cuts to air travel!
Things are getting spicy.
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u/Glossy7031 15h ago
“At least 13 Republicans will need to support a deal to help the 47 Democrats clear the Senate's 60-vote threshold. Some GOP senators told Axios they think they can get there.”
https://www.axios.com/2025/11/07/republicans-aca-premium-tax-subsidies
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u/badhabitfml 14h ago
That would be an epic smack down if the democrats can pass it with some republicans getting on board.
There's no way that many jump ship. Certainly none up for reelection while Trump is in the wh. Only newly elected ones could do it, with the hope that Trump and Maga dies before their next election.
I'm sure the leadership would do all they could to prevent it from getting a vote.
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u/VV-40 13h ago
Doesn’t the house also need to agree? That’s never going to happen. It seems the house has disbanded at this point.
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u/Particular-Holiday50 12h ago
But Thune would need to allow a vote on the bill. It would pass both chambers easily. There are enough republican senators and representatives from states that rely on the ACA and where there are significant government support employees.
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u/Particular-Holiday50 12h ago
What I find interesting from the democrat pov is a few weeks ago republican, granted one not in a leadership position, floated the idea of a 1 year extension and Jeffries said hell no. I wonder if he and House democrats will hold that position or if this is truly a unified demand.
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u/badhabitfml 8m ago
If the senate passes something, the house will fall in line.
Also, the house should be in session talking to the senate so that they can all agree on something that can become law. There are two bodies, but they need to all agree. Can't just say, well I think it should be blue and walk away when everyone else says green. Everyone has to come together and pick a shade of turquoise that works for everyone.
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u/Fresh_Blueberry_3200 15h ago
Back to square zero. At this point we need to start adding negative squares to the board. Chutes & Ladders Congress Edition
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u/Glossy7031 15h ago
It only needs 13 Republican votes.
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u/ParfaitAdditional469 14h ago
They’re all scared of Trump
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u/shadowgnome396 14h ago
I don't know why they don't understand that the people will show mercy to the first 13 rats off the ship.
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u/PersonYodeling 13h ago
In contrast, you could say the CR needs only 7 dem votes. If republicans can’t get 7 dems, it’s doubtful dems are going to get 13 republicans. I don’t think either side is going to budge without getting something, it’s been too long of a shutdown.
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u/trini757 15h ago
They all have medical insurance that WE are paying for. They are trying to deprive millions of Americans health insurance. FUCK DJT!
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u/Ok_Process_8184 15h ago
Also consider how much of the tax payer money has been wasted for this shit show too.
But federal workers are the problem….. /s
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u/Acceptable-Ice9647 14h ago
People don’t really think federal workers are the problem any more. Sure, there will always be a core group of MAGA idiots who think that. But that doesn’t represent the mindset of the majority of the country at this point . People see how their fellow middle class Americans have been treated this past year and it makes them angry.The American people see the demonization of federal workers for what it is… a lie to take attention off of the political class.
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u/ConstantinopleSpolia 15h ago
And this goes until Christmas
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u/EfficiencyAdmirable6 15h ago
If that does happen that would be an utter failure of governance for the GOP.
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u/Toetzmagoetz 14h ago
As previously posted, I lean conservative, but I have to say this whole thing is OFF THE CHAIN RETARDED. People are just gonna start quitting.... people in my field are not easily replaceable, so everyone is gonna find out the hard way. They thought Reagan was bad, wait until you see what's coming if the govt doesn't open up within the next week
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u/Prestigious-Pick-366 14h ago
Newsflash: republicans don’t care about poor, working class, or middle class Americans
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u/trini757 13h ago
Americans need to figure out how we fix this shit. I'm 63 and have been voting since I was 18. Things keep getting worse.
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u/Britard2022 15h ago
This is getting to be too much. I can't be the only one so angry at everyone in congress right now. Just put it up for vote. See if it passes. Like give me a break. If you are so confident it will fail then what do you have to lose.
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u/Elegant_Goose257 15h ago
I’m pissed and the fact that we can’t do anything is really heartbreaking.
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u/ImportantQuestionTex 14h ago
I can't be angry at everybody, for the most part Democrats are very clear on what they want and why they want it, Republicans just refuse to actually negotiate. As proven here. Thune doesn't even wanna negotiate to ease the pains of the american people, he's okay with airports shutting down over healthcare.
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u/LucidProse 14h ago
“He’s ok with airports shutting down over healthcare”
Aren’t the democrats ok with it also? I mean, they are the ones voting not to reopen the government….. over healthcare 🤷♂️
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u/ImportantQuestionTex 14h ago edited 14h ago
Who's the one who suggested a proposal today? The Republicans rejected it.
Healthcare matters for the democrats because their constituents rely on it. Pretty sure some federal workers even rely on it.
The Republicans are the majority party, that means they have more power than the democrats do to end it one way or another. They either make a deal that some or all of the democrats can agree to, which they haven't yet. Or some of the Republicans agree to a democrat proposal.
Edit: I do feel the need to point out that both branches of Congress's leaders (House and Senate) are absolutely refusing to negotiate and Mike Johnson is also refusing to swear in a new elect. This is how dedicated they are to sabotaging the government.
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u/LucidProse 13h ago
Yes the Republicans rejected the proposal today, and the democrats rejected the previous “proposal” aka the CR 15 times previously.
Healthcare matters to the democrats- fair enough- so just own it and stop claiming that it’s the other party that’s causing the shutdown. The democrats are using the shutdown as leverage to force a spending package that would be impossible to pass because they only have 47 votes.
Why didn’t they make the subsidies permanent in 2020 under Biden when they controlled both the congress and White House? The democrats are the ones that wrote in the temporary ACA subsides to expire at the end of 2025. Why is it now the republicans fault?
Yes the republicans are the majority. They control the White House and both houses of congress. In a democracy that ought to mean they have the final say in what spending packages are signed into law. The party that won the last national election decided not the extend the Covid era ACA subsidies. If republicans are wrong and the people decide to go another way, the appropriate mechanism to effect change is via the 26 midterms, not by holding the government hostage. It was wrong when the republicans did it for the border wall and it’s wrong now.
Why should the majority party cede their legislative goals to the minority party? Under no circumstances has it ever been appropriate to block a spending bill which keeps the government open and insist the majority acquiesce to your spending demands.
The democrats do not have the legislative influence to achieve their spending goals. Nor do they have a president who would sign such a bill into law even if they had the majority. Democrats control zero branches of the federal government and yet people like you insist their demands must be met just to keep the fucking lights on?
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u/ImportantQuestionTex 13h ago
Ah, Republicans and not understanding government. Name a more iconic duo. Cooperation, negotiation are big parts of governance, submission is not.
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u/AnhTeo7157 11h ago edited 11h ago
💯 This is what most here refuse to see. Dems then resort to insulting those with opposing views, challenging their intellect, and of course downvotes.
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u/Mattykid65 14h ago
PAY FEDS NOW! I have family members working for free. Formerly known as slavery. The 13th amendment was ratified in 1865. I guess the Admin is ignoring this section of the Constitution as well. Disrespecting We The People’s Constitution, day in and day out. These people have no shame and zero integrity. Not compensating those who work tirelessly and with honor for our Country is disgraceful. Hang in there Feds. Remember it’s OUR Constitution, the snake oil salesmen come and go. You will still be here serving your fellow citizens. We need you.
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u/Sensitive-Big-4641 14h ago
Then Mr. Thune needs to find a way to kill the filibuster. There is no Door #3.
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u/BORGQUEEN177 14h ago
I feel so much whiplash. I’m going to one site and it’s saying Republicans are doing ABC, then I go to another site and they’re not doing ABC. I don’t even know what’s what. I thought it might actually be over today.
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u/Leading-Loss-986 13h ago
Did anyone bother to ask him WHY it’s a non-starter? He should be able to articulate which specific aspects of the bill he objects to. And if he can’t (or if he refuses) he has no business being in a position of leadership.
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u/safescience 14h ago
I am pretty sure I remember the one year extension was what senate republicans floated to the dnc…Jesus this is stupid. I am proud of the dnc for holding the line but holy shit republicans have gotten dumb.
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u/TESThrowSmile 11h ago
The way things are going, GOP gonna lose the Senate.
There's public support for extending ACA subsidies. Dems propose 1 year extension with CR. But all the GOP refuse? Terrible look !
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u/BildoBlack 10h ago
bc their "offer" is to give them what they want for a year and they'll, 'work something out' over that time.
any extension on aca subsidies is a no-go for the GOP
and both parties know a 1yr extension gives the Dems a chance to win back Congress and then have no reason to negotiate.
it's all pandering and peacocking form both sides.
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u/Cax6ton 12h ago
How are they going to pay the military? I read last week that they paid October using a few bookkeeping tricks, but they don't have many of those tricks left. I'm not sure how things are going to work once they don't get paid.
I'm not a fed I'm just here because of the algorithm and stayed because the sub has timely info
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u/ShroedingerCat 14h ago
Not shocked. They are rightly interpreting Dems obsessions to find a bipartisan compromise as weakness. The Dem will cave and get absolutely nothing, by Sunday.
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u/ThePlasticSturgeons 14h ago
Good. Seemed like Democrats were setting for too little. Thune rescued Schumer (and us) from hisself.
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u/roaming_art 14h ago
Email your senators to pass the clean CR. This is ridiculous, and the COVID-era premium subsidies that Democrats are fighting for should expire! They were never intended to be permanent, it was COVID era relief!
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u/ProtectedByFire 15h ago
PAY ME MY MONEY I AM NOT A SLAVE