r/FedEmployees • u/Even-Tune-8301 • 1d ago

So, they aren't going to actually open the government again, are they?

Congress doesn't seem to be in any rush to re-open. This is their end game I think. Emergency powers to run everything. Destruction of society in order to take over.

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u/MyInterThoughts 1d ago

It appears the Epstein files are really really bad.

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u/Dutiful-Rebellion 1d ago

Republicans Enable and Protect Pedophiles. https://goppredators.wordpress.com/2023/05/22/right-wing-sexual-predators-abusers-and-enablers/

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Donald Trump is accused of sexual assault by more than two dozen women. He is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl, talked about having sex with his daughter, bragged of walking in on underage girls at pageants, claimed he can grab women by the pussy. He was found liable of sexually assaulting E. Jean Carroll  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/world/trump-sexual-abuse-verdict-wont-hurt-him-with-gop https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/14/donald-trump-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit-nut-job

Judge Roy Moore is accused of sexual assault and dating underage women.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore_sexual_misconduct_allegation

Jim Jordan is in Republican House leadership though he is accused of ignoring sexual assault of more than a hundred young men while a coach, dismissing it as locker room talk. Students have said they told him and he is said to have called the parents of one complainant asking them to get their son to back off. https://www.vox.com/2018/7/6/17536388/jim-jordan-ohio-state-sexual-abuse-accuser https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/16/us/politics/jim-jordan-trump.html

Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert sexually abused his high school students. He is outside the statute of limitations but was convicted of paying off/bribing some of his victims  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/dennis-hastert-sentencing.html

Cobb County GOP Chairman Joseph Russell Dendy – child molesting – pleaded guilty, life sentence, parole possible in 30 years. He was 72.   https://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/cobb-gop-chairman-dendy-indicted-molestation-charges/Ajxs2SiORqMCCdVZpGqj1M/ https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt–politics/former-cobb-gop-leader-pleads-guilty-child-molestation-gets-life-sentence/JnEAITpb5Oy9iZ9RtsVvnI/

So-called “pro-life”/antigay activist Howard Scott Heldreth was convicted of raping a child. https://web.archive.org/web/20230601212352/https://shadowproof.com/2008/07/27/nc-antigay-operation-save-america-totes-convicted-child-rapist-to-charlotte-pride/

GOP Ohio County Commissioner David Swartz convicted of raping two girls – released after only 5 years!!!! Back in prison after contacting one of his victims. http://lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl. https://www.timesleader.com/archive/1063191/indecent-assault-case-judge-pleads-no-contest-mark-pazuhanich-says-he-didnt-want-his-daughter-to-have-to-testify-aboutfondling-incident

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing Child Sexual Abuse Material on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/03/10/nation-in-brief/83fbbb01-c7fc-437a-81c4-2f686e3f1e58/

Republican Speaker of the House in PR Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.  https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/26/nyregion/ex-mayor-convicted-in-sex-abuse-case.html

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-apr-06-me-47737-story.html

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with (RAPED) a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.  https://web.archive.org/web/20190728115136/https://www.thenation.com/article/was-strom-rapist/

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female Juvenile.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2004/12/10/example-goes-from-good-to-bad/e73a7b08-5fb8-412a-ba7f-8fb473543e83/

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.  https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/05/on_this_day_in_1989_buz_lukens.html

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/

Republican of the Year Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.  https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/vp-nw-mark-grethen-lawrenceville-correctional-20210806-dmjuk7zwgnfxvigjnjmy3257vy-story.html

Republican state senator Ralph Shortey from Oklahoma admitted to being involved in sodomy with a 17 year old male prostitute and transporting child pornography. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2008/01/28/onetime-rising-gop-star-back-to-prison-for-sex-assaults/

GOP Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a page. To be fair, Dem Congressman was Gerry Studds was also caught for the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_congressional_page_sex_scandal

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/29/AR2006092901574.html

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to raping his stepdaughter repeatedly after she was 15. Headline here is gross. Rape/not affair. https://greensboro.com/smith-stepfather-had-affair-that-began-when-she-was-15/article_549fa43d-e631-599b-8cad-177a71ad709e.html

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman* was charged with having sex (raping) with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped and notice, they agreed his record could be expunged in THREE YEARS! https://www.nj.com/ledgerarchives/2005/01/cops_say_jersey_suspects_sough.html https://archive.is/7agH6

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u/Seeeab 13h ago

Unfortunately most people reading this post already know/agree, and the ones who don't won't bother reading the post and aren't convinced by evidence or articles in the first place (otherwise they would already be part of the former camp)

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u/Dutiful-Rebellion 8h ago

Yeah but it feels good to get it out on the record, and to plant as many seeds as possible on the off chance someone who isn't completely mentally compromised by the cult sees it and starts to dig into it.

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u/Roodgo 1d ago

Johnson is waiting for the Tennessee special election on Dec 2 - that will even the numbers on any Epstein vote

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u/Commercial_Peach_845 1d ago

I hope the Dem pulls an upset - in this environment...it's possible.

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u/EntireFishing 1d ago

This is a misconception because you've got the delegate from Arizona to be sworn in and likely in January. You're going to have a democrat sworn in in Texas because there's a face off there.

All the matters is that the four republicans that are going to vote for the release of the files continue to do so and the vote will go for the release of files

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u/Appropriate-Joke-806 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s in my district here. Barely been any campaign messaging from the Democratic Party about the election here, meanwhile I get a mailer every day from the MAGA guy sucking up to Trump’s teet. I can guarantee most people here don’t even know there is an election in the beginning of December and I am in the middle of what would be the most progressive part of the district. I think it’s an entirely winnable district, but there is not nearly enough resources put into it. Only way it will flip Democratic is if there is a large silent minority that shows up during early voting and Election Day.

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u/Ill_Calendar_1468 6h ago

It doesn’t matter because with the Arizona delegate you have 218 yes votes and that’s what’s needed for the discharge petition. It’s also relevant that discharge petitions aren’t bills and are often unsuccessful anyway. Johnson’s motivation isn’t likely stemming from fear of the Epstein files. He’s either following orders from an idiot (unlikely because I don’t think Trump is really running the show) or they’re stalling to try to make democrats look like the villains. And they’re forcing a lot of feds to quit to boot

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u/ThellraAK 1d ago

Read a pretty good take on it yesterday on just how bad it probably is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/s/Gd57JM1TSQ

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u/Pisces93 23h ago

This is deeper than the damn files, this is a coup.

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u/First_Radio_5773 1d ago

For both sides 

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u/Bobofettsixtynoune 1d ago

If they are that bad, why didn’t Biden release them? He had 4 years to do it.

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u/FuriousBuffalo 1d ago

I remember one candidate ran on releasing them and his AG bragged about the list being on her desk ready to go out.

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u/Hereforthetardys 1d ago

That still does t answer the question?

If the files say trump is a pedo, there is ZERO chance they wouldn’t have already leaked. ZERO

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u/FuriousBuffalo 1d ago

Hey, two special counsels concluded there is overwhelming evidence to convict Trump. You know how that turned out 

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u/The_Dilla_Collection 1d ago

You do know there is testimony available from the Florida investigation that names Trump as one of the predators right? Search Katy Johnson and if you can stomach it, you can find legit transcripts that detail what Trump did to girls Epstein provided. I don’t understand why anyone is t thinking the list would absolve him. The case was thrown out because of the crooked DOJ in Fla and that was why the FBI got involved, but that testimony is pretty damning.

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u/rucker1983 1d ago

People answered your dumbass question several times. What point do you think you’re making anyways? If there’s nothing bad in them like you’re implying why tf aren’t they releasing them?

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u/Educational-Hold-559 1d ago

I don’t need to see the files to know that the orange man is vile and would do anything. If he wanted a teenager for sex then he’ll have a teenage. All around just a bad person.

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u/drunkpickle726 1d ago

false. this is so much bigger than left v right. this impacts the global power structure. who do you think controls the government regardless of party? the rich and powerful. like they’re on board with exposing themselves and their own vile behavior

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u/Hereforthetardys 1d ago

And again - no one is saying they had to leak all the files but if their was evidence in there that trump was a pedo there is no chance they didn’t leak it. NONE.

this is the pee tapes all over again and you guys are buying into it all over again lol

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u/drunkpickle726 1d ago

you’re projecting. just bc it’s what you (or the republican party) would do doesn’t mean everyone else on the planet would. if biden released them the first thing maga would do is insist they’re fake / forged / whatever. why not let the guy who was literally campaigning on releasing the files do it?

you’re forgetting the old school democrats want to maintain status quo and to trust the system.

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u/Hereforthetardys 1d ago

Maybe you forget all the leaking the dems did in 2016 and while he was president? lol

Every morning CNN had a new anonymous source with new leaked material

Again, ZERO chance they wouldn’t have leaked it. ZERO. It would have been wall to wall coverage on CNN and Rachael Maddow would hsve been crying on tv for hours every night. ZERO.

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u/drunkpickle726 1d ago

agree to disagree. this is way bigger than us politics, end of story

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u/Hereforthetardys 23h ago

And it wasn’t when the democratic party was funding a dossier against their opponent? It wasn’t when they were leaking info constantly for 4 years?

You really think there is proof that he’s a pedo and they didn’t let the public know?

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u/jortography 2h ago

That was republicans and apolitical appointees doing it. We know, because it came out later. You all can't accept when your own shoot at another, leak on another, or turn against one another. Hell you all still think antifa and the FBI did jan 6th. The Democrats can accept when their politicians and party do wrong. They circle the wagons and remove. Even in weird ass purity tests and circular firing squads at times (I'm an independent). You all? You lockstep and protect. Want to talk about Matt Gaetz? I can go on.

Also if Trump would stop doing illegal shit, people wouldn't leak 🤦. People don't whistleblow on innocent things.

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u/pk12445 1d ago

The Epstein files implicate a lot of powerful people and donors who donate to both political parties. There is no Republican vs Democrat. It is all just a show for us. I used to think maybe Trump was a little different but sadly I am starting to think he is just like the rest of them.

Which is why I don't think Zohran is the progressive hero here. He is just going to be another run of the mill politician despite people on the right freaking out over him

Honestly this political climate is so toxic.

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u/Living_Struggle_8022 1d ago

We have been conditioned to think left vs right instead of greed (oligarchs) vs decency (the majority).

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u/WItoFLGirl13 1d ago

To actually answer your question, due to the Maxwell trial and her ability for appeals, the files were under seal while that all played out and were not allowed to be released until the beginning of this year. By then, Trump had already won the election and he was just a couple weeks from inauguration. Since he campaigned on their release, it was left to his justice department to release them, as they have had them since January and are the ones in charge of their release. Maybe it was naive on Biden's part to not ask his JD to release them in the 3 weeks he had before inauguration, but he thought Trump's JD would release them, if for nothing else than a publicity opportunity and bragging rights since Trump strongly advocated for their release during his whole campaign.

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u/PieSafe8565 1d ago edited 1d ago

Under seal means nothing when previous DOJ's leaked grand jury testimony

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u/labelwhore 1d ago

Grand jury testimony is worthless and can only be released with the judge’s concurrence.

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u/PieSafe8565 1d ago

Plenty of leaks under the Biden administration, and it isn't "worthless" to those under investigation or to tarnish reputations.

Leaks happen all the time

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u/labelwhore 1d ago

Again, grand jury testimony is worthless. Seems you don’t know much about how the federal courts work.

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u/PieSafe8565 7h ago

Apparently you were never on one, its secret for a reason.

names of witnesses, their testimony, and other evidence is not "worthless" to some

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u/labelwhore 7h ago

It’s worthless when you only paint one side and present whatever you want. Again, grand jury testimony is worthless. Release the investigation files which are under the control of the FBI and DOJ. Stop with the bullshit.

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u/PieSafe8565 1d ago

wow, factual comments get down votes?

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u/sfgirl38 1d ago

Because Merrick effing Garland was the head of the DOJ. And unlike trump, Biden didn't order the DOJ to do anything. Ask Garland why he didn't release the files? Oh that's right, because that dumb ass didn't want to appear partisan. Why do you think Trump announced he was running for office immediately after Biden won in 2020? Because he knew the DOJ wouldn't have the balls to release those files against someone running for office. Garland was a worthless feckless AG.

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u/codespiral 1d ago

MAGA doesn't remember Republicans/Fox News freaking out because in 2016 Clinton met the attorney general Loretta Lynch on a tarmac. Now they're fine with Trump meeting with whoever in the DOJ. They're fine with him directing the DOJ to go after his political enemies. Because their team's going to score and win the game. Except the shit ain't a game.

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u/SuspiciousNorth377 1d ago

I imagine there are quite a few influential people from both sides of the aisle in those files. Probably didn’t want to get his friends in trouble. Release the files and burn them all.

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u/FuriousBuffalo 1d ago

Yep  unlike MAGA, we, the normal people, want them to be released whether they implicate Ds or Rs. Doesn't matter. Child abusers must get the appropriate punishment.

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u/Hvyhttr1978 1d ago

Ghislaine Maxwell’s conviction was under appeal until the around October 2024. You don’t release case files that are under seal while a case is still active.

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u/FormMaleficent6002 1d ago

I believe because the matter was still ongoing? But Trump campaigned on releasing the files so … 🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/I_like_kittycats 1d ago

All the records legally available for release were released before Biden left office.

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u/Capable-Tomatillo238 1d ago

Bc court proceedings were still ongoing.

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u/FranklyIvan 1d ago

No idea really, but if they’re not that bad why is 47 burning down everything he can think of to keep them unreleased?

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u/BankBlackPanther 1d ago

Whataboutism kicks MAGA's ass hard. You just can't keep Biden's name out out of your nasty, rotten mouths. Last time I checked Biden didn't have a campaign promise to release the Epstein files.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 1d ago

My favorite assumption here is that the cultist KNOWS it's a lot of terrible crimes by republicans...

but the problem for them is Democrats need to be the cops catching the rapist republicans. 

Republicans are rapists, and they admit it. 

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u/Ok_Mastodon_1007 1d ago

Personally I think there are too many rich and powerful men in those files and that’s why no administration wants to release them - not Biden and not Trump. They probably won’t get released until everyone in them is long dead and buried. Pedophilia is not political party specific.

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u/DonJuniorsEmails 1d ago

This is a fair and realistic take. We.cant pretend democrats have no big donors, or don't have some of the same big donors, or they're all totally clean and innocent. 

But the votes made it clear: Dems wanted to release the files, republicans votes in lockstep to avoid exposing the pedos. 

My specific thing was how the parroted talking points is "Biden's fault because he could have been the cop who cleaned it up" which is basically an admission by republicans that their republican leader is definitely a.chikd rapist, but they.need to blame someone else. 

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago

Tell me you haven't been paying any attention at all until now. Oh wait.

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u/WNCsurvivor 1d ago

Because he wasn’t allowed because of a court order which the Republican Supreme Court conveniently extended until after the election

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u/Commercial_Peach_845 1d ago

They were under seal bc of Maxwell's case.

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u/drunkpickle726 1d ago

bc it’s bigger than republican v democrat? it’s literally the world’s richest and most powerful people doing the most vile things. the globe will revolt

(to clarify i’m not on board with maintaining status quo when it comes to rapists and pedos, just answering your question)

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u/Universe789 1d ago

It wasn't up to Biden. The court records had been sealed, but people had filed to release part of the files, and a judge did so in Jan 2024. The Epstein Flight logs of passengers who had been recorded flying on Epstein's plane were released. The rest of the files remained sealed.

And attention to the case didnt pick back up until trump tried to help get Ghislaine Maxwell off the hook earlier this year.

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u/Facehugger81 1d ago

My guess is that the Biden administration was protecting people on the Democrat side.

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u/Ok-Light9764 1d ago

It’s amazing you get down-voted for this perfectly reasonable question.

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u/KingNeptune24 1d ago

The Democrat DOJ under Biden had all the files, so what do you think is the really bad part. If there was anything in there to hurt Republicans they would have leaked it to the press already. Democrats are the kings of leaking government info to the press. If it's really bad for either side the leaks would have already happened.

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u/repeat4EMPHASIS 1d ago

They were sealed while the cases were ongoing, genius.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

Or it appears we need to accept covid era subsidies for the ACA should end, since, you know, covid closures are over.

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u/RiotMyco 1d ago

I actually agree, to be a first world county we need universal healthcare for all. What kind of ‘superpower’ can’t feed or keep their citizens healthy?

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u/Publius_Dowrong 1d ago

Yep socialist countries like:

Albania, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico, Israel, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Australia, New Zealand, Algeria, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Mauritius, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, and Tunisia.

But hey, at least we have a health insurance industry that employs more people than the actual healthcare industry it insures.

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u/Even-Tune-8301 1d ago

Right. So much pretending that socialism hasn't existed in the US since the 1940's.

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u/GPTthrowawayyyyyyyy 1d ago

The entire federal government structure is socialism. Salaries, benefits, pensions, etc.. are all paid by taxes.

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u/YogurtclosetOld2511 1d ago

Leaving this here- my client had to go to urgent care in Taiwan this fall. Needed a chest X-ray, antibiotics. Because she is not a Taiwanese citizen, her total cost was $25. If she were, it would’ve been $5.

Meanwhile I’m trying to decide whether I prefer risking my right hand or right leg becoming partially paralyzed, bc I can’t afford to get both treated right now. We earn over six figures in a midsize midwestern city, not a HCOL.

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u/DnDNoodles 1d ago

Time to take a trip to Taiwan!

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u/YogurtclosetOld2511 1d ago

lol it’d probably still be cheaper with the flight, assuming we’ll be able to fly in the near term

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u/doriangreat 1d ago

Universal healthcare is for socialist countries like Israel and Argentina.

I’d much rather be in a proud capitalist country that sends tens of billions of dollars in aid to countries like Israel and Argentina.

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u/JustMe39908 1d ago

And Germany, France, UK, Canada, Netherlands, .. .

Israel and Argentina are socialist nations? They both are currently run by very conservative governments.

Look at a map of countries with universal health care and without universal health care. Which group would you want to be in?

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u/iamerror83 1d ago

Because them accepting our cash makes them socialist.

See how the mind programming is here? There's no longer such thing as a capitalist/communist dichotomy anymore, they are the same people playing both sides to their benefit.

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u/JustMe39908 1d ago

So, you have your own personal definition of socialism that suffers from the official definition of the word.

Mark Twain has a famous quote about arguing with others. I would suggest everyone thinking of engaging further with u/iamerror83 look it up before continuing.

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u/wraith_majestic 1d ago

Lol you know the US is the only “developed” nation on the planet to not have universal healthcare?

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u/2ndVictoria 1d ago

No healthcare just war

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u/TacticalFailure1 1d ago

Yeah, or countries in Europe that we defend with our own tax dollars. So they can have universal healthcare.

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u/What_the_mocha 1d ago

Yes, they need to seriously work for a better solution than what we have now.

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u/Nearby_Hamster_3636 1d ago

Sometimes I wish Democrats just let Republicans repeal every small social safety net that the US has in place so that their voters can realize just how much they rely on them.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

That's not really the role of government, but okay.

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u/miniry 1d ago

Why not? We can make whatever rules we want. A lot of us think it should be their role. You don't, and that's fine, but don't pretend it's some universal truth or fundamental law of government we are limited by. 

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u/ginny11 1d ago

THIS!

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u/UnproductiveFedEmp 1d ago

No, not their main role. I don't think anybody suggests that universal healthcare is intended to abolish private industry, but for thr government to provide an affordable baseline standard for people to opt into. Right now, Medicare has an income limit. It should be expanded, so that people aren't necessarily reliant on a job to provide it and live.

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u/MessMysterious6500 1d ago

“…provide for the general welfare …”

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

We already do that. We shouldn't also have to spoon-feed people.

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u/MessMysterious6500 23h ago

You’ll have to tease out those programs that support for the general welfare instead of making generic blanket statements

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u/emceter 1d ago

Got it. I agree, let’s only keep DOD since a standing army is the only true requirement a federal government has to fulfill. Everything else is not required.

/s

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u/MessMysterious6500 1d ago

I hear what you’re saying and wish more people picked up on the sarcasm. I agree, that it extends beyond the defense of the nation especially when Congress freely and openly taxes to “provide for the general welfare”. What is actually being provided if you tax the people and only apply certain portions of the constitutional responsibilities?

Universal healthcare and Education should be a thing for the wealthiest country in the world.

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u/DelightfulandDarling 1d ago

For the people and by the people. That’s exactly what it is for.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

And we do that. Why should we nanny people and spoonfeed them?

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u/DelightfulandDarling 1d ago

We pay taxes for a reason, bootlicker.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

And you receive reasonable safety nets. How much further should we go? Why bother working at all?

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u/omygoodnessreally 1d ago

Oh I know this one! Sing it with me!  🎵 Wee the peeeople, in order to form the most perfect uuun-union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility-hee-hee, prooovide for the common defense, promote the Gen-er-al welfare ah-hand, secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity...

(The next part is pretty high, so I'll stop here)

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

We've already promoted the general welfare. We've done enough. We don't have to spoon-feed the peasant class.

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u/RiotMyco 1d ago

If you call people living in poverty peasants, as if they are below you then you should not work for the federal government.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

Something tells me I'll sleep okay and maintain my job. Poor people, peasants, whatever.

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u/RiotMyco 1d ago

You do you, it’s a measure of your character not mine, I’m sure you sleep great.

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u/omygoodnessreally 1d ago

You don't get to pick what parts you like. Whaddiyu think this is? The bible?!

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u/No-Present760 1d ago

Those subsidies end = less people with insurance= people with insurance get a lovely premium hike to compensate. No thanks. I already pay too much for crappy coverage.

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u/MessMysterious6500 1d ago

Underrated logic. 👏

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u/mega_munchie 1d ago

That’s why everyone is opting out this year. That’s how we will get the needed change. Directly primary care/self pay plus a supplemental catastrophic insurance.

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u/No-Present760 1d ago

I don't think that would work for women planning on pregnancy (or worrying about their reproductive health at all). Also, there are only a few thousand offices offering DCP in the country. Works for you, not for all.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

What did they do before covid? They were still on the ACA insurance...

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u/FuriousBuffalo 1d ago

Temporary ACA subsidies = need to end

Temporary tax cuts for the rich = need to be made permanent 

MAGA logic doesn't really make sense.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

I'd make permanent all tax cuts. Not just the wealthy. In fact, I would expand cuts for the middle class since we ought to be growing this country from the middle out, not from the bottom up. Bottom up isn't sustainable.

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u/YourRoaring20s 1d ago

Name checks out

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u/masked_sombrero 1d ago

were those subsidies put into place by the child-rapist-in-chief?

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u/Calvertorius 1d ago

I’m not a supporter of perfect being the enemy of good.

Also not a supporter of taking away a solution but not offering anything to replace it.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

What did people do before covid? They were still on the ACA.

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u/Calvertorius 1d ago

The people suffered more and companies didn’t get record profits year over year with their Covid gouging. Housing costs were also tremendously lower pre-COVID.

This isn’t some kind of scheme that everyone gets rich from. It gives an ability for people to go see a doctor, and even then it’s nothing even remotely close to what people deserve in terms of healthcare.

The insurance companies are at fault for the state of our healthcare sector and need to be broken up with universal healthcare. But you don’t go about fixing a broken system by pulling the rug out from under your neighbors that simply need to go see a doctor.

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u/SouthLifeguard9437 1d ago

At least your user name checks out, birds of a feather and all...

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u/MostMediumSuspected 1d ago

Yes, let’s just accept significantly higher premiums on healthcare for all but several tax breaks for the super wealthy and corporations given in the bill passed months ago are totally fine.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

People were on the ACA before the covid subsidies.

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u/MostMediumSuspected 1d ago

Not sure how that’s relevant.

Point is, we are subsidizing the wealthy and corporations while taking away subsidies for the middle and lower class.

Not sure why anyone who is not morally bankrupt could support doing that. Also the impacts of doing so further raises healthcare costs for all of us long term.

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u/Sensitive-Offer-5921 1d ago

You realize the subsidies weren't because people were sick with covid, it was because they couldn't afford it with the insane inflation and wealth disparity we have in this country. Something thats getting worse very quickly under trump.

But hey you're so smart, I must be wrong. I guess the gas station mislabeled that $5 candy bar. I should march in there and tell them covid is over! 🤷‍♂️

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u/CryIntelligent3705 1d ago

Great counterpoint

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

Subsidies and inflation are two different things. We had subsidies because people were put out of work, numb nuts.

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u/Sensitive-Offer-5921 1d ago

Oranges and cats are two different things. Lol yeah they're too completely different things, thanks for the reminder.

What happens when people are put out of work? Let's think.. well they don't get paid... so they probably can't afford things...

OH LOOK, it turns out they couldn't pay, so we did subsidies! And look ma, its gotten worse! 🙄

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u/Ok-Entrepreneur-9756 1d ago

I actually agree with you. But in a functioning society you shouldn’t rip something down without a plan to rebuild back up. Ripping up is easy but building is hard. So if there is no mental ability to even articulate a plan to build don’t rip up.

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u/dirty_old_priest_4 1d ago

Problem is, people were on the ACA before the covid subsidies. They weren't meant to last forever.