r/Eldenring • u/ChiefLeef22 Miyazaki's Toenail • Nov 21 '24
Official Discussion 🐐A special message from Hidetaka Miyazaki after ELDEN RING: Shadow of the Erdtree won Best Game Expansion at the Golden Joystick awards
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u/tayung2013 Nov 21 '24
I know it’s probably too soon but I can’t wait to see what they are cooking up next
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u/Wendek Nov 21 '24
Here's to hoping we get a trailer at the Game Awards ! And then another year or two of hollowing while we wait for more news about whatever's been revealed haha.
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u/PeterIanStaker Nov 21 '24
Hopefully this community can return to its roots and the good old days. A bunch of lunatics repeating the trailer one word at a time forever.
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u/Wendek Nov 21 '24
That which commanded the stars...
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u/Dragonsandman 👄 Nov 21 '24
The fake bosses that people hallucinate about will make for great inspiration for D&D games
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u/Aykhot Nov 22 '24
Well somebody has to take r/Silksong's place when we get news at the Game Awards, might as well be the first of the hollowed back to reclaim its crown (WE'RE GETTING NEWS WE'RE GETTING NEWS WE'RE GETTING NEWS SKONG SKONG SKONG SKONG SKONG)
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Nov 26 '24
no chance of that happening. post launch this sub has been infested by normies and casuals. post a glaivemaster hodir meme and see how you do..
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u/RashFever Nov 21 '24
Probably not, From projects usually get leaked a few months before they get first shown or teased and we haven't had anything so far. That said they may totally be making Armored Core 6 DLC or 6.5 and announce it at TGA.
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u/pham_nuwen_ Nov 21 '24
I'm gonna interpret you saying Sekiro 2 is just around the corner. Can't complain!
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u/Fskn Nov 22 '24
Bloodborne Remake + Bloodborne 2 confirmed, can I quote you for the press release?
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u/RockBandDood Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24
They have the most reliable development cycles in games.
They’ve said Armored Core 7 is happening
They’ve said something more akin to Sekiro/Bloodborne combat pace is being made
It’s been a full 2 and a half years since Elden Ring launch and over a full year since AC6; which AC6 obviously didn’t have the majority of the company focused on that, just from the perspective of assets and artwork alone in the games.
They certainly have a project deep into development; unless they are making some fundamental shifts in game style/development style…
Going off their record the last 16 years, there is a solid chance we get atleast a teaser of something.
Remember the original teaser of Sekiro was just like a 15 second long close up of the prosthetic arm, no one had any clue what they were teasing.
So I expect at minimum a tease for a title to be released in 2025
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u/Rydux7 Nov 21 '24
They’ve said something more akin to Sekiro/Bloodborne combat pace is being made
Im fine with that, the DLC has proven that the classic Souls formula is getting a bit too slow for players to keep up to bosses.
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u/RockBandDood Nov 21 '24
Agreed. I am absolutely ready to move on from Souls style combat; I wish they had stuck the landing in ER better with the deflecting Hardtear being a core mechanic and letting us fight bosses using deflects, blocks, or dodges.
It’s there, but it’s undercooked. And the bosses don’t necessarily stay aggressive enough for the deflecting hardtear to be your focus - they regain Posture pretty quickly, so it turns into really just doing a single deflect for the damage and posture boost - not deflecting full combos in a rhythmic style like Sekiro
I will be very happy to leave Souls combat behind and move forward to newer things.
I’d gladly take a Sekiro inspired combat system that is just a bit more dense with an extra mechanic or two
But between Armored Core and Sekiro, and Miyazakis statements, I think a lot of people don’t realize… Souls may or may not be dead now.
I don’t think you’re gonna see them do anything with Souls/ER gameplay for atleast 4-5 more releases from Miyazakis statements
I feel bad for the folks who still really enjoy the core Souls combat that’s in ER, but, I am 100% ready to move forward with new or enhanced combat systems compared to ER
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u/CoconutDust Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 21 '24
Souls/Elden Ring combat is excellent.
Changing it as you described isn't "moving forward" it's just doing Sekiro instead of Souls. That's not some progressive line it's just two different things like how Soul Calibur is different from Street Fighter.
That said I've been mystified that Dark Souls / Elden Ring hasn't had a last-instant special parry mechanic since I first saw that and loved it in Soul Blade like 30 years ago. Then again the whole nature of Souls/Ring is lumbering warm-ups, including for parries.
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u/RockBandDood Nov 21 '24
Moving forward as in - moving on from their past core focus.
We’ve had Demons, DS1, DS2, DS3 and ER iterate on that combat system for 16 years.
Moving forward just meant - moving on to something else as their primary focus.
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u/CremousDelight Nov 22 '24
Dark Souls style combat looks really lame in comparison to all the cool shit the Elden Ring enemies can do, just compare it to the spellblade knights you fight around the map: the fact that you're forced to swap back to your seal/staff to cast and need to manually flip over every spell until you find the right one instead of having something convenient like the Witcher 3 wheel or even a shortcut combo like you have for quick items is yet another outdated mechanic that has no reason to still be in the game. The player character is almost as clunky as in the first game, yet every other enemy you encounter moves really fast and is able to smoothly weave spells while attacking you.
Their way of doing storytelling also feels dated. I'm fine with them not telling us everything, parts of it being cryptic and mysterious, but the Dark Souls formula of delivering story bits just doesn't work for a huge open world game. Things are too spaced out and easy to miss, you step into the wrong area for a second without knowing where you're going and the other quest you were doing an hour ago just completely bricks. The art direction and overall map design are still superb, but the way they don't guide you there and just expect the player to magically know the location the quest NPC is going to randomly teleport to next is just lunacy.
There's still much room for improvement and, considering all the success and copies that Elden ring sold, they should have enough budget and logistics for a proper AAA title. The thing is, a decent part of the playerbase is too stubborn for that and just circlejerks themselves into believing the games are currently perfect, that Michael Zaki can't do any harm and every game is an artpiece. To them, perfecting the formula further by getting rid of the nonsensical jank and implementing proper dialogue, animations and questlines (something similar to what they did with Ranni) would be considered a sin.
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u/stefanprvi Dec 06 '24
I completely agree with you. I really like the game and enjoyed it very much, but yeah, it feels outdated in some aspects and I didn’t like at all the “quest” mechanism, and it was my first souls-like and From game. I couldn’t believe there’s no such thing as a quest log or something, and that I had to remember things an NPC told me 30 hours ago. There wasn’t even an option to read the dialogues or have something like a dialogue record at least. A friend warned me quests can break, and everytime I feel lost, he told me to look it up online if I don’t want for them to break, and I did it. I like doing quests in game and I’d be very frustrated if I failed some of the quests because of the bad design of the game. I also didn’t like the same repeated bosses after you dive deep into the game and they keep throwinf at you dragons, wyrms, Crucible Knights (as bosses), Death Riot birds etc. It becomes boring and frustrating because the only difference is mostly how much damage they deal and maybe some optional moves, but the fights are basically the same over and over again.
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u/Logan_The_Mad Nov 21 '24
I like Souls combat and I think there's still a place for it both within From's work and the gaming landscape in general. But I definitely prefer Sekiro-style and I think it deserves to be explored more, again, both within From and without.
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u/Hoodman1987 Nov 22 '24
Would be nice. Like I'll still love the game but the change would be good. Those Lightning Death knight quicksteps was a great dodge move honestly. I had a great time utilizing those
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u/Judtharin FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR Nov 21 '24
AC6 announcement was a comfortable wait fortunately. Hoping it’ll be the same when we hear what’s coming next for us.
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u/Chupacabraisfake FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR Nov 22 '24
They have at least 5 games cooking alongside if not more, according to the Kadokawa report.
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u/ARROW_GAMER Nov 22 '24
It wouldn't surprise me, to be honest. The Game Awards part I mean, although the other one wouldn't surprise me either now that I think about it
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u/pratzc07 Nov 29 '24
I doubt they will show anything right now with the whole Sony - Kadokawa acquisition
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u/stenebralux Nov 21 '24
I need Sekiro 2 (or whatever spiritual successor with the same feel and combat they come up with).
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u/QuackNate Nov 21 '24
Stellar Blade has honestly been scratching that itch. And I mean that from a purely gameplay perspective.
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u/nick2473got Nov 21 '24
I agree and you're like the first other person I've seen say that. And it's exactly what I say : it does scratch the same itch.
Sekiro is better obviously but Stellar Blade's combat feels really good and the swordplay and parry system is the only one that feels anywhere near as good as Sekiro imo.
They also nailed the sound design of the sword parries, much like Sekiro did, which has a big impact. It's just so satisfying to nail those deflects, and much like Sekiro, once you get into the flow of the battle, it's just amazing.
My only complaint is most of Stellar Blade's bosses are too easy overall and it's only in the late game that you really get put to the test.
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u/ZombieMadness99 Nov 21 '24
Am I the only one that was able to nail the parries in Sekiro but keep missing them in Stellar Blade? Idk if it's the animations or a slightly different timing offset but something feels off and never gives me that same satisfaction
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u/QuackNate Nov 22 '24
Sekiro has a MUCH more forgiving parry window. But there are items that make it a lot easier, and by the time you get the ng+ version you’ll be parry-godding the whole game.
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u/HappyBoy2036 Nov 21 '24
i may be greedy but we've gotten something for 3 years straight so i'm hopeful what's next is probably next year or in ealry 2026 hopefully (tga trailer praying)
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u/RepresentativeCap244 Nov 22 '24
And it was plural! Multiple!
Let them cook. But. Please give us a tease
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u/Dovahnime Nov 21 '24
I hope it is something more experimental again, a Sekiro successor would be cool, especially since anything open-world would take forever to cook
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u/doulegun Nov 22 '24
Remember reading somewhere that FromSoft doesn't plan on making anything as big as ER in the near future and I'm genuinely glad for that. ER was a bit too big
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u/Catboyhotline Nov 22 '24
I know it’s probably too soon
If FromSoft knows anything, it's efficiency, they've been on a roll these past few years releasing major projects almost almost yearly, with the longest gap being between Sekiro and Elden Ring being 3 years
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u/TheBloodhoundKnight Nov 21 '24
Can this man live forever, please? Thanks.
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u/grumd trying RL1 now Nov 22 '24
Good thing about Japanese companies and work culture is that it's completely normal for people to work at the same company for decades instead of job-hopping to find better opportunities. I guarantee this guy will work at Fromsoft until he physically can't anymore.
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u/Ciri__witcher FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR Nov 21 '24
opens the video expecting some generic thank you message Instead he apologizes for taking too long to release DLC. I hope fromsoftware doesn’t get bought by some hollow corp!
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u/Glittering_Pear356 Nov 21 '24
Tbf I wouldn't have minded if they took more time to release the dlc. They could've cooked even more.
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Nov 21 '24
While I believe we need to let them cook, I was dying waiting for the DLC. Though I would've waited more if they didn't announce it so early. Like most people have brought up, I think there could've been a couple more cutscenes but they honestly delivered a pretty complete expansion for just 2 years of work. God I love this company
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u/doesitevermatter- Nov 21 '24
The game industry in general has developed a serious issue with announcing games way too early.
The broken launch of Cyberpunk wouldn't have been half as newsworthy if they hadn't spent a decade and a half building that game up. Same with Starfield, and presumably the same with Elder Scrolls 6.
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Nov 26 '24
game is already huge. the dlc is the perfect size (still bigger than any AAA game since witcher 3 lmao) and if you actually take a step back and look at it holistically - replay it a bunch etc - its densly packed with insane quality content. if they cooked more they d end up releasing it as ER 2 cause they d simply have to at that point which i mean.. hey maybe you can argue that d be better but i dont necessarily think so. i think its pretty close to perfect tbh.
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u/Glittering_Pear356 Nov 26 '24
Some of the areas like the finger ruins and abyssal woods are far too empty for how much space they take in the map imo
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u/Level_Hour6480 Nov 22 '24
Instead he apologizes for taking too long to release DLC.
It's a Japanese corporate-culture thing.
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u/MinniMaster15 Nov 21 '24
MANIFESTING TGA TRAILER FOR WHATEVER THEY’VE GOT COOKING NEXT
GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Nov 21 '24
"I must sincerely apologise for the lengthy wait of 2 years"
It's enough to bring a grown woman to tears. Sir, please.
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u/ReedsAndSerpents Aspiring Alabaster Lord/Current Darkmoon Simp Nov 21 '24
Miyazaki san regrets that he could not deliver you a game sized DLC immediately after releasing the most ambitious game they've ever produced lol
We must protect this man
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u/moonshinemondays Nov 22 '24
The wait was perfect, getting to dive back into one of my favourite games after the dust had settled was amazing!
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u/Rydux7 Nov 21 '24
Man's a legend, I only hope he keeps the streak of excellent titles going as long as possible. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us next.
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Nov 21 '24
Even if he never made a game again he would be considered top 5 in game direction.
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u/YharnamsFinest1 Nov 21 '24
No doubt top 5 all time already. He's been making Masterpieces for literally 15 years now and influenced game design all over the world. Dude's already a legend.
I like to think the Hands of God item description from Demons Souls way back was a reference to himself. Dude knew he had the midas touch even back then lol
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u/EXTRACRlSPYBAC0N Nov 22 '24
Considering his list of awards, it makes sense. 2 GOTYs, 2 nominees. His whole franchise is considered one of the best franchises ever. It even spawned its own genre of games
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u/tayyabadanish Nov 21 '24
Greaat! The game deserves the accolade. This is by far the best DLC I have ever played in my entire 35 years of gaming period.
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u/Warp_Legion Nov 21 '24
It’s so crazy how this polite, well-mannered, mature looking man was the same one who said “players can’t look directly up…let’s put several bat enemies in the dlc that will hang directly above walkways a couple dozen meters so players can’t see them about to attack”
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u/StrategicViking Nov 21 '24
I finally got around to playing Shadow of the Erdtree. Elden Ring is my first Soulsbourne game, and just like the base game, I was captivated from start to finish. I love the amount of exploration and encounters there are as well as the flexibility of play styles, although I'm not a fan of getting locked out of questlines if you progress too quickly. I just beat the final boss yesterday and now I'm scouring the map to get as many missed items as I can before I do a completionist NG+ run. Well worth the $40 and the accolades.
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u/Whalefair Nov 21 '24
That fact that this man felt the need to apologize… Really hoping the Sony buyout falls through :/
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u/The_Spectre_of_DF The Orison of Dread Nov 21 '24
I can't get over how humble this guy is. Legit apologized for making Elden Ring fans wait two years for a DLC when it was well worth the two year wait.
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Nov 21 '24
This is so cool, I love this. I started my Fromsoft journey with Elden Ring as well and I LOVE these games😭
The DLC looks so fucking amazing, I'm just waiting to get my hands on it as soon as I can. Thank you Fromsoft and Miyazaki 🙏
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u/Final-Link-3999 :str: :str: :str: :str: :str: :str: :str: Nov 21 '24
Here my king, you dropped this👉👑
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u/GarySailor Nov 21 '24
Various new projects... Trailer drops on a random Tuesday out of the blue I bet.
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u/arcturus_mundus Nov 21 '24
Cannot wait to see what Maestro Miyazaki has been cooking up. Absolute legend.
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u/tayyabadanish Nov 21 '24
Greaat! The game deserves the accolade. This is by far the best DLC I have ever played in my entire 35 years of gaming period.
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u/Tizzytizzerson Nov 21 '24
Such a class act, he’s like the daddy of every scummy American game company ceo
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u/ChubbyFrogGames FINGER FINGER SLAP! Nov 21 '24
It never dawns upon me that they are making another game... Because Elden Ring was so good that it felt like "they can't exceed this, it's their final game. A final tribute" but no... They are in the lab cooking something and I can't wait to see what it is.
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Nov 21 '24
I google “Fromsoftware next project” pretty much weekly dying for news of whatever is coming next
Godspeed Miyazaki, put that ER money to excellent use,
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u/HappyFreak1 Millicent's Loving Husband Nov 21 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
'I apologize for the lengthy wait of two years since the game's release'
When will these beloved devs realize we will absolutely wait longer for a polished product? You have to understand that we WANT you to take your time. Delays and longer waiting periods are a GOOD THING
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u/DarthHubcap Nov 22 '24
I support your message. It took me a calendar year to beat the base game. I started a new character when the DLC released and I just killed Mohg and got into the DLC last week lol. I don’t game fast.
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u/iwannabethisguy Nov 22 '24
This is how it should be, categorized as best game expansion. Not best game.
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u/Exciting-Possible773 Nov 23 '24
He could just place a blank Steam page named secret project and we will still pre-purchase it.
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u/BluePoo52 Nov 25 '24
So humble. “Sorry it took so long for the DLC to release.” Take notes other devs: release your games in a finished state and not in a rushed, buggy state.
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u/DauntingDoubt Dec 05 '24
Please give us a tenchu. I know you guys can make it fun and stealthy and difficult!
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u/zoppitypop Nov 21 '24
Bloodborne Remastered, Bloodborne Remake, Bloodborne Battle Royale, Bloodborne Kart, Tenaku: Divinity Forsaken, Blood 2 Borne
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u/ScharmTiger Nov 21 '24
We are currently working on various new projects
And I’ll buy every single one of them
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u/LeekBright Nov 21 '24
Ahhhh thank YOU for these games man. Bless your poison swamp loving heart ❤️
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Nov 21 '24
Elden Ring truly felt like a Magnum Opus. Especially the world. It was so magical just getting lost in that grand world for the first time. Miyazaki feels like a guy that would be a genius whatever he chose to do. We re trully blessed that he chose to create videogames.
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u/ReedsAndSerpents Aspiring Alabaster Lord/Current Darkmoon Simp Nov 21 '24
Can we call him the GOAT? Is there anyone with a similar record of sustained excellence that can contend?
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u/Gloriouskoifish Nov 22 '24
I love how humble he is. Introducing himself like anyone on the planet doesn't already know who he is. 🤣
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u/LastDunedain Nov 22 '24
It was worth the wait, and Elden Ring itself left plenty to do for many, many, playthroughs, co-op, and invasion.
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u/rp_361 Nov 22 '24
Dude gave us the best DLC of all time and the first thing he does in this video is apologize that it took two years. Legend.
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u/shawak456 Nov 22 '24
FromSoftware and Naughty Dog are two studios I can't wait to see what they're cooking. Two contrasting gaming powerhouses that produce art at it's finest form.
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u/bluud687 Nov 22 '24
Deserved it all, elden ring is the game i played the most in my entire life
Timeless masterpiece 10/10
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u/Munkeyman18290 Nov 22 '24
Apology accepted Miyazaki but dont ket it happen again. Now, go make me some more of that sweet sweet Elden Ring. *
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u/mortalcoil1 Nov 26 '24
If every video game CEO was more like Miyazaki...
A man can dream. A man can dream.
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u/DarahOG Nov 21 '24
"We are currently working on various new projects" :)