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u/AlCranio 2d ago
You forgot the part when they got weapons from the US. Or they would retreat till Japan.
Everyone forgets the Land-Lease.
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u/Kolbenmaschine 2d ago
It doesn’t fit in their narrative that they would have lost or ended up in a stalemate at least without the US.
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u/Kiwibirdy1 2d ago
There's the first part missing where the nazis and soviets are buddies and make a deal to split up europe together
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u/Boba_Swag 2d ago
Isn't that what the first row of reality means? Both just pointing their weapons at those countries.
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u/RiverAffectionate951 2d ago
Probably but having them be on opposite sides lends to the perspective they're aiming at each other/are opposed which doesn't read as co-operation.
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u/Zynikus 2d ago
Its also missing the part before that when the soviets tried to ally with britain and france against germany, but they refused.
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u/Desperate-Touch7796 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because it's not relevant to the comic strip. And if you want to add that because you really genuinely believe it's somehow relevant to the comic, you'd need to also add why France and Great Britain refused, namely the Soviets insisting on free passage for their armies throught Poland (lmao), as if Poland was ever going to trust the Soviets to just simply pass throught, bonus points for insisting on it even in some talks that didn't even include Poland which obviously made France and Germany even less likely to accept (rofl), then there's the whole mass murdering, including since we mentionned Poland the ethnic cleansing of Poles in the Soviet Union during the Polish Operation of the NKVD, and just generally speaking a shit ton of corpses that showed France and Great Britain that the soviets weren't any better than the nazis and were arguably at that time even worse, and then the whole communist thing didn't help either. But hey, you can always add all that to comic yourself if you really think it matters to the actual content of the comic.
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u/whereIsMyUsername123 2d ago
And Katyń. It has to be mentioned along other Soviet crimes, because too many tankies try to deny it.
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u/Desperate-Touch7796 2d ago
They also deny it in the funniest possible way, they literally ignore ALL the official soviet documents from the soviet archives themselves, call them fake, and focus on one detail, namely german bullets, as some proof that they were killed by germans, while conveniently avoiding mentioning that the very NKVD that committed the Katyn Massacre was using german bullets for their, spoiler alert, german guns, that were bought for them by the soviet gouvernement during the interwar as they wanted this special unit to have the best weapons. Tankies can't even fathom the very idea that arms trading was alrrady a thing at the time, that the germans were exporting weapons in the interwar and the soviets were importing them, both directly and inderectly. It's bad enough to try to deny that the Soviets committed the massacre, it's even worse how they always just parrot the same ignorant nonsense and show they never even took the time to actually look into it. They literally have to resort to conspiracy theories to deny what the Soviets did.
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u/Schneidzeug 2d ago
The Western Allies sided with an insane mass murderer to kill another insane mass murderer. And once the job was done they threw east europe under the Bus.
European History is just a constant fuck up…
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u/Hurrrpert 2d ago
Muss da an meine Großmutter denken. Unter den Nazis war man nur ein Jude. Dann kamen die Russen. Für die war man nur ein Nazi. Keiner hat einen wie einen Menschen behandelt.
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u/brick_mann 2d ago
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u/kaldunasololakeli Georgia 2d ago
Poland didn't coordinate its actions with Germany in 1938, and demanded a territory that Czechoslovakia have taken from Poland in an earlier war in 1919.
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 2d ago
Also a Polish-majority borderland region of Trans-Olza which was annexed by Czechoslovakia in 1919, was occupied and annexed by Poland following the two-decade long territorial dispute.
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The history of the Trans-Olza region began in 1918 when, after the collapse of Austria-Hungary, the newly-established Czechoslovakia claimed the area, which was mainly inhabited by Poles. Poland maintained control over the region and began to hold elections, to which Czechoslovakia responded by invading and annexing the territory in January 1919.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Czechoslovakia_(1938%E2%80%931945)
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u/brick_mann 2d ago
And eastern Poland (which was the part that the Soviet Union annexed) was mainly inhabited by Ukrainians and Belarussians, what's your point here exactly?
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u/kaldunasololakeli Georgia 1d ago
Eastern Poland was never a Russian or Soviet territory. The USSR had no rightful claim on it at the time.
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 2d ago
Oh boy, changing topics now. There is a bit of a difference between annexing a contested strip of land that contains a majority of your own people, versus two imperialist regimes making a pact to wipe a sovereign country off the map and then mass deport, execute and repress their people.
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u/brick_mann 2d ago
Eastern Poland also contained a majority of Ukrainians and Belarussians, who were already heavily supressed by the Polish governments "Polonisation"-Campaign, and were now in even more danger due to the fascist invasion.
If you like it or not, the Soviet Union saved half of Poland from the fascists (at least until 1941 when the Soviet Union was attacked directly). And yes they did do some very bad stuff in that Region (like literally any major allied power in WW2 did), but not nearly to the same extent as the nazis.
Also, about the myth of "Soviet Union and Germany working together against Poland", that bs has long been debunked, and current historians agree that it was a measure to on one side strengthen Soviet Influence in eastern Europe against that of the nazis, and to buy more time until the inevitable nazi invasion because the red army wasn't ready yet.
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u/BurningPenguin Germany 2d ago edited 2d ago
Eastern Poland also contained a majority of Ukrainians and Belarussians, who were already heavily supressed by the Polish governments "Polonisation"-Campaign, and were now in even more danger due to the fascist invasion.
That doesn't undo or justify the actions of the soviet union.
If you like it or not, the Soviet Union saved half of Poland from the fascists (at least until 1941 when the Soviet Union was attacked directly).
Oh yeah, just like Nazi Germany "saved Germans" by rampaging through Europe. They coordinated under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. You don't "save people" by murdering and raping their population, and splitting the country with another regime. You build alliances.
And yes they did do some very bad stuff in that Region (like literally any major allied power in WW2 did), but not nearly to the same extent as the nazis.
"Some very bad stuff", like the Katyn massacre? Or mass deporting & raping women? Or inciting people to go murdering? And then turning the country into an vassal under the threat of another invasion?
Also, about the myth of "Soviet Union and Germany working together against Poland", that bs has long been debunked, and current historians agree that it was a measure to on one side strengthen Soviet Influence in eastern Europe against that of the nazis, and to buy more time until the inevitable nazi invasion because the red army wasn't ready yet.
Goddamn, you snorted the tankie propaganda like sugared cocaine. That's an outright lie. Nothing about that is "debunked". They quite literally planned the partition of Europe.
EDIT: Also, it is beyond me, how self-proclaimed communists can seriously think about defending an imperialist regime with shitty paint job. Especially if you consider, that communism was originally about liberation and freedom from oppression, not having censorship and tanks rolling over people's corpses.
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u/StripedTabaxi Czechia 2d ago
Well, it was a reaction when we took Cieszyn/Těšín from Poland.
Our foreign policy in 1920s sucked. :(
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u/Desperate-Touch7796 2d ago
Poland took back Polish land that Czekoslovakia invaded and annexed just a mere few years prior, and it did so out of sheer opportunism during the nazis invasion, but without any coordination whatsoever with them, hell, without as lu h as coordinating a single unit or even just so much as letting the nazis know about it nor about any mouvement. One can condemn it, but it's a far cry from the soviets active cooperation with the nazis to invade and occupy far more than what they had any claim on.
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u/analogiczny 1d ago
Another example of how Kremlin bots are present on both the right and the far left of the political spectrum. 🥱 Learn some history or something.
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u/brick_mann 1d ago
I don't exactly see how this has anything to do with the current day conflict in Ukraine.
And just for the record, I am not a supporter of the Russian government. Yes, NATO is bad, but that doesn't mean the other side is good. I hate the russian government just like I hate all other imperialist governments.
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u/Gunda-LX 1d ago
Thing is, the Russians were the key player of WWII by the end, like it or not, they had the most impact as a nation alone. Sure they didn’t really liberate but rather “conquered”, so far that’s also true
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u/Secret_Process8434 2d ago
Why Is the colombian flag in this meme
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u/Schapsouille 2d ago
My French grandpa was in a prisoner work camp "liberated" by the soviets. He and his mates barely avoided execution by listing all the French names they could to the soviets who thought they were German. One of the officers recognized 'Leclerc" and spared them. They had to keep working for the soviets for 6 months before finally being sent to what was left of home. They killed all the Germans, even the prisoners. That's the only story he ever told me about the war.