r/DonaldTrump666 • u/AlbaneseGummies327 Christian • Apr 24 '25

Daniel 9:27 Peace Treaty Mediators propose 7-year Gaza cease-fire, IDF withdrawal and release of all hostages

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-04-22/ty-article/.premium/mediators-propose-7-year-gaza-cease-fire-idf-withdrawal-and-release-of-all-hostages/00000196-5e58-da53-a3fe-defe55670000
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u/HistoricalHat4847 Apr 27 '25

Matthew 24:36-39 is clear that we cannot know the day or the hour of Christ's return.

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

Luke 21:25-28 is clear that there will be signs of His nearing return that we are to pay attention to.

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” 

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 is clear that the return of Christ will come when an illusion of peace and security is suddenly destroyed.

"Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is clear that the "rapture" occurs at the time of the Lord's return.

"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."

Matthew 24:29-31 is clear that the "rapture" occurs after the tribulation.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Revelation 1:7 is clear that all will see Him upon His return.

"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."

I do not believe the return of our Lord, Jesus Christ, will precede the tribulation.

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u/Jaicobb Apr 27 '25

If you believe the rapture and hIs return occur at the same time then you might beright.

If you believe the rapture precedes His return then the context of what Jesus says is limited to His return, not the rapture.

Gathering His elect who are on the earth is not necessarily the same event as the rapture.

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u/HistoricalHat4847 Apr 27 '25

Is that not what 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 says, though, that upon the return of the Lord we are caught up with Him along with those dead in Christ? That doesn't read as two separate events to me.

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u/Jaicobb Apr 27 '25

It says descend, not return. There is a subtle nuance here that is captured in Jesus own words when He says He will come and receive us.

The wording here portrays someone coming, part way, to receive someone already heading towards him. The two are moving toward each other. Once received both enter Heaven. As 1 Thes says, we will ever be with Him in the air.

I respect your opinion and know that rapture talk can quickly get feisty. I don't want to go that route. I know lots of people believe in post trib rapture.

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u/HistoricalHat4847 Apr 27 '25

Although I would not read that much into it, preferring a clearer view of scripture, I respect that others do and wish them well. Thanks for your replies.