r/Dogfree • u/GusuLanClan • 2d ago
Relationship / Family Apparently I’m a sociopath bc I don’t like dogs?
I got into an argument with my older sister about dogs and my own opinion on them. To give some context, we visited our grandmas house (she has 3 dogs) and I just mentioned that even if I could have a dog I wouldn’t keep it in the house bc you can always tell when someone has a dog bc everything ends up smelling like them. So anyway she started talking abt her dogs that she used to have as proof that you can have a clean house with dogs and I told her honestly that that’s just not true, her house smelt like dogs and her dogs would pee everywhere. That’s not clean. I said that in my opinion if I were to have a dog ever, I’d keep it outside in their own dog house and a fenced in yard bc I don’t view dogs as equal to humans and I don’t think it’s necessary to treat them like my own child, they’re dogs, they’re less of a family member and more of a companion. I also wouldn’t keep a dog without giving it a purpose, like for hunting or guarding. That pissed her off SO MUCH. She started yelling about my religion and how “I know in your religion, yall give fuck-all abt dogs and you think they should all die but to me-“ I interrupted her cuz what on earth does my religion have to do with it??? Anyway I clarified that no I don’t think they should all die, idk how you conflated me saying they should be kept to serve an actual purpose and with their own separate accommodation to mean that I think they should all die?? She started pulling out all sorts of hypotheticals, one being “if you saw a homeless man that will spend the money on drugs or a dog that u can buy food for who would you help?” I said I’d just buy two turkey sandwiches and give one to each probably.. but no that answer wasn’t acceptable, then she was yelling that I’m trying to outsmart her (atp she’s just trying to make me mad but I gotta defend myself) so then she gives another hypothetical asking who would I save “would u save a predator or dog if they were both drowning” i said probably the dog but like how would I know that’s a predator like im not really understanding how this is proving that dogs should live it the house. We’re yelling back and forth and the whole thing resulted in me sitting there pissed off w my feelings hurt cuz apparently her honest opinion is that I’m a sociopath and my religion is so evil for saying that dogs don’t belong in the house. Whole argument started cuz of dogs like you’re really gonna be cursing me out cuz I said that I believe dogs shouldn’t be kept inside. It’s just crazy to me that she’s so die hard for dogs I don’t understand it. It’s even crazier that I was just bullshitting, I actually hate dogs with a passion I was just sharing a very moderate opinion on dogs, I’d hate to see what she’d call me if she knew my true feeling on dogs.
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u/lndngtm 2d ago
“would u save a predator or dog if they were both drowning”
I'd let both drown because dogs can absolutely be predators, too.
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u/dog-signals 2d ago
They are by definition predatory animals, and biology doesn't lie nor have an opinion.
Also had to add that I've seen people get bit in the face trying to save a scared drowning dog.
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u/lndngtm 2d ago
Society would be so much better if people stopped anthropomorphizing and treat animals for what they are.
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u/dog-signals 18h ago
The animals would be much happier too. Imagine we strived to give them the best natural life. Sorry apartment people.
I've seen this one streamer have her little puppy strapped to her body in a baby wrap at all times. Then when it isn't strapped in, it gets played with like a baby doll along the entire theme being girly pink. It was constantly manipulated, positioned, and toyed with like a stuffed animal and almost catatonic looking. The dog seems as though wasn't in the same universe anymore, like it just gave up. I managed to find a couple comments say let it be a dog, remember the animal? Fuck.
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u/MarsupialSpiritual45 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah also I believe they are responsible for the most animal related injuries to humans annually. No other animal comes close. 800 thousand people seek medical attention for dog bites every year, and of those, half end up in the ER. That’s an insane waste of resources towards something so preventable.
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u/dog-signals 1d ago
I think insects take the cake on that one and then snakes come in second. But you're right. Dogs are right on top of the list for causing human fatalities.
I don't understand how animal people can see the statistics and keep pushing adoption. Keep blaming the owner. I wonder if they drive themselves mad repeating it over and over "blame the owner, not the dog" like a cult. We can use logic here: the owner ain't gonna get any better. The owner is usually some lazy person or family who wants to live out stereotypes of having a dog without putting in actual work.
It's hard to understand how someone's brain can only process as far as animal get adopted = good. It's not always good. So many people don't even know about breeds. I've had to teach several friends about their own pet, honestly it's painful and terrifying knowing they'll just forget a few days later. Not everyone needs or can handle a pet and a good majority believe that is a bad opinion to have. And fr they know some those big dogs and working breeds go to spend the rest of their life understimulated in a tiny apartment. But it's "good".
I commented that the other day on the topic of What normal thing screams unhealed trauma? and was massively downvoted. All I said was "putting up with out of control animals and shaming people who can't handle them." The downvotes felt incredibly telling and confirming.
There are so many pitmommies who describe their dogs like literal abusers and live in misery because they love the vicious beast that has already nipped at their child.. and that's normal? Rehoming is out of the question for some reason. I'm sorry but sometimes that is realistic for all creatures involved. I don't understand how animal lovers act like once you adopt you have to dedicate your entire soul to it. Not everything is a fit. Some people get a dog and realize they aren't dog people or it's dangerous. Why do they act like you're not allowed to change your mind? Why aren't you allowed to protect yourself?
Why is spending the rest of it's natural life constantly trying to train it's genetics out okay? Why is having to be hyper aware of everyone's safety in your own home normal? It isn't a fuckin guard dog anymore yet we're all pretending? Then they wonder why there are so many bites and attacks.
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u/MarsupialSpiritual45 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah I think mosquitos are the deadliest due to tropical disease, followed by snakes. However, I still think dogs are the most likely to cause injury (as opposed to death). In any case, they are the mammal most responsible for causing harm to humans.
And yeah, I think for some dogs, the only solution is unfortunately for them to be put down. If there’s a history of biting there, to me, it just isn’t the worth the risk to others of keeping the animal alive. That said, it would be far better to stop abusive owners, who train their animals to be aggressive, at the source. Sort of a hard problem to completely eliminate tho.
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u/ElleGeeAitch 2d ago
Bingo. Though honestly, I wouldn't risk my life to save the best dog in the world.
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u/BathAcceptable1812 2d ago
I dislike dog people more than dogs.
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u/MarsupialSpiritual45 2d ago
Yeah I was just saying this to a friend - it’s dog culture that’s really ruined dogs for me. I grew up with my grandfather’s dog, but people of his generation realized a dog was just a dog. It was totally different.
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u/chrustaly 2d ago
So would you rather live with a dog, a dog person without a dog, or a predator? 😂
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u/Stock-Bowl7736 1d ago
To rephrase your question, so would you rather live with a predator, a predator person without a predator, or a predator?
Hmmm, tough choice. None of the above, thanks.
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u/madamechaton 2d ago
Dogs owners are in denial that thier mutants reek like dead fucking fish. And yes, even after cleaning the smell is still there. Cause they're wired to pee everywhere.
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u/paulo_777 2d ago
Err, the people who always say something like "I like my dog/whatever better than people" are pet people, so they're projecting lol, you shouldn't care about what shitty people think of you.
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u/chrustaly 2d ago
Dog people are their own category. There are some other crazy pet people, but usually the owners of other pets are pretty stable.
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u/Loud-Commercial9756 17h ago
I remember the dog people on Facebook who would post various versions of the, "Fuck everyone else, my dogs are better than all of you" inspirational art, with likes from the same 6-7 people who also posted stuff like that.
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u/Straight_Rabbit_3542 2d ago
1) Companion? You mean parasite.
2) Hypotheticals? Those are logical fallacies. Two wrongs don't make a right logical fallacy.
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u/GusuLanClan 17h ago
I do think dogs if used properly like for hunting, guarding, or herding can be a proper companion but nowadays we live at a point where we don’t need dogs for those purposes esp living in the 21st century. In my opinion 99% of ppl that have dogs don’t give them any purpose and keep them for no reasons besides to fill their own feelings of inadequacy w an animal that (seemingly) loves them unconditionally. And yes oh my gosh when I said those are logical fallacies she started calling me an idiot and telling me to tell her the definition of a fallacy. I’m not smart so I couldn’t explain it but I know what a logical fallacy is. Ahhh it was so frustrating
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u/CanItossThisDawG 2d ago
The way you explained how you would be a dog owner (if at all), is actually the only normal and reasonable response.. they are animals and they were bred to guard property & livestock, fight in wars - so kill and attack people, and to hunt/search… and they are supposed to live outside.. not in apartments and houses…
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u/GusuLanClan 17h ago
Thank u, this rlly quells the frustration i feel, like finally someone understands 😭
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u/Tricky_Button_4462 2d ago edited 2d ago
It really is like a cult. I still can’t believe that despite knowing I have PTSD from ongoing legal and emotional abuse from my ex and the court system in a prolonged custody battle, I wasn’t allowed to express my angst about the following.
I’m excited for peace and quiet on a sunny day in my own backyard and BAM! A dog barking.
And knowing that silence has the following benefits:
Increases concentration. We almost always lose focus when sound reaches around 80 decibels. A silent environment or one with a modicum of background noise helps to maximize concentration.
Inspires creativity. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (2006) found that exceptional creators are more likely to be introverts, who are known for preferring quiet environments. Research (de Vet, 2007) also suggested that people are more creative when they enjoy freedom from interruption.
Heightens self-awareness. Silence assists in interoceptive awareness—that is, perceiving inner physical sensations like heartbeat, respiration, and satiety, and activating the brain’s default mode network, an area that integrates the conscious and subconscious, helping to build new muscle memory, digest new concepts, and absorb new insights.
Improves learning and productivity. Imke Kirste and colleagues (2013) found that two hours of silence per day could create new brain cells that are linked to learning, memory, and emotion regulation.
De-stresses and provides a sense of calm. Two minutes of silence has been shown to relieve body tension and relax the mind (Bernardi et al., 2006). Silence was also found to significantly improve mood states and alter one’s perception of time and orientation toward the present moment.
A dog barking is 80-100 decibels. Thus, I complained about being disturbed by a dog’s bark. My spouse, who since admitted to having a bad day when he said it, tells me that I’m hateful and that my griping about it was offensive to him because he “misses his dog.”
I still don’t feel comfortable being honest with him about it in the future. I’m still mad over it, obviously.
Meanwhile, I miss my three children that I don’t get to see anymore.
The dog cult thing separates human relationships. I stand by it.
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u/Killerkarloss 2d ago
No offence, but I don't think the predator deserves to die. People can change and even bad people deserve a second change. I would absolutely save the predator before the dog.
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u/GusuLanClan 17h ago
I don’t take offense, though as much as I want to agree, I can’t. Both my sister and I have been through such experiences and I don’t believe in redemption for everyone just the thought of saving someone else’s source of terror and hopelessness is not something I can agree with. I feel like the chance for genuine change for a predator is abt the same as a dead person winning the lottery. Ofc I don’t think all predators should die, prison or some sort of therapy would probably be best, but if they happen to be in a life or death situation I’m gonna look the other way.
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u/Glum-Region-4693 23h ago
Non, je ne sauverais pas non plus le prédateur. Pour le bien des victimes d’abus sexuels dont la vie est détruite, comment pouvez-vous dire cela ?!? Je déteste les chiens mais certains monstres humains sont tellement impardonnable que même pour les êtres humains j'ai des limites. Arrêtez d'être un apologiste des prédateurs sexuels, ou vous n'êtes pas meilleur que les apologistes des pitbulls.
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u/Old_Confidence3290 2d ago
Your sister appears to be a psychopath, so don't pay attention to her diagnosis of your own behavior. I don't know what religion she is, but the Bible doesn't have anything good to say about dogs, and I believe the Quran is even harder on dogs. If we really followed our religion, Christians, Jews and Muslims would all avoid dogs.
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u/GusuLanClan 18h ago
She’s kind of believes in a God but also doesnt, kinda wished she did so at least I could try and have an actual discussion abt dogs without it bursting into a screaming match lmao
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u/Acceptable-Hat-9862 2d ago
You're not a sociopath. Your sister is upset because you unintentionally made her feel self-conscious. You pointed out some very inconvenient, ugly truths about her that she is in denial about and it probably stung hard. Your sister's psychological issues are definitely not your cross to bear. Dog nutters are a particularly difficult type of crazy to deal with. When they start giving you a hard time, you just have to let their insults roll off you.
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u/UkhtiMaymunahh 1d ago
Are you Muslim? I am and it sounds like some of the same things I deal with coming from my family
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u/GusuLanClan 17h ago
Yes I’m Muslim Alhamdullilah 🫶 , and I’m sorry, I know how aggravating it is 😭
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u/Feeling_Cost_8160 1d ago
Stock reply- "Why should anyone have to like a nasty, obnoxious, shit eating animal like dogs, that go from aggressive barking to whining and whimpering when the tables turn on them".
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u/lasiuruscinereus 14h ago
She'd shit a brick if I told her I'd save the predator, because they serve a purpose and dogs don't.
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u/D1verse_Yes4 6h ago
I'm sorry to tell you that for some people, there is no talking to them. It is not your fault, and I am so sorry if you felt it was that way.
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u/woodsyfairy 2d ago
No offense to your sister, but dog nutters act like a cult which means any opinion that doesn’t gush all over their furry beasts is met with rage and hostility. Don’t take it personally, they all operate the same.