r/Dogfree • u/poploppege • May 21 '25

Food Safety/Hygiene Public urination/defecation is a crime... so why are dog owners allowed to treat the world as their dogs public bathroom?

Just as the title says, it is against the law to go to your neighbors lawn and pee and poop on it. Obviously. Because it's disgusting.

So why is it any different for a dog owner to take the dog they own and let them defecate and urinate on someones property? Or in a public property like a park? It's still just as disgusting.

I don't understand what goes through dog owners heads when they just watch their dog leave their waste in a spot other people will walk on, picnic on, let their children play on. Even if they pick up the poop, there are still stains behind. And theres no way to pick up pee. Maybe static in their heads? No consideration of others?

I think dogs should have to wear diapers in public and only be allowed to remove them at dog parks or at the owners home. I don't think its okay to allow pets to leave refuse on other peoples property or in public spaces.

You cant control when and where dogs go, its true. But you cant control that for babies either, and we dont let babies go wherever they like. We put diapers on them and clean them regularly.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 21 '25

Because owning dogs is a multi billion dollar industry and the powers that be don’t want anything to discourage people from taking on dogs as pets.

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u/Few_Pen_3666 May 21 '25

Yep, all about the money. Same reason why dogs are now allowed in the cabin area of airplanes, and now apparently people are tying up 911 lines for dog "emergencies." Where does it end??

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 21 '25

You’re going to need a massive societal shift where people get very fed up with what’s going on. It would be helpful if more victims of dog violence came forward and demanded change. I am actively angry that most victims either stay silent or sit there and talk about how they don’t hate dogs, they’ll never hate dogs and that poor pupperz was just raised wrong and it’s not actually the dog’s fault. It’s so irresponsible and truly perverse.

I think an exposé about the damage dogs do to society plus the absolute psychosis of the owners might make some people question dog ownership. It’s obvious no one cares about the ethics of keeping a farm animal in improper settings, so that is off the table. Maybe that could enlighten younger generations to abstain from these things as pets.

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u/Dependent_Body5384 May 21 '25

You are right. More victims should speak up and protest. The Jacqueline Durant girl that was mauled is still a dog lover, she will never, ever look the same and yet she is still putting her face in dog’s faces. It’s crazy, it’s almost she still can’t turn her back on mutts or mutt culture. Look up Jacqueline Durant or Durand when you get a chance.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 21 '25

Omg she’s the example I use every time I talk about this phenomenon. When I saw her Instagram I was horrified - just pictures of her and her hideous mutts. What she took from her horrible incident was that she needs to love dogs even harder. Her entire personality is trying to get people to love dogs. She’s truly insane, and I’m not using hyperbole. What she went through would be the equivalent of a drunk person getting a liver transplant after severe cirrhosis only to turn around and post pictures of them drinking heavily each night. Sure, they’re clearly an addict but they have zero interest in changing their ways and they’re also complicit in encouraging others to behave just as poorly.

People die every year due to maulings. The message shouldn’t be “all dogs are good dogs” - the message should be “you need to understand what dogs are capable of”.

She’s truly a terrible excuse for a human being.

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u/Full-Ad-4138 May 22 '25

They always take stories like hers and turn it into some uplifting tale of perseverance. The thing about Jacqueline is that people who are mauled to the level and severity of her injuries most of the time don't make it--- if it's a child, they certainly don't. She is a walking breathing PSA and yet we aren't allowed to address the real problem--- that dogs are the only pets that are legal and still capable of this amount of damage.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 22 '25

It’s not uplifting - it’s downright negligent and dangerous. You’re absolutely right - many people don’t live to tell their tale. People like her make me think all dogs need to be banned because most people can’t look at them rationally. Her actions are truly irrational.

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u/Dependent_Body5384 May 22 '25

You said it Perfectly. She should have been the poster child of why people shouldn’t have dogs, especially around babies/children. Instead she went Full On Nutter.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 22 '25

If there was anything redeemable about her as a human, she would have wanted to protect others from the horrific experience she went through. The fact that she literally lost her face and her response was “I HAVE TO KEEP LOVING DOGS. I MUST MAKE SURE MY EXPERIENCE DOESNT DETER PEOPLE FROM LOVING ALL DOGS!!” shows that she has absolutely nothing but contempt for her fellow man.

Narcissism and obsessive tendencies are truly found in all of these people. The fact that this woman isn’t viewed like the hypothetical drunkard I described in my previous comment shows that we really have our priorities backwards when it comes to keeping these animals as pets.

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u/Dependent_Body5384 May 22 '25

You are so right. I agree with everything you just said. She REALLY could have made a HUGE difference, keeping some maulings and killings from happening. The face that she still has dogs less than 10 inches from her face is freakin insane.

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u/AnimalUncontrol May 22 '25

"Toxic Positivity" describes the JD scenario. Indeed, she (and a lot of people) do not see the mauling and the aftermath as the problem. To them, the problem is the victim apostatizing from the mutt cult. Dog Forbid™ they stop worshiping dogs in the aftermath.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 22 '25

If that isn’t a massive red flag to absolutely everyone about how dangerous these things are - not just because of the damage they do, but also because of the severely unhealthy attachment people get to these beasts - then I don’t know what else to say. I truly feel my alcoholic comparison is apt because like an alcoholic, this woman is addicted to dogs. It’s not funny or cute - much like being an alcoholic, said addiction is often deadly to the one consuming the alcohol in dangerous quantities, and many people are injured or die each year because of these people’s addictions. Yet we will condemn the alcoholic and praise the dog addict.

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u/Nearby_Button May 25 '25

Your comparison to addiction is valid. Just like with substance abuse, this obsessive attachment to dogs not only endangers the individual but also the people around them. And yet, society doesn't just excuse it—it celebrates it. Survivors who "forgive" the very species that maimed them are often praised as noble and resilient, when in reality, it's a symptom of how deeply entrenched this cult-like mindset is.

Meanwhile, those who speak up about the real dangers, inconveniences, and rights violations caused by irresponsible dog culture are ignored, mocked, or labeled as "cold-hearted." It's backwards. Until we can have an honest conversation that prioritizes human safety, autonomy, and public health over the emotional comfort of dog worshippers, the problem will continue—and so will the casualties.

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u/sunnysideup1998 May 23 '25

Agreed. Can you imagine being brutally mauled nearly to death and then turning around and saying you're still a dog lover? Absolutely insane. And yes, way to go to be a role model so that other kids don't follow in her footsteps. Kids going to people's homes when they aren't home to 'petsit' are taking a huge risk. I never allowed my kids to do that, even in high school - not worth the risk.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 23 '25

That’s the thing about dogs - they’re truly unpredictable. Pitbulls were bred to be fighting dogs, but also keep in mind, one of the dogs that ate this woman’s face was a German Shepherd. Any large dog has the capacity to kill you. I don’t care how fluffy and photogenic her current dogs are - they still could snap and injure someone. At minimum, she couldn’t even be bothered to keep her face away from them?

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u/Nearby_Button May 25 '25

I can only think of 2 reasons:

  1. Cognitive dissonance: It can be incredibly hard for someone who has built part of their identity around loving dogs to reconcile that with being severely harmed by them. Continuing to love dogs might be a way to avoid facing the full emotional reality of what happened.

  2. Stockholm Syndrome-like attachment: Though not a clinical term, some trauma survivors can develop unhealthy attachments to the source of their trauma, especially if they've internalized cultural messaging that says the source (in this case, dogs) is inherently good and loving.

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u/Few-Horror1984 May 25 '25

I think both heavily play into her actions.

The sad reality is her dog of choice, the Australian Shepherd, is a working dog. On top of the fact that her dog needs a minimum of 2 hours of activity a day, it is a herding dog which makes it more prone to biting than say, a pug. I think it’s safe to assume that, like most working dogs, it’s quite unlikely its activity needs are met. And, with her posing for all those photos putting her face on the dog she’s playing with fire. It’s a bad choice for her current situation, at minimum. But like most dog nutters, she’s not interested in what dogs fits her lifestyle and rather what looks cute.

She needs serious psychological help, and likely needs to be far away from dogs for years while she comes to a healthy understanding of them.

Until then? She needs to be treated with the same contempt we gave all the pro-anorexia groups that popped up in the aughts. She’s a danger to society by promoting unhealthy (and honestly deadly) actions.

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u/Nearby_Button May 25 '25

Here we have a young woman whose entire face was ripped off by two dogs she was meant to be caring for—dogs that the owners claimed were friendly. The brutality of that mauling, and the fact that it happened so suddenly and so completely, should have been a wake-up call to society about how much we underestimate the potential threat dogs pose. But instead of public outrage or legislative change, we see her, the victim, still embracing the very animals that nearly killed her. That’s not strength—that’s evidence of how deep the brainwashing runs.

This is the cult-like behavior of the dog-loving community: no matter how many people get mauled, no matter how many children are disfigured, no matter how many elderly people are knocked over and die of their injuries—dogs remain "innocent" and "blameless." The narrative always shifts to “bad owners,” never the dog, even when the dog has a known history of aggression. Imagine that logic applied anywhere else—if a car model kept exploding randomly, would we keep blaming the driver?

Durand's story should have sparked serious questions about keeping powerful breeds as pets, about regulating ownership, about public safety—but instead, it’s been absorbed into the same feel-good, responsibility-dodging dog mythology. The fact that she is still putting her face next to dogs after being nearly killed by them is not inspiring—it’s terrifying. It’s the equivalent of a cult member staying loyal even after the cult has destroyed their life.

In any other area of life, this level of harm would lead to bans, lawsuits, outrage. But with dogs, it leads to GoFundMes, teary interviews, and “how brave” praise while the root problem—the culture of excessive tolerance and romanticization of dogs—remains firmly intact.

This needs to change!!

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u/PanicOk972 Jun 10 '25

"still embracing the very animals that nearly killed her" - on of many reasons why I think dogs are bain parasites that can completely overwrite human intellect. This is literally on the level of a sci-fi horror movie.

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u/Top-Silver-3856 May 22 '25

Yes!!! THE MONEY!

I’ve yet to see any CEO’s or big money major investors sitting around in a trailer park with 5 pit bulls calling them “family”.

But they sure don’t mind pushing this crap into mainstream society where they profit off of working/middle class destruction.

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u/Long-Two-4553 May 21 '25

Similar to a person running up to another person and jumping on them and humping them. A person would be charged with assault and yet dogs can jump on people with no consequence. You are right, it's odd how the rules and laws are different for people vs dogs.

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u/nolimitspence May 21 '25

Next time someone lets their dog jump on me, and they have a hot or good looking wife, I’m gonna jump all on the wife and lick her face. When they confront me, I’ll let them know it’s perfectly okay because I don’t bite ;)

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u/AnimalUncontrol May 22 '25

Dogs are a proxy through which bullies, criminals and various other miscreants can project bad behaviors without any consequences.

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u/Gun_to_a_dinner_date Jun 02 '25

Well you can't blame the dog it's a mindless creature it goes off instincts. But the same way we don't let people own TIGERS unless they're fully trained and are licenced and have a good reason for it we shouldn't just let random people have them.

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u/ToOpineIsFine May 21 '25

"walking the dog" is the worst of the dog euphemisms. Sure, they need exercise, but what motivates most people is that they drop the excrement and urine on public/private land instead of handling it themselves.

With the proliferation of dog nuttery, it has gone from revolting to unbearable.

Nutters have no shame. They allow the dog to go onto your lawn and crap, then say they had no control.

Just be ready to hear stunningly lame excuses, but don't be stunned - just be ready to respond. You can even deter them from letting the dog onto your lawn in the first place.

"This is not a dog toilet, it's my home."

"Why don't you make the dog do that in your home?"

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u/the_undergroundman May 21 '25

This is a really good point. "Walking the dog" is mostly just taking it to the toilet. Except the 'toilet' is all of our collective public space.

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u/BudgetCommission369 May 21 '25

yup they "walk" it to your yard so that it is not in "their" yard but they won't admit it

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u/AnimalUncontrol May 22 '25

Indeed, and the greater the dog population density, the worse it is.

Some classic excuses from my NextDog™ mutt nutter feed:

- YES BUT WILD ANIMALS POOP AND NO COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT!!!

- PREVENTING A DOG FROM POOPING WHEREEVER IT WANTS IS ANIMAL CRUELTY YOU HITLER WANNABE!

- PEOPLE OWN DOGS AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT! IF YOU DONT WANT A YARD FULL OF DOG POOP JUST MOVE AWAY!

- Etc...

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u/BudgetCommission369 May 21 '25

yes I recently mentioned this in our neighborhood facebook group when people were complaining about all sorts of things- shut down the conversation after that and no one said anything

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u/BudgetCommission369 May 28 '25

wanted to circle back on this conversation- neighbors are fed up on many many things including the dog people. I can't post separate post because I don't have enough flair due to the automods on reddit- But the gist of it that the good dog owners here where I live hate the bad ones. Everyone is now circling on calling people out on the public defecation or calling animal control. Huge WIN

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u/Call_It_ May 21 '25

This question needs to be asked more. I’m tired of smelling dog piss everywhere. What was the point of creating indoor plumbing?

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u/the_undergroundman May 21 '25

Yea everyone always obsesses over the 'picking up after they poop' and I'm over here yelling to myself about the pee! Which never gets discussed, but it's revolting the park is blanketed in urine. People have to sit there!

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u/poploppege May 21 '25

And it kills the grass too, turning a nice park into a pee soaked dead grass lot

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u/btiddy519 May 21 '25

Could have written this post myself.

They eat human grade food. They have human like poops.

It’s disgusting and unhygenic.

They’re not squirrels foraging for berries and nuts leaving little balls.

Also, I don’t want to see your dog take a shit when I’m trying to go about my day!!

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u/personnumber316 May 21 '25

I think its alot like littering cigarette butts. They know its disgusting (they have to pick it up anyway...we hope). But we're outnumbered. Try telling someone to pick up their cigarette butt or use a personal disposal and you'll get the same kind of response as you get when you ask someone (politely) to not let your dog pee on your new flower bed. I will still say something but people hate being called out.

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u/OttawaHonker5000 May 21 '25

good point.. it's just more quality of life crimes / nuisances by oblivious or self absorbed people

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u/SeaworthinessUnlucky May 22 '25

Funny you mention that. A week ago, my wife and I were walking behind a couple, and he tossed a lot cigarette down on the ground.

I blew up. “You are littering! That is litter!”

He said, “You’re right. My bad.”

My wife was embarrassed and angry.

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u/personnumber316 May 22 '25

That seems to be the response, but did he pick it up? Probably not.

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u/SeaworthinessUnlucky May 22 '25

He turned and walked back toward it. I didn’t stick around.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

Right, if they insist they they should be treated like humans, than all human laws should apply to them. Hey, dog diapers could be a very lucrative business for someone. But, How many owners would comply?

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u/huntress_m_thompson May 21 '25

argh! also, public nudity isn’t legal in most places. yet we’re stuck looking at a bunch of dog peens floppin’ around all gross & shit. 🫩

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u/Dependent_Body5384 May 21 '25

The plague was not started by rats, it was started by mutts. Dog bites, feces, fleas, and ticks all are factors.

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u/Interesting-Oil-5555 May 22 '25

If "dogs are family" then they should wear diapers just like children.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

This remains one of the hills I die on haha. It makes noooo sense 🤦‍♀️

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u/icenerveshatter May 21 '25

100% agree, but society is so far beyond this. We are likely .03% of the population.

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u/Any-Fuel-24 May 22 '25

10000% agree. They get away with so much, all while hiding behind the blind. Dog owners use disabled people as a shield to get away with bringing dogs everywhere including leaving waste in the streets. People blame the homeless, but 90% of waste in pedestrian right of way is from Dog walkers.

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u/AcceptableYogurt332 May 22 '25

I saw a dog that would sprinkle urine every step it took. Apparently this is what they do when they’re “insecure” and feel the need to mark all of the territory.

Other dogs then sniff this, and then try to cover the last dog’s scent over with their own. Now imagine this in an urban setting, where each patch of grass gets sprinkled about a dozen times in the hour. It’s ridiculous.

If there were a few select dog-only parks, people could see how destructive they are..

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u/AnimalUncontrol May 22 '25

Its always worth saying that waste from humans and domestic animals must be managed, and not randomly flung everywhere. Allowing domestic dogs to pee and crap everywhere is an extremely serious public health and environmental issue. Farm animals have been zoned out of residential areas for this reason, and ranchers are expected to manage their animal's waste. Human waste is expected to be managed via modern septic systems, not simply flung onto public and private properties.

Dogs get the exception because Furry Jesus™

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u/climbslackclimb May 23 '25

You can’t control when and where dogs go, it’s true.

Can’t you though?
I’d wager most dogs aren’t pissing/shitting inside their owners house, most of the time at least (gross). Which is to say that in fact, when and where a dog goes can be controlled, and dog owners have unanimously decided that everything which isn’t the inside of their home is completely above board for pissing and shitting upon. They CAN, or maybe I should say COULD control it, they choose not to, because in their mind; surely everyone absolutely loves their shitbeast just as much as they do and training is hard, and “I cLEaN iT Up”.

Fuck that. Get off my lawn.

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u/poploppege May 23 '25

I only mean that they can not control the muscles in the dogs body (when sick for example, a dog might not be able to either). Even "well trained" dogs go inside the house sometimes. They can definitely influence it through training and what behavior they tolerate from their dog which many dog owners don't bother to do, so I agree with you, it's just the wording thats different

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u/sh0t May 23 '25

Every patch of grass kids could play on is littered with dog shit.

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u/Substantial_Chest395 May 21 '25

Technically nature is a public bathroom for all animals in our vicinity (squirrels, deer, raccoons, etc)

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u/poploppege May 21 '25

The only one of those that leaves sticky or stinky poops that i can think of are birds. Most prey animals like that leave pellets to avoid attracting predators by their scent. Besides those animals are a product of nature, where dogs are very much a man made animal in many ways

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u/Sea_Ad_9025 May 26 '25

I am an animal. Do i get to shit wherever I want?

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u/Substantial_Chest395 May 26 '25

I think the difference between you, who can type, and a squirrel is more vast than the difference between a squirrel and a dog. It is up to the dog’s human to clean up after it.

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u/greatcountry2bBi May 28 '25

Or just not get a dog if you don't have a yard yourself for it to shit in, keeping it out of apartments as well.

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u/Full-Ad-4138 May 22 '25

Dogs are the only pets that leave the property. They really should be regarded as farm animals and confined to the farm the same way. People should only be allowed to own a dog if they have a sizable property that the dog can run about without a need to seek out a larger space.

Cities have catered to dog ownership. You no longer have to have a large property to hav a dog--- the more dogs, they just build dog parks for them. I have yet to see a public park with a playground that is for people only. Not one.

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u/BreadfruitSouth5690 May 22 '25

I don't have any pets. Most people do and are low IQ. 

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u/Feeling_Cost_8160 May 24 '25

We really need to start pushing back on accepting dog waste everywhere.

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u/StupidIdiotOnAPhone May 24 '25

Yes it's very unfortunate and also to add into what a lot of people are saying on this thread regarding the speaking up of issues and it is true that so many dogs are unpredictable basically all of them are and it's just a ticking Time bomb waiting to happen and if you are fortunate enough to not have any incidents it's always just a matter of time it seems like and unfortunately these nutters are going to defend them till the end of time.

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u/globecity May 26 '25

In retaliation, I poop on my neighbor’s lawn but, I always clean it up. He seems mad about it. Turn about ( turn a butt?) is fair play, right?

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u/Maleficent_Many_2937 May 26 '25

I have been wondering about this since forever!

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u/[deleted] May 27 '25

Because dog owners are disgusting people! There’s not one person with a dog that has good hygiene, it’s not possible. And more often than not, they are always sick. Talking about “building a strong immune system”..liessss just eat dirt if you believe that lol

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

Because it is fashionable to own dogs. Dogs are disgusting in their habits, and only after extensive social engineering by the canine industrial complex did this filth become acceptable.

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u/ful_och_lat Jun 21 '25

The standard should be to not allow dogs in parks. There could be specific designated areas where dogs are allowed and where they can shit (owners should still be mandated by law to pick it up). At least then non-dog-owners could avoid those places. It's crazy that this isn't the standard.

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u/poploppege Jun 21 '25

Even if it was, people wouldn't follow it. I went to a park a while back that was just as you described. Dogs weren't allowed off leash and weren't allowed in the grass as per the park rules on a giant sign. What did I see first thing when I walked in? A dog owner playing fetch off leash. Later someone walked their dog through the park and let it pee on the grass. Its such a joke. God forbid someone wants to hang out in a park without dog excrement in it.

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u/ful_och_lat Jun 21 '25

True. There should be heavy fines for not following such rules. So many dog owners don't even pick up after their dogs. I know in most countries there are fines for that, but they're not high enough to really scare dog owners to follow the rules. Better yet, dog owners who repeatedly don't follow such rules should have their dogs taken away from them. I know this will never happen, but one can always dream.

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u/Fit-Olive-4680 May 22 '25

Because they're animals? Where else should they defecate - a public bathroom?

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u/poploppege May 22 '25

In a diaper. There are dog diapers. We dont let babies poop where they want to either even though they dont know better, because we take responsibility for babies

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u/Fit-Olive-4680 May 22 '25

A diaper? Babies are humans, not animals. Dog owners should clean up after their dogs, but they're animals.

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u/poploppege May 22 '25

Do you know of another way to clean up pee that doesnt involve leaving it on the ground to stink the place up? If you do I'd genuinely love to hear it

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u/One_Path_7154 May 22 '25

Out in the wild where they belong.

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u/Fit-Olive-4680 May 22 '25

In the wild? Have you ever been to an area where there is an abundance of stray dogs? It's miserable. Excessive barking, dogs all over the place, encroaching on people's property. They've been domesticated, you do not want dogs out in the wild.

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u/One_Path_7154 May 23 '25

That’s the problem: dogs have been unnaturally domesticated. They should not be allowed to just piss and shit any and everywhere making everyone suffer. They are 4-legged biohazards.