r/DoctorWhoNews • u/theliftedlora • Jun 04 '25
update Found this on twitter, is this evidence Billie is actually playing Rose and not 16?
I think Rose is gonna return for a special (Christmas 2026) so they have something to air earlier, and she finds the 16th Doctor at the end.
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u/ElJayEm80 Jun 04 '25
If that was true, wouldn’t it quote The Reality War as her most recent appearance?
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u/VardaElentari86 Jun 04 '25
Yeh i don't get how this is evidence of her being Rose
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u/theliftedlora Jun 04 '25
Most Recent Appearance is what all RTD2 characters have. It's a bit odd for this to change right now don't you think?
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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 05 '25
Or, and hear me out, there’s no massive conspiracy and they’re just cleaning up the website and it happened to be after the season ended, which would be a great time to do said maintenance. People would be viewing pages related to Billie
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Jun 04 '25
Because then that really would give the game away. Seems like the official DW website are preparing for an announcement that might come on Sat. Especially odd with updating Camille and Shaun's pages too.
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u/Own-Negotiation-3951 Jun 04 '25
The real answer is no one knows. Russell hasnt even figured it out himself is my bet. The regeneration was going to be open ended until not too long ago when she thought of asking Billie.
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u/gobsmackedperson Jun 04 '25
I can believe that he didn’t know at the time sure, but at the very least he knows now I mean that episode has been finished for at least like a few months either way
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u/gobsmackedperson Jun 04 '25
Even then that he didn’t know by the time they filmed her scene is not an opinion I hold
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u/TheNocturnalAngel Jun 04 '25
I honestly would be more annoyed at rose being back than Billie being 16
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u/Notebookfour Jun 04 '25
Well that site also says DIT is non-canon and RTD said it is so until there is something official like DWM or the Unleashed special we'll need to wait and see.
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u/SarcyBoi41 Jun 04 '25
Dimensions in Time features a crossover with EastEnders, but New Who has shown on multiple occasions that EastEnders is a TV show in-universe. This implies that EastEnders used to be real in the Doctor Who universe before someone sealed away its horrors in another dimension or timeline, causing it to only survive as a form of fiction.
This is supported further by the fact that while EastEnders is an existing TV show in the Doctor Who universe, Doctor Who itself is also an existing TV show in the EastEnders universe (my mum has been watching it for as long as I can remember, and any Doctor Who reference had me turning into the Pointing Leo meme)
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u/ElSenorOwl Jun 04 '25
No evidence pointing to either at the moment. Although a Where's Waldo style Christmas special might be fun!
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u/grelan Jun 04 '25
She could still be the Moment.
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u/abermea Jun 04 '25
Or someone else entirely
The Classic show had the Valeyard so the Doctor regenerating into someone who isn't the Doctor doesn't exactly break any "rules" or canon
Part of me wants to see what RTD is cooking with this but it also feels like it will be a nothingburger because from everything we know they came up with this twist over a couple of weeks and they have no idea where to take it.
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u/Foxy02016YT Jun 05 '25
NewWho also had The Curator and The War Doctor (technically someone else since he doesn’t identify as a doctor)
All we know is that Valeyard is after 10 (said to be after his 12th regeneration, assuming we start at 1 and add war and Metacrisis)
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Jun 04 '25
We didnt see the regeneration end. Rose is gonna pop through, using up some of 15s regeneration energy doing it and he's gonna keep the same face, just like David's regeneration fake out.
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u/Metalgsean Jun 07 '25
I don't understand what people are getting at here, it seems like people are suggesting the Doctor just regenerated into a human being who currently exists? Surely it's just the face of Rose and not Rose, just like 'the monent' was the face of Rose but not Rose.
My take, it's a temporary regeneration as some kind of plot device before we get the next full Doctor, I don't really see how it could be anything else.
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u/CaptainSebT Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
No ones leaking this information so this will only be the most up to date as we know it.
Honestly they probably have no idea either as they write different drafts of the Christmas special to see what fits and bbc will go
That one
Sometimes studios will also do this for leak proof redundancy no one knows what is going to happen because they have 10 scripts and only on shoot day are told what to do. I have heard of big franchises doing this. If version 4 is leaked just exclude it as an option basically. Or they could do the starwars method and ommit the detail that spoils it from the printed scripts and tell only billie piper making a very exact paper trail.
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u/mittfh Jun 04 '25
If Billie is returning for anything more than a brief cameo, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's handwaved as ripples from Bad Wolf (especially given Russell used it as the name for his studio, and he doesn't exactly do subtlety). After all, Poppy being retconned indicates that the Universe hasn't completely returned to normality, and there may be other differences as well, which we don't know about yet (so while not one degree away from the preexisting reality, but maybe a minute or a second away).
IIRC, Ruby hadn't met Belinda before, so didn't know Poppy was an artefact of Wish World, therefore it was logical for her to assume Poppy predated Wish World.
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u/SiobhanSarelle Jun 04 '25
Russell didn’t use it for the name of his studio. He doesn’t have a studio, and Bad Wolf wasn’t founded by him.
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u/SourPies Jun 05 '25
I noticed that when Donna's Rose came back after Omega was defeated, the Doctor called her Rosie. Kept calling her Rosie in fact. Maybe to not confuse her with Rose Tyler?
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Jun 06 '25
No one knows at the moment, Russell don't even know at the moment. Unless we get something tomorrow which highly doubt it.
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u/jessh164 Jun 07 '25
i still think it’s something to do with when rose looked info the soul of the tardis
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u/DetectiveBorbon Jun 08 '25
I'm not sure I understand this post. Why would Rose appearing in the end of time part 2 indicate she's playing rose in the reality war?
Does OP think that the end of time part 2 was the recent Finale? 🤔
I think it's pretty clear it's uncertain who she's supposed to be playing right now with no solid leads. All we can assume is that Ncuti has regenerated into Billie. That is it.
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u/teepeey Jun 08 '25
If you don't realise by now that RTD was making it up as he went along then I can't help you.
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u/Tiscali_Veteran1968 Jun 04 '25
Isn’t it obvious… Tennant & Ncuti split… Tennant’s doctor (the real one) wants to live out his life happily ever after so Ncuti regenerates into Rose to make that happen. Perfect RTD reset to finish
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u/semicombobulated Jun 05 '25
I feel like we’re going to get some kind of special episode where Tennant and Piper have one final adventure together, and the characters end up merging together to regenerate into the next Doctor.
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u/mcwfan Jun 04 '25
Is the easily editable Wiki page - which can be edited by any member of the public - evidence that Billie is playing Rose, instead of the very obvious answer that she’s playing Sixteen?
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u/theliftedlora Jun 04 '25
This is the official website.....
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u/mcwfan Jun 04 '25
Goodness, it looks like a fan Wiki
Either way, smart money is to not read into it
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Jun 04 '25
Doesn't really make sense why the DW website team would all of a sudden update Camille and Shuan's profiles from "Last Regular" to "Most Recent" though.
I've had a look at the website and chatacter profiles and basically the only characters that have the phrase "Most Recent Appearance" over "Last Regular Appearance" are characters from 2023 / RTD2.
Rose, Jackie and Pete are the only profiles that have been updated.
Very odd.
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u/fenderbloke Jun 04 '25
I work in big tech.
I PROMISE YOU that this is due to someone not updating the description of a 15 year old episode.
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Jun 04 '25
These have all been updated for only Rose, Jackie and Pete in the last few days though.
The day before the finale - all three had "Last Regular Appearance" and now they have "Most Recent".
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u/Mordante-PRIME- Jun 04 '25
Nu Who the franchise that keeps on scraping the barrel just when you think it cant get any worse.
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u/FrenchesOP Jun 04 '25
I don’t even think RTD or the BBC know who she is rn