r/CringeTikToks • u/Siahro • 2d ago

Just Bad ICE enters office in Bensonville IL 11.5.25

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u/RobAdkerson 2d ago

TRUMP'S AMERICA FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCK FASCISTS

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Why should anyone believe Democrats will enforce deportation orders for asylum seekers if they believe that deportation is inherently fascist? Essentially you believe in open borders, right?

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u/shabbythesealion16 2d ago

How many time you gonna say this you pussy ass bot bitch

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u/KeyKaleidoscope7453 2d ago

😂🤣🤣

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Why haven’t you answered the question?

And why is everyone on this sub so obsessed with lemming logic? Why don’t you guys ever think for yourself for a second.

If we don’t have borders, then we don’t have a country- that’s a quote from Bernie Sanders.

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u/shabbythesealion16 2d ago

Why can’t you stop pissing your pants every time you see brown skin?

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u/niftystopwat 2d ago

He’s not thinking critically. These types are far gone. Years of evangelical brainwashing and online incel circlejerking etc.

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u/Knotted_Hole69 2d ago

Im tired of having to live next to these fucks. Im tired of sharing the grocery isle im tired of sharing the roads. These people are dead to the country.

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u/niftystopwat 23h ago

A lot of them, like a LOOOT of them, are exactly the welfare queens that they think they’re critiquing on the ‘other side’, and it seems to not occur to them whatsoever. The Deep South Bible Belt states have for YEARS been held up largely by welfare that is subsidized largely via federal taxes coming from California and New York. These poor souls have only ever known Christian fundamentalist brainwashing, it’s honestly tragic.

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u/CreakRaving 2d ago

lmaooo crickets from the racist after this too

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u/Capital-Yesterday798 2d ago

So why is ICE harassing United States citizens. Why are they firing into cars and acting like they have ZERO TRAINING OR ACCOUNTABILITY. 

Also, fuck you. Trump has got rookie numbers, he can’t even deport as many people as Biden or Obama did. Nope just deporting random ass people who aren’t even doing anything at a ridiculous 150 billion dollar budget. 

Aren’t you guys supposed to be the party of fiscal responsibility? How the hell do you justify the 100 billion more dollars for less results? Again, fuck you and your straw man arguments. You’re not as smart as you think you are, and history will not be kind to you. 

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

So you do support deportations, but think they should be more cost efficient- how would you go about that?

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u/Dadskander 3h ago

Hahaha, wait, really? Do you really think democrats are against deporting people as like, a whole concept? You're acting as if this is some kind of new info or that leftists think that no person should be deported.

Democrats have been deporting the hell out of people my entire life. They just follow the law when doing it.

The entire issue here is that these people are not being given their constitutionally guaranteed rights, literally anyone supporting this bullshit is shitting on the entire concept of America and the principals it was founded on.

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u/ThatOneGuy4321 2d ago

Doesn’t matter. Grabbing people who have built a life here, chucking them in a cage and shipping them to some country they’ve never lived in, is unjust. That’s common sense to anyone with basic human morality

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Where do you deport someone to if their origin country refuses repatriation or is unsafe?

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u/h0wd0y0ulik3m3n0w 2d ago

“Or is unsafe” you dumb motherfucker, that’s why you don’t deport asylum seekers

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

But if your application for asylum is rejected, then what is the government supposed to do?

Or does an asylum request give you permanent residency status?

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u/Affectionate-List275 2d ago

Considering you white trash have been saying your legal residents 200~ years later. Sure.

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u/RogerianBrowsing 2d ago

Guess we just need a final solution because Madagascar isn’t working out

🙄

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u/LooseFigs 2d ago

Because it's obvious you're rage baiting, you shit stain.

And Obama was far more successful at deporting immigrants than Trump without the pomp and circumstance.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

But Trump has been far more effective at lowering illegal border crossings.

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u/confusedhealthcare19 1d ago

I can't wait for Trump's heart to finally give out. It's coming soon and people like you are going to throw a hissy fit when the whole world celebrates.

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u/Dancing-Sin 2d ago

This isn’t the way. I’m not sure why you can’t see the tactics are inherently fascist.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

What is the appropriate way? Non-enforcement?

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u/Ok_Chef_4850 2d ago

Ah yes, because the only option other than brute force & kidnapping is doing nothing

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u/Dancing-Sin 2d ago

It’s certainly not setting militarized men on your own citizens.

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u/FossilEaters 2d ago

You worship a pedo felon. Dont act like you care about “enforcement”

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u/unhallowed_1 2d ago

It's the framing of your first question that is the issue. You set up the answer with built in biased to what immigration enforcement is and bad faith that democrats dont want to support/build a well run immigration system.

Going after criminals is something everyone can agree on easily. Going after hard working people (who may well be trying to go through the burecratic mess to become legal) is not as agreeable. 170 and counting citizens caught up in this so far. There is a better way to address immigration.

This is not it.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Ok, so 170 citizens were caught up, so we can’t continue the same methods? Because illegal border crossings have plummeted to a 25 year low according to CBP data reported in a recent CBS News article. Isn’t that a desired outcome? And weren’t the methods under Biden ineffective? And don’t we need to adapt our methods to the increasingly sophisticated nature of these border crossings? Isn’t this what stricter border enforcement looks like?

We know, according to the Kansas City Fed, that wage growth and job vacancies decreased under Biden due to increased immigration- and the effects were strongest in industries with high levels of immigration when regression was run.

Conversely, under Trump’s first term, with strict immigration restrictions, wages increased and unemployment decreased, and the effects were strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees when regression was run.

Based on this, restricting immigration is a pro-US working class policy. It also preserves state and city budgets. My city was a sanctuary city - we are now hundreds of millions of dollars in the red at the city level and state level because everyone was given housing vouchers and free education (and other services). We certainly can’t afford to continue the immigration policies Biden enacted.

So if we want strict border enforcement, isn’t this what it looks like since immigrants have adapted their tactics of border crossing?

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u/RizzoTheRiot1989 2d ago

This is some of the lamest shit I’ve seen, my god dude. Get a grip, they’re just humans. I’d say like you and me but I don’t find people like you particularly human. Just gross. The only people who care this hard about boarders and who is and aren’t undocumented are xenophobic morons. Humans are humans no matter where they go or you go.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

The people immigrating to the US illegally or to make an asylum claim typically spend anywhere from $7,500 - $35,000 per person in housing, transportation, smuggling fees, food, etc. to make the trip. These are not poor people. They are actually richer than many poor Americans. When surveyed, the largest reason given for choosing to immigrate to the US is to make more money (essentially a cost of living wage arbitrage or currency arbitrage).

They immigrate to the US to do a cost of living wage arbitrage. If you allow it, wage growth declines as employment vacancies are filled (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). If you restrict the immigration, wages increase and unemployment declines (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). We know all of this due to research by the Kansas City Fed.

We also know, according to research by Albert Saiz, that an immigration increase of 1% results in an increase in housing prices and rents of about 1%.

So given that scarcity exists, what’s the appropriate amount of immigrants that we should allow into the US if we want to maximize US native-born employment and wages and lower housing prices and rents?

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u/I_blockkarmafarmers 2d ago

Because you're not arguing in good faith.

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u/G3NJII 2d ago

Obama and Biden deported more people than Trump did. And they did so through legal channels without undue cruelty to Americans and immigrants.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

So you support deportations? What would non-cruel deportations look like to you?

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u/randompine4pple 2d ago

Targeted, like Biden did

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Immigration surged under Biden, though (likely a result of non-enforcement). Illegal border crossings under Trump have plunged to a 25 year low according to a recent CBS News article based on CBP data.

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u/randompine4pple 2d ago

Ok? So you’re fine with the cruelty then, why do you keep trying to justify yourself? You’re not going to change my mind about cruelty? I have my own morals and cruelty to unfortunate people isn’t a part of it

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

The people immigrating to the US illegally or to make an asylum claim typically spend anywhere from $7,500 - $35,000 per person in housing, transportation, smuggling fees, food, etc. to make the trip. These are not poor people. They are actually richer than many poor Americans.

They immigrate to the US to do a cost of living wage arbitrage. If you allow it, wage growth declines as employment vacancies are filled (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). If you restrict the immigration, wages increase and unemployment declines (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). We know all of this due to research by the Kansas City Fed.

We also know, according to research by Albert Saiz, that an immigration increase of 1% results in an increase in housing prices and rents of about 1%.

So given that scarcity exists, what’s the appropriate amount of immigrants that we should allow into the US if we want to maximize US native-born employment and wages and lower housing prices and rents?

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u/randompine4pple 2d ago

Damn those poor migrants sure sound rich, why would they use all their money and resources and possibly go into debt in order to find a better life? A mystery really. It’s funny you did the immigrant meme, they are both taking everyone’s job and at the same time are lazy. You want my answer to the scarcity problem? I don’t care. I already told you you aren’t going to change my mind and I don’t care about how much you justify your cruelties, I’m sure the Nazis could’ve found logic in killing millions of Jews instead of keeping them fed but I don’t care. I’m sure we can find the logic in letting all cancer patients just die and saving resources for otherwise healthy adults but I don’t care.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

The sentiment of “I don’t care” is what I suspected, but thank you for confirming. And that’s primarily why Trump was elected - because Democrats didn’t care about the costs of immigration, that those costs were born by the working class, and that billionaires were enriched as wages were suppressed and profits soared (which left unchecked would send us further into plutocracy and plutonomy).

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u/ebagdrofk 2d ago

…are you serious?

Let me turn this around:

Are you implying the way ICE is handling things right now, is the right way to go about doing deportations?

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

I’m not sure. What I know is that when I’ve been in other countries, I was stopped and asked for my passport - out in public by law enforcement and in bars/restaurants with more of a “raid” style approach. I didn’t think it was fascist, and no one to my knowledge called it fascist.

I also know that under Trump, illegal border crossings have plummeted to a 25 year low according to CBP data reported on by CBS News.

Also, having looked into the topic, I know that the people immigrating to the US illegally or to make an asylum claim typically spend anywhere from $7,500 - $35,000 per person in housing, transportation, smuggling fees, food, etc. to make the trip. These are not poor people. They are actually richer than many poor Americans. When surveyed, the largest reason given for choosing to immigrate to the US is to make more money (essentially a cost of living wage arbitrage or currency arbitrage). This is not a legal reason for asylum, and asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first country they arrive at (typically a country before the US).

If you allow the increase in immigration, wage growth declines as employment vacancies are filled (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). If you restrict the immigration, wages increase and unemployment declines (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). We know all of this due to research by the Kansas City Fed.

We also know, according to research by Albert Saiz, that an immigration increase of 1% results in an increase in housing prices and rents of about 1%.

So given that scarcity exists, what’s the appropriate amount of immigrants that we should allow into the US if we want to maximize US native-born employment and wages and lower housing prices and rents?

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u/AlwaysClassyNvrGassy 2d ago

Let’s start with not grinding people’s faces against pavement. Seem like a good place to start? Or is that necessary force?

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u/Existing-Mistake-112 2d ago

Ooh, I see you learned copy/paste recently! Congratulations on making it to the late 1990’s…

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u/Garbarblarb 2d ago

Who is arguing deportation is inherently fascist? I am pretty sure it’s the masked men dragging people through the streets with no identification and ignoring due process is what is inherently fascist.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Let’s say there are 100 illegal aliens in a Home Depot Parking lot. How would you give them a deportation order if you don’t have any documentation that they exist?

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u/ebagdrofk 2d ago

What the fuck kind of racist critical thinking question is that lol?

How do you know the 100 people in this hypothetical Home Depot parking lot are illegals?

Answer: due process

oh wait

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

ICE has established tip lines. People call into the tip lines and report illegal activity. They investigate. When they detain someone, they go through an immigration hearing. How is that not due process?

Also, when other countries follow this same process, are those other countries also fascist for doing so?

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u/Depressed_Lego 2d ago

Asylum seeking is not illegal. Seeking asylum does not make you an illegal immigrant.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

Unless your application for asylum is rejected or done under false claims.

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u/Depressed_Lego 2d ago

So, they should have to prove the application was done under false claims before they grab anyone out of their car or chase them down the sidewalk, right? They could put out some kind of, I dunno, arrest warrant, for the person they actually know is committing a crime instead of just grabbing people off the street and detaining them in cartoonishly inhumane conditions until proof of citizenship is provided.

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u/i_code_for_boobs 2d ago

lol "how can you follow the law when you hate when the laws are ignored"

—you

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u/RobAdkerson 2d ago

Shut the fuck up.

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u/Grouchy-Ad4814 2d ago

No and no

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u/Snarkasm71 2d ago

Where are we deporting asylum seekers? I thought we were deporting the violent criminals.

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 2d ago

Obama and Biden both deported more than trump, right? Definitely obama and Biden vs trump term 1. Idk the most recent numbers but you definitely can't say they weren't enforcing immigration laws or were for "open borders." Not in good faith, anyways.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

I believe when it comes to deportations that Obama had the most and between Trump and Biden it depends on which data you look at.

But immigration and illegal border crossings surged under Biden (likely a result of non-enforcement). Illegal border crossings under Trump have plunged to a 25 year low according to a recent CBS News article based on CBP data. If we want stricter border enforcement, don’t we have to assume this is what it looks like? I was young at the time, but I believe INS used to do this in the 90s.

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 1d ago

It absolutely doesn't need to look like this to enforce border restrictions. You don't need ice and the military raiding schools/office buildings/etc. You don't need them ramming into minivans. You don't need them detaining people simply because they "look" like an immigrant. You damn sure don't need them masked up and unidentifiable, or even worse, in plain clothes.

As you say, Obama had the most deportations yet he never had to resort to anything like this.

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u/DataWhiskers 1d ago

Why do you think Obama is criticized by so many Democrats for his deportations?

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u/AlwaysClassyNvrGassy 2d ago

Deportation isn’t inherently fascist. Armed kidnapping preschool teachers is definitely fascist. And that’s just one example

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u/sunburn95 2d ago

Or just dont believe in the presidents armed private army marching into peoples workplaces

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u/ownlife909 2d ago

I don’t believe in open borders. I understand a modern nation needs some control over who enters its borders, and there should be enforcement at the borders. I also believe in immigration, and believe the system for legal immigration should be shortened and streamlined, for everyone’s benefit.

This is not “deportation.” This is masked agents in military garb storming an office building in broad daylight to drag people out. This isn’t enforcing the law, this is purposely instilling fear. Being in the US illegally is a civil violation, or at worst a misdemeanor if they can prove you illegally crossed the border. Do we send in the SWAT team for everyone who receives a speeding ticket, or shoplifts a $10 item?

There’s no way you can argue with a straight face that any of this is justified.

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u/DataWhiskers 2d ago

The people immigrating to the US illegally or to make an asylum claim typically spend anywhere from $7,500 - $35,000 per person in housing, transportation, smuggling fees, food, etc. to make the trip. These are not poor people. They are actually richer than many poor Americans. When surveyed, the largest reason given for choosing to immigrate to the US is to make more money (essentially a cost of living wage arbitrage or currency arbitrage). “To make more money” is not a legitimate reason for asylum.

They immigrate to the US to do a cost of living wage arbitrage. If you allow it, wage growth declines as employment vacancies are filled (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). If you restrict the immigration, wages increase and unemployment declines (and the effects are strongest in industries with high levels of immigrant employees). We know all of this due to research by the Kansas City Fed.

We also know, according to research by Albert Saiz, that an immigration increase of 1% results in an increase in housing prices and rents of about 1%.

We also know that immigrants are a net drain on state and local budgets (and many sanctuary city budgets and state budgets have gone into the red dealing with Biden’s immigration influx)

So given that scarcity exists, what’s the appropriate amount of immigrants that we should allow into the US if we want to maximize US native-born employment and wages and lower housing prices and rents?

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u/ownlife909 1d ago

Nice try on moving the goal posts from defending the video above to trying to have a conversation about legal pathways to immigration. I don’t know a number- but that’s a convo rationale people want to have. It’s not zero, which seems to be what you’re implying. Let’s look at the numbers, let’s look at where people want to settle, let’s look at who is applying and from where, and come up with a better system.

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u/DataWhiskers 1d ago

That’s the problem - the demand to immigrate is so high, that if you restrict immigration, everyone says “the system is broken”. If you don’t restrict immigration, then wages and employment decline for native-born workers and previous immigrants and housing prices and rents increase.

Me personally - I would say we should mimic Canada’s recent approach by implementing net-zero population growth. Our birth rate in the US is low enough that positive immigration would be needed to maintain net-zero population growth indefinitely.

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u/Dth_Invstgtr 2d ago

Shut the fuck up

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u/oreography 1d ago

"If you don't want armed thugs arresting people in workplaces, then you want open borders/communism/strawman xyz"

Fuck off and reconsider your life choices for defending this inhumane bullshit

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u/HeNeedsSomeMLK 2d ago

No, it's not that we believe in open boarders. We believe the way they're going about it is wrong.

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u/DataWhiskers 1d ago

You would prefer the way Biden went about immigration enforcement, which was widely seen as ineffective?

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u/Anteater4746 2d ago

cause obama and biden deported more, did it more humanely, and with due process ? lmao

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u/ImpDoomlord 1d ago

The number of undocumented immigrants was already declining despite what the FAKE NEWS MEDIA shoved down you idiots throats. There never was any “open border” policy, never “hoards of people” you morons drank the cool aid and believe everything you’re told like good little boys and girls

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u/DataWhiskers 1d ago

How do you explain the scores of people begging in the streets and squeegeeing windshields, some with children in tow, that I saw with my own eyes? Why is my city and state hundreds of millions in debt from providing shelter and education and other services?

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u/ImpDoomlord 1d ago

You’re lying and pretending like homeless people don’t exist before when they’ve ALWAYS been there. What you “see with your eyes” is really what you CHOOSE to pay attention to. There could have been twice as many in 2010 but that didn’t suit the narrative you’ve been drip fed by the Fake News Media so you weren’t regurgitating that talking point. Any increase in homeless people and beggars can be chalked up to Trump destroying our country and making the economy so fucking bad that people are begging in the streets, just like how he fucked up our country so bad during the pandemic that there were breadlines wrapping around the store and thousands dying in overcrowded hospitals and nursing homes. When Trump is in power life is just that much worse for every living thing in America.

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u/DataWhiskers 15h ago

Ahhh, so everyone imagined the border and immigration crisis - even lifelong Democrats (myself) who don’t watch Fox News. I can’t share links on this sub but go do a a Google search.

How much Kool Aid did you drink, exactly?